America under President Trump

[Dougie93]

46 minutes ago, kactus said:

Looks like Trump has sacked the hawkish security advisor John Bolton.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-us-canada-49655279

Throughout his administration he has literally sacked everyone which reflects his judgment and ability to make a sound decision. Nevertheless, Bolton was a good riddance and not liked by many in his administration.

Apparently the reason Bolton was fired is because he's so gung ho to bomb Iran and Trump is smartly trying to dodge those quagmires to wage trade war instead of shooting war.

At the strategic level Trump is trying keep himself at the center of everything, not letting any clique take control,

He hires people as short term expedients, with Bolton he needed to appease the Neocons about Venezuela.

The whole Venezuela thing is sputtering out, so Bolton is not longer of any use.

[Boges]

58 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

It's correct to say that Alabama was not within the "cone of certainty" at any time, but it's not correct to say that Alabama was never in any projected paths of the hurricane. If it even matters.

That's the thing, ultimately it doesn't matter. Trump was impulsive and ill informed. He's always like that. People chuckled and everyone moved on. . .

. . .Until Trump decides to come out with a doctored weather map, release week old weather predictions to defend his original tweets and gets NOAA to make statements supporting him. He also appears have ordered his Commerce Secretary to fire anyone that contradicted him.

That's where it becomes a story, not because he originally tweeted out-dated information. 

[Dougie93]

Trump Derangement Syndrome notwithstanding, this is all core activity for Trump

Trump is an insurgency against Washington.

The more he acts the bull in the china shop, the more he flips over furniture and slaps the Establishment upside the head, the better for Trump.

Mission Accomplished.

[Boges]

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Trump Derangement Syndrome notwithstanding, this is all core activity for Trump

Trump is an insurgency against Washington.

The more he acts the bull in the china shop, the more he flips over furniture and slaps the Establishment upside the head, the better for Trump.

Mission Accomplished.

It's somewhat telling that you think having a thin-skinned pathological liar in the White House is a good thing. 

[Dougie93]

Just now, Boges said:

It's somewhat telling that you think having a thin-skinned pathological liar in the White House is a good thing. 

The good thing is the disruption of the Washington Beltway Consensus and the derailing of the Democrats Trannie Commie agenda

While seizing control of the SCOTUS for decades to come.

Trump is simply a means to an end.

He doesn't have to be a nice honest guy to get the job done.

Stalin wasn't a nice guy neither, but nobody killed more Commies than Koba. Huzzah.

[Boges]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

Stalin wasn't a nice guy neither, but nobody killed more Commies than Koba. Huzzah.

Trump = Stalin

Good comparison. 

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Boges said:

Trump = Stalin

Good comparison. 

Stalin was much more clever, Trump is not as clever as Koba, but he doesn't have to be, because Trump's mission is comparatively simple.

[Dougie93]

Stalin was the same way tho, he was a brute, he was a bully, he kept people off balance, and he played one side against the other, divide and conquer.

Stalin was also insecure, he was small, he had a squeaky voice, pockmarked skin, and like Kaiser Bill, Stalin had a crippled arm.

Edited September 10, 2019 by Dougie93

[WestCanMan]

13 minutes ago, Boges said:

. . .Until Trump decides to come out with a doctored weather map, release week old weather predictions to defend his original tweets and gets NOAA to make statements supporting him. He also appears have ordered his Commerce Secretary to fire anyone that contradicted him.

That's where it becomes a story, not because he originally tweeted out-dated information. 

OMG are you still quoting CNN?

How's that going for you, in general?

I gotta admit, they were almost right that one time. They said that a Presidential candidate colluded with Russians and it was true, they just got the candidate wrong. They had a 50/50 chance, and that's much higher than their batting avg on every other topic.

 

[Boges]

4 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

OMG are you still quoting CNN?

How's that going for you, in general?

I gotta admit, they were almost right that one time. They said that a Presidential candidate colluded with Russians and it was true, they just got the candidate wrong. They had a 50/50 chance, and that's much higher than their batting avg on every other topic.

NOAA did release that report. And Trump did trot out that doctored map. It's an objective fact.  

It's astonishing where News is only relevant from certain sources now. It's a really sad indictment of political discourse. If a news source I trust don't report it, it didn't happen. 

[Boges]

8 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Stalin was the same way tho, he was a brute, he was a bully, he kept people off balance, and he played one side against the other, divide and conquer.

Stalin was also insecure, he was small, he had a squeaky voice, pockmarked skin, and like Kaiser Bill Stalin had a crippled arm.

I'm cool with the comparison. 

Wanna go the Godwin route and compare him to Hitler next? 

Edited September 10, 2019 by Boges

[Dougie93]

Just now, Boges said:

I'm cool with the comparison. 

Me too.   Stalin was very effective.   He wiped the Bolsheviks out, then he wiped the Nazis out, just as Trump will wipe the Trannies and Commies of America out.

Though not by liquidating them, he is simply inciting them to blow themselves up by Trump Derangement Syndrome.

 

[Dougie93]

7 minutes ago, Boges said:

Wanna go the Godwin route and compare him to Hitler next? 

No, he's not like Herr Wolf, Herr Wolf admired Stalin's ruthlessness, but Stalin was exponentially more cautious, Stalin feared death, whereas Her Wolf was fully prepared to die at the head of his troops, and he did.

[kactus]

41 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Apparently the reason Bolton was fired is because he's so gung ho to bomb Iran and Trump is smartly trying to dodge those quagmires to wage trade war instead of shooting war.

At the strategic level Trump is trying keep himself at the center of everything, not letting any clique take control,

He hires people as short term expedients, with Bolton he needed to appease the Neocons about Venezuela.

The whole Venezuela thing is sputtering out, so Bolton is not longer of any use.

You could also argue that with the election next year Trump does not want to start another war. But I agree with your assessment in essence that he wants to show the world that he is the one who made the deal. Quite ego centric but then again we know these idiocincracies in his character. It is about being Trump....

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, kactus said:

You could also argue that with the election next year Trump does not want to start another war. But I agree with your assessment in essence that he wants to show the world that he is the one who made the deal. Quite ego centric but then again we know these idiocincracies in his character. It is about being Trump....

Don't forget that MAGA is Ronald Reagan.

The MAGA strategy is to build up military forces for the Cold War against the other Hegemons, but no more Vietnam's, the only place Reagan invaded was Grenada.

[Dougie93]

Trump is simply an opportunist,  a means to an end.  Roger Stone was the brains of the outfit.

As such, Trumpism is a fusion of four paradigms.

Nixon's Silent Majority.

Reagan's MAGA.

The Know Nothings.

The America Firsters.

 

[bush_cheney2004]

17 minutes ago, kactus said:

You could also argue that with the election next year Trump does not want to start another war.

 

No need to argue at all....Trump said he would not engage in more stupid wars like George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, and Barack Hussein Obama...and  so far he hasn't. 

 

[Dougie93]

In terms of Fake News Agitprop?

That's the Know Nothings.

Russia Collusion?

America Firsters.

Immigration?

Know Nothings.  Order of the Star Spangled Banner.

Trade War?

America Firsters.  Return to Normalcy.

Edited September 10, 2019 by Dougie93

[kactus]

7 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

No need to argue at all....Trump said he would not engage in more stupid wars like George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, and Barack Hussein Obama...and  so far he hasn't. 

 

First of all both Bush senior both engaged the US in a war. In what way are they similar to Trump?

Second of all are you saying that Iraq war started by Bush senior was a stupid war?

[kactus]

9 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

In terms of Fake News Agitprop?

That's the Know Nothings.

Russia Collusion?

America Firsters.

Interesting that the America Firsters is part of Trump fusion paradigm and fake news agitprop!

I think starting another war with Iran when the consequences are unknown has more leverage than the argument that the US was going to invade Iran. The cold war argument has more gravitas IMO

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, kactus said:

Second of all are you saying that Iraq war started by Bush senior was a stupid war?

Obviously was.

H. W. Bush's initial reaction was the correct one when he said; "not our problem"

What happened was he then met with Margaret Thatcher who convinced him that Kuwait could be his Falkland Islands war, which made Thatcher.

After meeting with Thatcher, H. W changed his tune suddenly from "not our problem" to "this shall not stand!"  H. W. Thatcher.

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, kactus said:

Interesting that the America Firsters is part of Trump fusion paradigm and fake news agitprop!

I think starting another war with Iran when the consequences are unknown has more leverage than the argument that the US was going to invade Iran. The cold war argument has more gravitas IMO

I wouldn't worry about a war with Iran, the Americans are bluffing, the Pentagon is telling the Washington Establishment that America does not have a military option with Iran.

Iran is more than the Pentagon can chew, and America doesn't have the Europeans on side, Iran would require a coalition of the willing with Europe providing half the forces, and Europe ain't gonna do it.

[bush_cheney2004]

10 minutes ago, kactus said:

First of all both Bush senior both engaged the US in a war. In what way are they similar to Trump?

Second of all are you saying that Iraq war started by Bush senior was a stupid war?

 

???   I said the exact opposite...Trump campaigned in 2016 on no more stupid (expensive) wars.  

And yes...the Gulf War was a stupid war only mitigated by the fact that Iraq's local enemies paid the tab.

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

I wouldn't worry about a war with Iran, the Americans are bluffing, the Pentagon is telling the Washington Establishment that America does not have a military option with Iran.

Iran is more than the Pentagon can chew, and America doesn't have the Europeans on side, Iran would require a coalition of the willing with Europe providing half the forces, and Europe ain't gonna do it.

 

Precisely...it is the same problem that previous presidents faced as well, going back to Jimmy Carter.

Bolton clashed with Trump, who will not go down that path.

[CITIZEN_2015]

Trump sacked Bolton. Trump is a coward and hypocrite. He is all talk and no action.