PM IN HOT WATER; The Prime Minister apologizes.

Argus · May 19, 2016

Elizabeth May is the only one who looks good coming out of this for calling it as she saw it which I think most people can agree with.

Trudeau looks like an apologetic thug, the CPC come across as their usual whiny selves, and the NDP are even worse seeking their "safe spaces" nonsense.

You think the CPC are wrong to complain about Trudeau grabbing their party whip?

Argus · May 19, 2016

I'm not talking about the appropriateness of Trudeau's actions. I'm talking about the appropriateness of the response.

What do you think inappropriate about how the conservatives have responded?

Argus · May 19, 2016

of course, lost in translation! There is June 6th deadline imposed by the SCOC to have legislation in place to support those persons seeking doctor assisted death. For their own separate designs, both the CPC and NDP have been actively stalling moving required legislation forward...

This would be the legislation a federal court has already derided for failing to respect the Supreme Court's orders?

waldo · May 19, 2016

Zomg, maybe legislation won't get finished until June 7th! The horror of an arbitrary deadline!

perhaps you should take this up in an appropriate thread; for now, I will endevour not to derail this one, but will inform you that without the required federal legislation in place, with Canadians impacted (possibly on their death beds), onus will fall on the provinces to provide required legislation to support citizens/medical practitioners of their respective provinces in seeking remedy/resolution... which then, of course, opens the process to possible complainant appeal, to possible judicial appeal to the Provincial court, the Federal court... even to the SCOC itself. Tick Tock, Tick Tock... so arbitrary!

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msj · May 19, 2016

You think the CPC are wrong to complain about Trudeau grabbing their party whip?

No.

It is wrong to dwell on it and turn a molehill into a volcano.

waldo · May 19, 2016

This would be the legislation a federal court has already derided for failing to respect the Supreme Court's orders?

no - that would be proposed... that would be the Alberta Court of Appeal... interesting choice of word though, "derided". That court has put its ruling on hold, anticipating its eventual appeal to that very SCOC. And, within that case, the federal government lawyers provided justification in terms of limitations and gaps in the current SCOC ruling... again, as you're clearly not in touch (surprise!), you should recognize that the SCOC ruling wasn't definitive; i.e., it's open to interpretation. That related SCOC ruling was also narrowly focused on the single person/case it was ruling for; i.e., open to interpretation. But thanks for highlighting the need for federal legislation to form the reference for required SCOC review/response... currently being impeded from moving forward by the Rona Conservatives and the Muclair NDP.

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overthere · May 19, 2016

Look, we have to cut Trudeau some slack. In the heat of the moment he mistook MP Brosseau for Senator Brazeau and instinctively just started swinging. I blame the Speaker for not stepping in and giving Brosseau a mandatory standing eight count. And this is 2016, there is no reason women cannot equally take a sucker punch on the floor of the House as well as any man.

Anyway, physical assaults and bullying are a tradition with Liberal PMs. Chretien did it after all.

msj · May 19, 2016

His apology was nice. Unlike the many posters here, he acknowledges that he acted inappropriately.

I do not think anyone here denies he acted inappropriately.

What is at issue is why are so many making this into a bigger issue than it should be?

Why not work on real business especially since an apology has been issued?

But no, the grinding for political points is more important.

overthere · May 19, 2016

I must say I am enjoying how Waldo is desperately trying to shift the focus of this discussion from the Prime Minister of Canada committing an assault in the House of Commons, to the trivialities of legislation delayed a few minutes.

PIK · May 19, 2016

And if it was harper the headlines would be ''Harper must resign'' But trudeau will release a pic of himself on a horse, shirtless and everything will be OK.

waldo · May 19, 2016

sorry MLW member overthere... I replied to you but somehow my post has been hidden.

waldo · May 19, 2016

I must say I am enjoying how Waldo is desperately trying to shift the focus of this discussion from the Prime Minister of Canada committing an assault in the House of Commons, to the trivialities of legislation delayed a few minutes.

here, let me try again: your "desperately" is based on... my 2 posts, one of which is a reply to an inquiring MLW member. This is your "desperation" - just how desperate are you?

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waldo · May 19, 2016

But no, the grinding for political points is more important.

I'm concerned about the vacuum left in the Sophie thread!

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overthere · May 19, 2016

^^^ encore^^^

I wish I could say Bravo! for your persistence in trying to avoid the subject, I understand you have been wounded,but..... no.

And if it was harper the headlines would be ''Harper must resign'' But trudeau will release a pic of himself on a horse, shirtless and everything will be OK.

Ah, the Putin Playbook!

waldo · May 19, 2016

^^^ encore^^^

I wish I could say Bravo! for your persistence in trying to avoid the subject, I understand you have been wounded,but..... no.

what have I avoided? I've certainly not avoided what I interpret transpired - just because it doesn't align with your partisan zeal for molehill-to-mountain transformation, you feel obligated to charge desperation... and claim I've been "wounded". Not sure how an anonymous internet persona gets wounded, but I'm sure you must know all about it!

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Topaz · May 19, 2016

NO, Harper never assaulted anyone but he only said I'm sorry for something only once. Now back to the topic, I watched a few minutes ago, the Tories and NDP standing up and talking about this and the Tories never mention their guy being held up by the NDP. So I'm beginning to think they take delight in not voting on C-14, because both, NDP and Tories are against the Bill for whatever reason BUT IF its not passed by the June 6th, I think Canadians are screwed! I, also, think that Bill C-40 is MORE important to them then dragging what happen in the House on for days and days!

Argus · May 19, 2016

no - that would be proposed... that would be the Alberta Court of Appeal... interesting choice of word though, "derided".

The court made it quite clear that the federal government's approach was wrongheaded on the issue of its requirement a patient be terminal, for one, and also wrong in excluding psychiatric illnesses.

A panel of three appeal court judges says the government is flouting last year’s landmark ruling by the Supreme Court when it argues that assisted dying should apply only to those who are close to death.

It’s also not complying with the top court’s ruling, known as the Carter decision, when it excludes people suffering solely from psychiatric conditions, the judges say.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/federal-rational-for-restricting-assisted-dying-shot-down-by-alberta-appeal-court

andromeda · May 19, 2016

i'm going to actually give credit to trudeau for rushing over to help brown. besides the sacred boob violation... what's the big deal?

Big Guy · May 19, 2016

This latest event is just another plastic hammer which the pro-Liberal and pro-Conservative and prop-NDP cheerleaders can batter each other with.

I think JT's old man had it right. "Fuddle Duddle" accompanied by a middle fingered salute.

BTW - Did the assisted dying legislation pass - or did anybody notice or care?

PIK · May 19, 2016

Well, it seems like Mister Trudeau is impatient at the slow course of debate in the House.

I don't know about this one. In the CBC cite he says he thought Brown was being too slow, but in other media he says he thought Brown was being 'impeded' by the NDP. Brown doesn't seem to have been unduly bothered by it, but the NDP sure was.

Slow what debate. He has shut down 5 in the last 2 weeks. Harper is looking pretty good these days compared to the new sunny ways.

PIK · May 19, 2016

i'm going to actually give credit to trudeau for rushing over to help brown. besides the sacred boob violation... what's the big deal?

Conservatives do not need help from justin.

waldo · May 19, 2016

The court made it quite clear that the federal government's approach was wrongheaded on the issue of its requirement a patient be terminal, for one, and also wrong in excluding psychiatric illnesses.

A panel of three appeal court judges says the government is flouting last year’s landmark ruling by the Supreme Court when it argues that assisted dying should apply only to those who are close to death.

It’s also not complying with the top court’s ruling, known as the Carter decision, when it excludes people suffering solely from psychiatric conditions, the judges say.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/federal-rational-for-restricting-assisted-dying-shot-down-by-alberta-appeal-court

nice! You see, that reflects the baby-steps approach and an attempt by the Trudeau government to reach accommodation with the Conservatives. A 'first step approach'... certainly, you're not going to state Conservatives would accept anything less than what came forward - yes?

and again your words 'derided', 'wrongheaded' have no place in that ruling, particularly since that court puts it's own ruling on hold... you know, hasn't proceeded with it. And I already stated why.

it's just not like you to spin and make shyte up like this!

on edit: Argus, I trust the MLW member throwing around the desperation label won't tag you for bringing this forward! :lol:

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Edited May 19, 2016 by waldo

waldo · May 19, 2016

BTW - Did the assisted dying legislation pass - or did anybody notice or care?

actual legislation wasn't being voted on... this was a vote to limit further "debate"; i.e., the purposeful days-on-end 'dicking around' delays both the Conservatives and NDP were playing at. The "symbolic NDP blockade" to prevent the vote from starting was just icing on the chortling Mulcair playbook!

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overthere · May 19, 2016

Yet here you rattle, on this very page, about some Sophie thread and the legislation that Trudeau was trying to literally punch through the House and a variety of courts.

Are you ashamed when a personal hero acts so disgracefully, assaulting fellow MPs and women? So now it has been referred to a Parliamentary committee-which will no doubt be stacked high with Liberals.....to your applause.

Go ahead, cheer the findings of the 'investigation/ into his Honourable actions, the report is already written.

?Impact · May 19, 2016

Yes, Trudeau is in the wrong and should apologize. What about the NDP children however, they should be sent to the time out chair for the rest of their term.