Yzermandius19 Posted January 28, 2020 Report Posted January 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: The testimony could be damning. You said that about the testimony of many an individual, and every time you were wrong, just as you are wrong now. Quote
Zeitgeist Posted January 28, 2020 Report Posted January 28, 2020 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: He needs to swing 20 Republicans, not four, it's not happening. It depends on whether they think Trump can win in the court of public opinion after the testimonies. If the odds change Trump will be sacrificed in short order. Quote
Zeitgeist Posted January 28, 2020 Report Posted January 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: You said that about the testimony of many an individual, and every time you were wrong, just as you are wrong now. No I didn’t. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted January 28, 2020 Report Posted January 28, 2020 Just now, Zeitgeist said: It depends on whether they think Trump can win in the court of public opinion after the testimonies. If the odds change Trump will be sacrificed in short order. Public opinion isn't going to flip, you just wish that they would. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted January 28, 2020 Report Posted January 28, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: No I didn’t. Yes you did. You think none of us can remember you gushing about Sondland testifying being the end of Trump? Or many other of the figures who you assumed could be a gamechanger, please. You have cried wolf at every turn and keep getting burned. Edited January 28, 2020 by Yzermandius19 Quote
Zeitgeist Posted January 28, 2020 Report Posted January 28, 2020 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: Yes you did. You think none of can remember you gushing about Sondland testifying being the end of Trump? Cite Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted January 28, 2020 Report Posted January 28, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said: Cite I'm not searching through you're posts, anyone paying attention around here remembers you jumping the shark constantly every time the media says they have another bombshell that is the end of Trump. You fall for it every time. Edited January 28, 2020 by Yzermandius19 Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted January 28, 2020 Report Posted January 28, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: Let’s see what happens. That's your response every single time I point out that you're hope that Trump will be removed from office is never going to happen, no matter how many times you are proved wrong, you keep saying that, lets just wait to see what happens, anything can happen. Then it plays out exactly as I describe, you move the goalposts while never admitting you were wrong, and claim next time Trump is going down because of another "bombshell". You are Dr. Claw of the forum, Trump is your Inspector Gadget. "Next time Trump, next time" and then you never catch him. Edited January 28, 2020 by Yzermandius19 Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 28, 2020 Report Posted January 28, 2020 The Senate has never removed a U.S. president from office...only a strong anti-Trump bias would ignore this reality. Beat Trump at the polls...if they can. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Zeitgeist Posted January 28, 2020 Report Posted January 28, 2020 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: That's your response every single time I point out that you're hope that Trump will be removed from office is never going to happen, no matter how many times you are proved wrong, you keep saying that. I haven’t said it many times. In fact I’ve said he could be re-elected. Don’t be so partisan and brainwashed. Trump could really be in trouble over this. His enemies within the Republican Party may think they have a chance to present a unified front against him. I’m sure Romney Is sizing up the situation. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted January 28, 2020 Report Posted January 28, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: Trump could really be in trouble over this. His enemies within the Republican Party may think they have a chance to present a unified front against him. I’m sure Romney Is sizing up the situation. He is not in trouble, he doesn't have many enemies in the Senate, he has stronger support within the Republican party than most Republican presidents ever did, the few that he has aren't going to flip 20 Senators. You need to stop listening to media pretending the anti-Trump faction is a big part of the Republican party, because they aren't, it's just wishful thinking on the media's part, the party is not divided on this, they are united in support of Trump and that isn't going to change because of Bolton. Trump is not in trouble at all. Chances are that Dems would be lucky to even flip Romney right now, let alone 19 more. Edited January 28, 2020 by Yzermandius19 Quote
Zeitgeist Posted January 28, 2020 Report Posted January 28, 2020 Again it’s about whether the public will buy in. Not so sure with Bolton looming. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted January 28, 2020 Report Posted January 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said: Again it’s about whether the public will buy in. Not so sure with Bolton looming. You may not be sure, but I am. When "Bolton looming" ends up being a nothing burger, you will just move the goalposts and not be so sure that something else won't flip public opinion against Trump, you will never stop believing, no matter how much reality proves your doubts wrong. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 28, 2020 Report Posted January 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said: Again it’s about whether the public will buy in. Not so sure with Bolton looming. Bolton is hated by lefties...now they love him ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Zeitgeist Posted January 28, 2020 Report Posted January 28, 2020 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: You may not be sure, but I am. When "Bolton looming" ends up being a nothing burger, you will just move the goalposts and not be so sure that something else won't flip public opinion against Trump, you will never stop believing, no matter how much reality proves your doubts wrong. You really dig that guy. Whatever turns your crank I suppose. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted January 28, 2020 Report Posted January 28, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: You really dig that guy. Whatever turns your crank I suppose. You don't have to like Trump to realize the Democrats got nothing on him. The only way to think the Dems are about to remove Trump from office is to hate Trump so much you can't see straight. Edited January 28, 2020 by Yzermandius19 Quote
Zeitgeist Posted January 28, 2020 Report Posted January 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: You don't have to like Trump to realize the Democrats got nothing on him. The only way to think the Dems are about to remove Trump from office is to hate Trump so much you can't see straight. No, the Ukraine stuff was pretty sketchy. I don’t think he’s out of the woods, and this turn of events pushes him closer to the tipping point. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted January 28, 2020 Report Posted January 28, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: No, the Ukraine stuff was pretty sketchy. I don’t think he’s out of the woods, and this turn of events pushes him closer to the tipping point. No one cares about Ukraine dude. He is nowhere near a tipping point, least of all because of Ukraine. Many presidents have done far sketchier things and no one tried to impeach them over it, the Democrats are deranged and desperate. Edited January 28, 2020 by Yzermandius19 Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 28, 2020 Report Posted January 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said: No, the Ukraine stuff was pretty sketchy. I don’t think he’s out of the woods, and this turn of events pushes him closer to the tipping point. More like you want this to be true. The Senate is not going to bite. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Yzermandius19 Posted January 28, 2020 Report Posted January 28, 2020 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: More like you want this to be true. The Senate is not going to bite. Just because Zeitgeist thinks it's sketchy doesn't mean America or the Senate agrees with him, who knew? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 28, 2020 Report Posted January 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: Just because Zeitgeist thinks it's sketchy doesn't mean America or the Senate agrees with him, who knew? So focused on removing Trump that political and historical reality is being ignored. Trump may be a bastard...so beat him at the polls....if they can. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Yzermandius19 Posted January 28, 2020 Report Posted January 28, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: So focused on removing Trump that political and historical reality is being ignored. Trump may be a bastard...so beat him at the polls....if they can. The Democrats know they can't beat him at the polls, that's why they are focused on the end around of trying to remove him from office. Edited January 28, 2020 by Yzermandius19 Quote
Rue Posted January 28, 2020 Report Posted January 28, 2020 9 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: Again it’s about whether the public will buy in. Not so sure with Bolton looming. https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/newspolitics/bolton-was-concerned-that-trump-did-favors-for-autocratic-leaders-book-says/ar-BBZonO1?ocid=spartandhp Like everyone else Trump has fired (see above comments from Bolton) Trump and his cult followers will just dismiss the concerns of John Bolton as meaningless. The concept of "appearance of conflict of interest " is removed from the test of conflict of interest. The fact that there is a direct link between a man ordering the hold back of funds to Ukraine and his having told them to investigate Joe Biden does not matter. In the Trump world, this is not a problem. Anyone who disagrees with Trump is insulted by Twitter and called something derogatory. The repeat litany of hundreds being fired and his own National Security Advisor uncomfortable with his dealings with not just Ukraine but Turkey and China, no problem. Its Trump he can do anything. A President can't be questioned about self interest. Quote
Rue Posted January 28, 2020 Report Posted January 28, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: So focused on removing Trump that political and historical reality is being ignored. Trump may be a bastard...so beat him at the polls....if they can. They will have to because the Republican Senators prevented a proper impeachment trial. They blocked evidence and witnesses and stated before the trial they had already made up their minds to protect Trump and prevent the trial. I myself would not be surprised if Trump would be re-elected. It says a lot for the collective psyche of the US with their political system. They accept corruption, dictatorship, abuse of power, lying and uttering non stop alsehoods to the media that are proven false, using the Twitter to write fractured insulting syntax, being rude, firing people non stop. No problem. It means nothing. Electing a President based on a reality t.v. show and him walking in front of a plane with his name while the song MONEY MONEY MONEY blares out, that's the kind of man, that's the role model Americans want. No statesmanship, no uniting visions and certainly no legislation, just the removal of regulations. A Presidency whose entire legacy will be based on insults, telling Americans what was wrong, but leaving no vision. Is it a surprise. The irony is some say Trump is a builder, he built buildings. He never did. Never did he build anything. He piggy backed onto construction projects charging them a royalty fee to use his name to advertise the project. This man when he did supposedly run construction never paid his workers and left a string of unpaid debts from the money he borrowed to build the project unpaid. He parasites off of the work of others. He played pyramid schemes with other people's money and labour and that is the man America wanted. Imagine a country with statesmen like the US had, Washington, Franklin, Lincoln, Wilson, T and FD Rooseevelt, JFK, Truman to name a few and this is what they have lowered their expectations of their leader to. Its sad and I again can only think once Nixon sucked any remaining naïve belief in politics having admirable people out of the soul of America, its been a slide down to the most base and crass of politicians. Americans don't care. They seem to have given up in expecting anything of value in a leader. Its all about picking someone who defines everything by how able he is to order others about and brag about his personal material comforts. Edited January 28, 2020 by Rue Quote
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