America under President Trump

[taxme]

On 10/15/2019 at 5:32 PM, bush_cheney2004 said:

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi will not hold a vote on the impeachment inquiry, as she does not have all the votes needed, and it would put a lot of pressure on vulnerable Democrats.     Try harder Nancy !

 

 

It would appear as though in America Americans do really have a deep state bunch of democrat morons around, not that we here in Canada can say that we do not have our own deep state bunch of moron politicians here also. Nancy Pelosi needs to retire from politics. She is so a has been. She should go retire with her millions in Florida and stop harassing millions of Americans every day over nothing. Millions of taxpayer's tax dollars being blown on all of this impeachment nonsense, and not a thing to nail Trump on so far. What a sham. We all truly do live in a leftist liberal screwed up insanity world. Liberalism????????? 

[WestCanMan]

23 hours ago, Cannucklehead said:

Hope he reads what americans think of him on both sides of the fence.  

What do American on "both sides of the fence" think about Trump? He's wildly popular on one side, in case you hadn't noticed.

 

[Cannucklehead]

Just now, WestCanMan said:

What do American on "both sides of the fence" think about Trump? He's wildly popular on one side, in case you hadn't noticed.

 

Evidently not, what with republicans condemning him as well as democrats.  

[Yzermandius19]

19 hours ago, Cannucklehead said:

Evidently not, what with republicans condemning him as well as democrats.  

His support with Republicans is better than most Republican Presidents. Not a single Republican voted for formalizing impeachment, and two Democrats voted against it as well. The Democrats are far more divided than the Republicans.

A few Never Trumpers the media likes to focus on, like Mitt Romney, doesn't mean many Republicans are condemning him. You just want to believe that Trump is more hated than he actually is, and so does the media and the Democrats, who's talking points you seem to accept as if they are gospel.

Edited November 3, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[taxme]

21 hours ago, Cannucklehead said:

Evidently not, what with republicans condemning him as well as democrats.  

You must be referring too the RINO's, hmmm? Although I heard that the majority of republicans are starting to back Trump these days. Even some democrats are backing off from their own party because of all this stupid bs nonsense going on over impeachment. The democrats have nothing to offer the American people but more impeachment nonsense. They have not tried to help Trump in anyway to try and make America great again. Instead, they have and still are trying to make America not so great. The demorats will not try to help Trump over immigration or people in California living in tents on the streets of LA or anything else. What ever Trump tries to do to change things for the better, the demorats only want to fight him on those changes.

Trump is not the problem. The demorats are the problem. 

[Guest]

How does Trump keep a straight face here? 

 

[WestCanMan]

On 11/2/2019 at 1:10 PM, Cannucklehead said:

Evidently not, what with republicans condemning him as well as democrats.  

Cite? Explanation?

He has a 95% approval rating among Republicans and zero Rep Congressmen voted in favour of impeachment.

[Cannucklehead]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Cite? Explanation?

He has a 95% approval rating among Republicans and zero Rep Congressmen voted in favour of impeachment.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/republicans-rebuke-trump-vote-overturn-1465762%3famp=1

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/07/16/politics/trump-racist-comment-vote-house-gop-list/index.html

 

The final vote was 354-60, with all of the no votes coming from Republicans.

 

129 voted yes, 60 voted no.  Mind you that is not the impeachment vote, but it does show a lot of reps disapprove some of his decisions.  

Edited November 4, 2019 by Cannucklehead

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Cannucklehead said:

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/republicans-rebuke-trump-vote-overturn-1465762%3famp=1

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/07/16/politics/trump-racist-comment-vote-house-gop-list/index.html

 

The final vote was 354-60, with all of the no votes coming from Republicans.

 

129 voted yes, 60 voted no.  Mind you that is not the impeachment vote, but it does show a lot of reps disapprove some of his decisions.  

That's just proof that the Republican party is functioning like a healthy democratic institution. They're not just goose-stepping drones sucking a huge salary off the public tit, like the Dems, who recklessly throw themselves behind every ridiculous conspiracy theory that Hillary and CNN belch out.

[Yzermandius19]

7 hours ago, Cannucklehead said:

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/republicans-rebuke-trump-vote-overturn-1465762%3famp=1

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/07/16/politics/trump-racist-comment-vote-house-gop-list/index.html

 

The final vote was 354-60, with all of the no votes coming from Republicans.

 

129 voted yes, 60 voted no.  Mind you that is not the impeachment vote, but it does show a lot of reps disapprove some of his decisions.  

Disapproving of one of his decisions doesn't mean they disapprove in general, or that many of them do. Don't let Mitt Romney fool you, most Republicans are behind Trump, his base is rock solid. The Democrats are far more divided than the Republicans.

4 Republicans condemned his tweets, that is not a sign of disapproval at all, and GOP warhawks disagreeing with Trump in a meaningless vote, for not being enough of a warhawk, is a meaningless gesture that has no impact on anything, pure virtue signaling. This is grasping at straws in a lame attempt to prove he's not popular with Republicans when he very clearly is, wishful thinking is a helluva drug.

Edited November 5, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Boges]

14 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Disapproving of one of his decisions doesn't mean they disapprove in general, or that many of them do. Don't let Mitt Romney fool you, most Republicans are behind Trump, his base is rock solid. The Democrats are far more divided than the Republicans.

4 Republicans condemned his tweets, that is not a sign of disapproval at all, and GOP warhawks disagreeing with Trump in a meaningless vote, for not being enough of a warhawk, is a meaningless gesture that has no impact on anything, pure virtue signaling. This is grasping at straws in a lame attempt to prove he's not popular with Republicans when he very clearly is, wishful thinking is a helluva drug.

It's not the party of Conservatives, it's the party of Trump. You have to pledge fealty to Trump to be in the GOP. That's why his approval amongst the GOP is so high, anyone who doesn't tow the line can GTFO. 

As people, on the right, will concede, Trump is not about social conservatism and not about small government. So people are just pledging support for the Red team over the Blue team, regardless of principals. 

[Yzermandius19]

10 minutes ago, Boges said:

It's not the party of Conservatives, it's the party of Trump. You have to pledge fealty to Trump to be in the GOP. That's why his approval amongst the GOP is so high, anyone who doesn't tow the line can GTFO. 

As people, on the right, will concede, Trump is not about social conservatism and not about small government. So people are just pledging support for the Red team over the Blue team, regardless of principals. 

Well if the Blue Team hadn't gone insane, Trump probably wouldn't have won, but they did, so he won. Now Blue Team has doubled down on the insanity that cost them 2016, and Trump is going to win again in 2020, surprise surprise.

Like I say, with enemies like the Democrats, Trump doesn't need friends. He's not running a race against Usain Bolt, he's running against political opponents who can barely crawl, therefore he just needs to walk at the speed of a leisurely stroll to beat them with ease.

Edited November 5, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Boges]

16 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Well if the Blue Team hadn't gone insane, Trump probably wouldn't have won, but they did, so he won. Now Blue Team has doubled down on the insanity, and Trump is going to win again, surprise surprise.

Like I say, with enemies like the Democrats, Trump doesn't need friends. He's not running a race against Usain Bolt, he's running against political opponents who can barely crawl, therefore he just needs to walk at leisurely stroll to beat them.

Insane by doing what? nominating Hillary? 

You're acting like Trump trounced the Dems in 2016. He shrewdly realized the election only needed to be contested in like 6 states. The Dems were arrogant and felt Obama voters would stick with Hillary. Didn't happen. Trump won battleground states that Obama took. Those Trump wins were by a very narrow margin. Can it happen again? Sure. Or perhaps it wont. 

Now we're foolish if we think we can predict the future. If you want to pledge that these impeachment hearings will 100% mean that Trump will be re-elected, go ahead but that's not a cogent argument. I can say that inaction in an attempt to rig the election (which is what extorting Ukraine into investigating a political rival is) is something that has to be highlighted and actioned upon. . . Impeachment. 

Ultimately, the GOP will all have to answer Yes or No the the question. "Do you think it's appropriate for a POTUS to leverage taxpayer money to damage a political rival." It doesn't appear Trump wants them to concede it's wrong but not impeachable. He wants them to defend his actions. 

So far the GOP defence has been all about process. When these hearings go public, they'll have to address the fact that the Democrats have lined up people that will say, under oath, that the Trump Administration (And Rudy) pressured them to get Ukraine to look into Burisma and Crowdstrike in exchange for Military Aid.

Are they all lying? Will the US public actually believe them? Or will they even care? We'll see. As a Canadian, looking from the outside, it's fascinating theatre. 

Edited November 5, 2019 by Boges

[Yzermandius19]

Insane by running to the far left and conceding the center to Trump. If Hillary had run to the center instead of embracing woke politics to try to pander to minority voting blocks that didn't show up in the same numbers they did for Obama, and never were going to, she would have won. She thought she had the center in the bag when she was alienating them by running to left instead to center.

Now the Democrats are doubling down of that failed strategy and have no candidate who can beat Trump, these 2020 chumps will lose far worse than Hillary did, especially in those states they need to take back to beat Trump.

Edited November 5, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Boges]

3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Insane by running to the far left and conceding the center to Trump. Now they are doubling down of that failed strategy and have no candidate who can beat Trump, these 2020 chumps will lose far worse than Hillary did, especially in those states they need to take back to beat Trump.

You think Hillary is too the far left? WOW. 

She's to the right of Obama and he did aight. 

Edited November 5, 2019 by Boges

[Yzermandius19]

2 minutes ago, Boges said:

You think Hillary is too the far left? WOW. 

She's to the right of Obama and he did aight. 

She ran to left of Obama though, pretended to be more woke than him to try and get the woke left out to vote for her at a similar rate as Obama, but they didn't show up and it backfired spectacularly. That's why she lost.

Obama ran to the center while the Republicans conceded it to him, and now the shoe is on the other foot with Trump.

Edited November 5, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Boges]

Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

She ran to left of Obama though. That's why she lost.

What policies were to the left of Obama? 

She was seen as a corporatist Democrat that had wishy washy opinions. Regardless she took states for granted. The Dems will not do that again. 

[Yzermandius19]

3 minutes ago, Boges said:

What policies were to the left of Obama? 

She was seen as a corporatist Democrat that had wishy washy opinions. Regardless she took states for granted. The Dems will not do that again. 

They are doing it as we speak. They are running even further to the left in 2020, that doesn't play in the states the Dems lost in 2016. Swing states are in the center, not the left.

Corporatist Democrats can be woke too, lots of woke corporations out there. Identity politics do not fly in the rust belt without Obama running against Republicans conceding the center to him.

Edited November 5, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[-TSS-]

The conventional wisdom of winning elections from the centre-ground seems to be reversed. Nowadays you must belong to a fringe to have a hope of winning elections hoping to fool enough people from the centre to vote for you. Imagine if a sane person entered the Democratic-race. That person would stand no chance among Warren, Harris, Sanders.

[Boges]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

They are doing it as we speak. They are running even further to the left in 2020, that doesn't play in the states the Dems lost in 2016. Swing states are in the center, not the left.

That's not an answer. 

WHAT. POLICIES. ARE. TO. THE. LEFT. OF. OBAMA. 

[Yzermandius19]

7 minutes ago, Boges said:

That's not an answer. 

WHAT. POLICIES. ARE. TO. THE. LEFT. OF. OBAMA. 

You think people care about fine policy details? Funny. Another reason why Hillary lost, she thought they cared about that too.

Clinton ran on Open Boders, Obama was the Deporter in Chief. She ran on having a vagina, and it being her turn. Obama ran on no Red America, No Blue America, just America, Clinton thought Blue America was so supreme and Obama was proof, so she didn't need to campaign in swing states Obama won.

Open your eyes. Clinton ran to the right of Obama in 2008, lost and then overreacted. In 2016 she ran to left of Obama in 2012 in a failed attempt to rally the base because she thought she didn't need swing voters. That's what happened.

Edited November 5, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Boges]

1 minute ago, -TSS- said:

The conventional wisdom of winning elections from the centre-ground seems to be reversed. Nowadays you must belong to a fringe to have a hope of winning elections hoping to fool enough people from the centre to vote for you. Imagine if a sane person entered the Democratic-race. That person would stand no chance among Warren, Harris, Sanders.

Pete Buttigieg seems to do well from the Centre. But he's Gay, can an openly Gay politician win in America? Dunno. 

But this conventional wisdom about the Centre is why Biden is still doing well. And why Trump needs to go to Ukraine to try and discredit him. 

[Boges]

7 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

You think people care about fine policy details? Funny. Another reason why Hillary lost, she thought they cared about that too.

Clinton ran on Open Boders, Obama was the Deporter in Chief. She ran on having a vagina, and it being her turn. Obama ran on no Red America, No Blue America, just America, Clinton thought Blue America was so supreme and Obama was proof, so she didn't need to campaign in swing states Obama won.

Open your eyes. Clinton ran to the right of Obama in 2008, in 2016 she ran to left of Obama in 2012 in a failed attempt to rally the base because she thought she didn't need swing voters. That's what happened.

Cite an Open Borders policy. That's just one thing tho. You're making sweeping claims without any substance. Which is, I guess, how Trump does so well. He just says thing, they don't have to be true. 

Also, do you really think Warren, Sanders, Biden or however will do the same as Clinton? If you do, then you're being willfully ignorant. 

Edited November 5, 2019 by Boges

[Yzermandius19]

2 minutes ago, Boges said:

Cite an Open Borders policy. That's just one thing tho. You're making sweeping claims without any substance. Which is, I guess, how Trump does so well. He just says thing, they don't have to be true. 

Voter perception is what matters, not fine policy details most Americans don't even pay attention to. Clinton ran to the left of Obama in 2016 and now Democrats are running to left of 2016 Clinton in 2020, doubling down on the exact strategy that cost them the Rust Belt in 2016.

You give Democrats too much credit in learning lessons from 2016, they learned nothing and are doubling down on fail. Open your eyes, enough of the wishful thinking that Democrats can't be that dumb, when they clearly are being that dumb and more.

Edited November 5, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Boges]

Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

Voter perception is what matters, not fine policy details most Americans don't even pay attention to. Clinton ran to the left of Obama in 2016 and now Democrats are running to left of Clinton in 2020, doubling down on the exact strategy that cost them the Rust Belt.

Ahhh so Trump can just make shit up and that's the narrative. Facts be damned. 

That's why he keeps saying a Transcript that specifically has him asking a political favour from another leader clears him of any wrongdoing.