eyeball Posted June 1, 2019 Report Posted June 1, 2019 8 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Because the Republicans had nothing relevant on Clinton... 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Because he struck a deal with prosecutors... Hmmm, who to believe but even more importantly why? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Yzermandius19 Posted June 1, 2019 Report Posted June 1, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, eyeball said: Hmmm, who to believe but even more importantly why? A very light slap on the wrist isn't relevant and was well worth the boost in popularity because of an obvious partisan witch hunt. They don't even have enough on Trump to give him a very light slap on the wrist, so if they impeach him anyway or even attempt to, expect it to backfire on Democrats just like it backfired on Republicans. Edited June 1, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote
eyeball Posted June 1, 2019 Report Posted June 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Which is a helluva a lot more punishment than Trump will ever receive, and still nothing but a very light slap on the wrist. But why would Clinton need punishing if prosecutors had nothing on him? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 1, 2019 Report Posted June 1, 2019 1 minute ago, eyeball said: Hmmm, who to believe but even more importantly why? Doesn't matter who/what you believe....President Bill Clinton thought he was very clever in a lawyer's sneaky way, but made the big mistake that President Donald Trump did not make....lie under oath in a federal court...obvious obstruction...right there on the videotape. Trump was too smart to take that bait. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 1, 2019 Report Posted June 1, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, eyeball said: But why would Clinton need punishing if prosecutors had nothing on him? Because Clinton was facing indictment after he left office because of tangled misdeeds way back in Arkansas. Clinton was guilty of lying under oath in a federal court deposition (perjury). Edited June 1, 2019 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Yzermandius19 Posted June 1, 2019 Report Posted June 1, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, eyeball said: But why would Clinton need punishing if prosecutors had nothing on him? All minor punishment backfired and gave Clinton what he wanted, Republicans would have been smarter if they just dropped the whole thing and didn't try to impeach or demand legal action against Clinton. All it did was help the Democrats. Edited June 1, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote
eyeball Posted June 1, 2019 Report Posted June 1, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Doesn't matter who/what you believe... It was why I should believe you guys that I was curious. You Yzer seem to be in agreement about different things. You see that a lot of that around here these days. 14 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Because Clinton was facing indictment after he left office because of tangled misdeeds way back in Arkansas. So he was found guilty of these misdeeds without being charged, that's why he needed punishing? Edited June 1, 2019 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted June 1, 2019 Report Posted June 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: All minor punishment backfired and gave Clinton what he wanted, Republicans would have been smarter if they just dropped the whole thing and didn't try to impeach or demand legal action against Clinton. Apparently they couldn't back out because of the deal he got with prosecutors over the misdeeds way back in Arkansas. Those most have been some pretty egregious misdeeds wouldn't you think? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Yzermandius19 Posted June 1, 2019 Report Posted June 1, 2019 Just now, eyeball said: Apparently they couldn't back out because of the deal he got with prosecutors over the misdeeds way back in Arkansas. Those most have been some pretty egregious misdeeds wouldn't you think? They could have not impeached him, they could have not gone into a partisan witch hunt, and turning Americans against them. That was their choice, and it was a poor one, and if Democrats keep going down the same road and refusing to let it go, it will backfire even more than it already has on them. Quote
eyeball Posted June 1, 2019 Report Posted June 1, 2019 Maybe you guys should take a few minutes to PM each other and get your stories straight, like I said its why I should believe you that I'm curious about. What happened is clearly neither here nor there. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Yzermandius19 Posted June 1, 2019 Report Posted June 1, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, eyeball said: Maybe you guys should take a few minutes to PM each other and get your stories straight, like I said its why I should believe you that I'm curious about. What happened is clearly neither here nor there. Our stories are straight, me and bushcheney agree, your reading comprehension clearly isn't very good. Edited June 1, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 1, 2019 Report Posted June 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, eyeball said: So he was found guilty of these misdeeds before being charged, that's why he needed punishing? Explained here for those who missed it eighteen years ago... https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2001/01/what-sort-of-plea-did-clinton-cop.html Bill Clinton was also found to be in contempt of court. Donald Trump does not have such court findings against him as president. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Hal 9000 Posted June 1, 2019 Report Posted June 1, 2019 45 minutes ago, eyeball said: If you were given that opportunity it might explain how you can say for sure that Trump is as innocent as a newborn baby. How would you know more than most anyone else otherwise? The same way I know whether to trust a used car salesman or not. You can, with near certainty know whats true or not true based on the sales pitch, what has Mueller said and especially not said that tells the truth. If there was any evidence at all, rest assured we'd all know it by now. Muller wanted to throw Trump into the fire, but instead of a testimony, he has a press conference and takes no questions. The Democrats don't want to read the unredacted report, why? Well, that's simple, they know there's nothing there, but if they read it and tell the public that they read it, the jig is up (Schrodinger's cat). Without reading it, they can still stomp their feet and call "cover-up". If they try to impeach Trump, it will simply be to try a perjury trap. This will go from Collusion to obstruction and eventually to perjury if the Dems have their way. This isn't about breaking the law, never was, it's about getting Trump at any cost. BTW - With all Trumps international connections, the fact is; I actually thought Mueller would get something, some minor contact or conversation with some foreign power. The fact that Trump is as clean as he is, is actually a little surprising. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
eyeball Posted June 1, 2019 Report Posted June 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Hal 9000 said: The fact that Trump is as clean as he is, is actually a little surprising. Putin didn't leave a stain I guess. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Hal 9000 Posted June 1, 2019 Report Posted June 1, 2019 1 minute ago, eyeball said: Putin didn't leave a stain I guess. And Trump didn't stick a stogie where stogies should go. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
eyeball Posted June 1, 2019 Report Posted June 1, 2019 7 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Explained here for those who missed it eighteen years ago... https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2001/01/what-sort-of-plea-did-clinton-cop.html Bill Clinton was also found to be in contempt of court. Donald Trump does not have such court findings against him as president. Quote How exactly the deal was brokered is not clear. How did Republican impeachers miss the memo that Clinton had been punished? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 1, 2019 Report Posted June 1, 2019 Sorry, but all the Trump haters in the U.S. and Canada are just going to have to try harder. They could not stop him during the presidential primaries...not even Canadian Ted Cruz stood a chance...Trump destroyed them all. They could not stop him during the televised debates. They could not stop him on election night. They could not stop him when the Electoral College voted. They could not stop him on inauguration day. ...and they cannot stop him now. Best advice: regroup and try again in 2020. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted June 1, 2019 Report Posted June 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said: And Trump didn't stick a stogie where stogies should go. Apparently not or he would have bragged about it by now. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 1, 2019 Report Posted June 1, 2019 Just now, eyeball said: How did Republican impeachers miss the memo that Clinton had been punished? Bill Clinton was impeached before prosecutor Ray made the deal. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Yzermandius19 Posted June 1, 2019 Report Posted June 1, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Sorry, but all the Trump haters in the U.S. and Canada are just going to have to try harder. They could not stop him during the presidential primaries...not even Canadian Ted Cruz stood a chance...Trump destroyed them all. They could not stop him during the televised debates. They could not stop him on election night. They could not stop him when the Electoral College voted. They could not stop him on inauguration day. ...and they cannot stop him now. Best advice: regroup and try again in 2020. Best advice: Tank in 2020 by picking a far-lefty to show how unelectable they are going forward, then regroup in 2024 when you don't have to run into an "Incumbent POTUS with a booming economy" buzzsaw. Edited June 1, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote
eyeball Posted June 1, 2019 Report Posted June 1, 2019 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Sorry, but all the Trump haters in the U.S. and Canada are just going to have to try harder. They could not stop him during the presidential primaries...not even Canadian Ted Cruz stood a chance...Trump destroyed them all. They could not stop him during the televised debates. They could not stop him on election night. They could not stop him when the Electoral College voted. They could not stop him on inauguration day. ...and they cannot stop him now. Best advice: regroup and try again in 2020. Like I said a couple of years ago, it'll be an inside job. kinda like how Joe Pesci got it in Goodfella's. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 1, 2019 Report Posted June 1, 2019 Just now, eyeball said: Like I said a couple of years ago, it'll be an inside job. kinda like how Joe Pesci got it in Goodfella's. Trump's enemies are far more incompetent than that....they think virtue signaling conquers all. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Yzermandius19 Posted June 1, 2019 Report Posted June 1, 2019 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: Trump's enemies are far more incompetent than that....they think virtue signaling conquers all. Yeah Trump's enemies lack the competency to pull it off, all they have is Orange Man Bad. Quote
eyeball Posted June 1, 2019 Report Posted June 1, 2019 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Bill Clinton was impeached before prosecutor Ray made the deal. Walked right into that one didn't I? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted June 1, 2019 Report Posted June 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Trump's enemies are far more incompetent than that....they think virtue signaling conquers all. Meaning Trumps friends are still his bigger challenge. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
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