Argus Posted June 10, 2016 Report Posted June 10, 2016 If you can't figure it out... As far as I can see the point is some people hate Jews. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
DogOnPorch Posted June 10, 2016 Report Posted June 10, 2016 Not buying it. The settlements are simply being used as a way to expand Israel's borders. Israel is not going away anytime soon. If that's the case, why doesn't Israel just bite the bullet and push every Muslim into Jordan with their big strong military? Hmmmm? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted June 10, 2016 Report Posted June 10, 2016 If that's the case, why doesn't Israel just bite the bullet and push every Muslim into Jordan with their big strong military? Hmmmm? Actually they are doing just that. Israel spends a lot of money using military and police resources to protect the illegal settlements. The push is slow, but it continues. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 10, 2016 Report Posted June 10, 2016 Actually they are doing just that. Israel spends a lot of money using military and police resources to protect the illegal settlements. The push is slow, but it continues. No they aren't. Israelis are NOT pushing Arabs into Jordan. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
kactus Posted June 10, 2016 Report Posted June 10, 2016 No they aren't. Israelis are NOT pushing Arabs into Jordan. Even worse. That's like torturing the palestinians slowly. Same predicament jews endured at the hands of nazis... Quote
Bonam Posted June 11, 2016 Report Posted June 11, 2016 (edited) Even worse. That's like torturing the palestinians slowly. Same predicament jews endured at the hands of nazis... Yep... clearly the same thing: IMAGE LINK IMAGE LINK Edited June 11, 2016 by Michael Hardner ADDED IMAGE LINK Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted June 11, 2016 Report Posted June 11, 2016 If that's the case, why doesn't Israel just bite the bullet and push every Muslim into Jordan with their big strong military? Because that's much harder to legitimate to the international community, especially those that support them. Israel is very obviously trying to slowly annex as much of the West Bank as they can, which is disgusting and illegal. israel has seen in the past that once they gain some territory in the region, even illegally and/or through war, they've been able to keep a lot of it minus what they essentially voluntarily gave up (Sinai, Gaza etc). Netanyahu has also publicly stated as an election promise that he will not allow a 2-state solution. He was democratically re-elected by a plurality of Israelis, 23.5% mind you, on that promise. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Moonlight Graham Posted June 11, 2016 Report Posted June 11, 2016 And ya, there's Palestinians who commit or wish to commit war crimes all the time. There's violent jerks on both sides, and peace-seeking people on both sides as well. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
DogOnPorch Posted June 11, 2016 Report Posted June 11, 2016 (edited) Because that's much harder to legitimate to the international community, especially those that support them. Israel is very obviously trying to slowly annex as much of the West Bank as they can, which is disgusting and illegal. israel has seen in the past that once they gain some territory in the region, even illegally and/or through war, they've been able to keep a lot of it minus what they essentially voluntarily gave up (Sinai, Gaza etc). Netanyahu has also publicly stated as an election promise that he will not allow a 2-state solution. He was democratically re-elected by a plurality of Israelis, 23.5% mind you, on that promise. Perhaps Israel should. They didn't start the War...the Arabs did. Most notably, the Palestinians and Jordanians. But they aren't pushing anybody into Jordan. BTW, if it is so illegal to capture land in war, why wasn't North Viet-Nam punished? Are you going to tell me it was a 'civil war' or some other excuse? How about the dozens of other wars nobody cares about? Another note: had the Arabs been victorious in ANY of the wars they started...we wouldn't be having this conversation. Israel would be eliminated and these same folks that complain about Israel defending itself would NOT be leading the charge to bring it back from the grave... Edited June 11, 2016 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Big Guy Posted June 11, 2016 Report Posted June 11, 2016 (edited) ... Another note: had the Arabs been victorious in ANY of the wars they started...we wouldn't be having this conversation. Israel would be eliminated and these same folks that complain about Israel defending itself would NOT be leading the charge to bring it back from the grave... May I then assume that your position is that if one nation wins a war then they are entitled to the land won under that war? Might is right? BTW - Not everybody feels that the Arabs started all those wars: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/06/1967-naksa-making-middle-east-160608073319516.html Edited June 11, 2016 by Big Guy Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
eyeball Posted June 11, 2016 Report Posted June 11, 2016 (edited) Another note: had the Arabs been victorious in ANY of the wars they started...we wouldn't be having this conversation. Israel would be eliminated and these same folks that complain about Israel defending itself would NOT be leading the charge to bring it back from the grave...So long as we're going to talk about what ifs...had the allies taken their victory against tyranny seriously they would have created a homeland for European Jews in Europe, and Israel would never have existed. Edited June 11, 2016 by eyeball Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
kactus Posted June 11, 2016 Report Posted June 11, 2016 So long as we're going to talk about what ifs...had the allies taken their victory against tyranny seriously they would have created a homeland for European Jews, and Israel would never have existed. Amen to that.... Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 11, 2016 Report Posted June 11, 2016 So long as we're going to talk about what ifs...had the allies taken their victory against tyranny seriously they would have created a homeland for European Jews in Europe, and Israel would never have existed. Unfortunately for you, the Jews bought their land in the Levant. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted June 11, 2016 Report Posted June 11, 2016 They got the deed to a country? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Moonlight Graham Posted June 13, 2016 Report Posted June 13, 2016 Perhaps Israel should. They didn't start the War...the Arabs did. Most notably, the Palestinians and Jordanians. But they aren't pushing anybody into Jordan. LOL One thing I've learned reading the history of the conflict is it's really impossible to say "who started it". It certainly didn't start in 1948. BTW, if it is so illegal to capture land in war, why wasn't North Viet-Nam punished? Are you going to tell me it was a 'civil war' or some other excuse? How about the dozens of other wars nobody cares about? I honestly don't know enough about the history of Vietnam prior to the war to comment. Another note: had the Arabs been victorious in ANY of the wars they started...we wouldn't be having this conversation. Israel would be eliminated and these same folks that complain about Israel defending itself would NOT be leading the charge to bring it back from the grave... I never defending any violence by Arabs, or said Israel can't defend itself. Israel expanding settlements in land they don't even legally own has little to nothing to do with Israel "defending itself". It does it to acquire more land. If the US unilaterally started building settlements on Canadian territory in southern BC because of some centuries-old land claim you would be rightly PO'd and would rightly call it illegal. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
DogOnPorch Posted June 14, 2016 Report Posted June 14, 2016 (edited) LOL One thing I've learned reading the history of the conflict is it's really impossible to say "who started it". It certainly didn't start in 1948. I honestly don't know enough about the history of Vietnam prior to the war to comment. I never defending any violence by Arabs, or said Israel can't defend itself. Israel expanding settlements in land they don't even legally own has little to nothing to do with Israel "defending itself". It does it to acquire more land. If the US unilaterally started building settlements on Canadian territory in southern BC because of some centuries-old land claim you would be rightly PO'd and would rightly call it illegal. 1. It started in 1920 if you wish to split hairs...or back in the 7th century if you count Mohammad killing many of the Jews in his region. The Arabs still started it... 2. North Viet-Nam invaded South Viet-Nam. They ethnically cleansed the south, murdered and threw folks into reeducation camps. The Boat People tragedy is why you might have South Vietnamese neighbours. The UN rewarded North Viet-Nam with a full seat under its new name. That was in 1977. 3. In your scenario, did Canada join with numerous other countries and invade the US w/o warning...then lose? Edited June 14, 2016 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
marcus Posted June 14, 2016 Report Posted June 14, 2016 They got the deed to a country? Yeah. They bought some land and then drove hundreds of thousands of people from their homes and over 500 villages. Then they burnt the villages down and did not allow the owners to go back. That's the Zionist way of taking over the deed to a property. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
DogOnPorch Posted June 14, 2016 Report Posted June 14, 2016 Yeah. They bought some land and then drove hundreds of thousands of people from their homes and over 500 villages. Then they burnt the villages down and did not allow the owners to go back. That's the Zionist way of taking over the deed to a property. You forgot to mention the Arabs started a war and attacked Israel without warning. Most Arabs who left went at the Grand Mufti's behest. A few fled due to Irgun's activities in some regions...Irgun...a tiny organization. Many stayed and became citizens of Israel. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted June 14, 2016 Report Posted June 14, 2016 (edited) You forgot to mention the Arabs started a war and attacked Israel without warning. Most Arabs who left went at the Grand Mufti's behest. A few fled due to Irgun's activities in some regions...Irgun...a tiny organization. Many stayed and became citizens of Israel. The attacks were ongoing. It was just during that time Israel decided to establish itself. So yesterday there were attacks, but not on Israel. Then BOOM Israel exists and the attacks went on, but now it's treated as an attack on Israel. Edited June 14, 2016 by GostHacked Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 14, 2016 Report Posted June 14, 2016 The attacks were ongoing. It was just during that time Israel decided to establish itself. So yesterday there were attacks, but not on Israel. Then BOOM Israel exists and the attacks went on, but now it's treated as an attack on Israel. The Arabs attacked Israel w/o warning in 1948. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Bob Macadoo Posted June 14, 2016 Report Posted June 14, 2016 (edited) 3. In your scenario, did Canada join with numerous other countries and invade the US w/o warning...then lose? Britain, Miami, Winnebago, Shawnee, Fox, Sauk, Kickapoo, Delaware and Wyandot Nations.....I would call it a draw rather than a loss Edited June 14, 2016 by Bob Macadoo Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 Britain, Miami, Winnebago, Shawnee, Fox, Sauk, Kickapoo, Delaware and Wyandot Nations.....I would call it a draw rather than a loss If you wish to discuss 1812, start another thread...seriously. I'll join you there. The Battle of Lake Erie is one of my favorites, history-wise. Meanwhile, my point stands. Had Canada invaded the US with say...Russia...then lost...we'd get what we f----- deserved. And then some. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 2, 2016 Author Report Posted August 2, 2016 Palestinian terror attack (and war crimes) clock....when will the next one happen ? http://www.israelhasbeenterrorattackfreefor.com/ Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 22, 2016 Author Report Posted August 22, 2016 Palestinian terrorists continued their rocket attack war crimes on Sunday: JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Palestinian militants in the Gaza Strip launched a rocket that landed in the Israeli border town of Sderot on Sunday and Israeli aircraft and tanks responded by shelling the Gaza town of Beit Hanoun, the army and police said. https://ca.news.yahoo.com/gaza-militant-rocket-hits-israel-israel-responds-air-133151502.html Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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