Yzermandius19 Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Boges said: That's a defendable personal opinion to have, and I think you're sharing Trump's view here. But those GOP Warmongers are the one's that are going to keep Trump from being removed from office. Polls seem to show Impeachment is actually not all that unpopular. Then why are Democrats backing off if it's so popular then? They can't even get the votes in their own party to go along with it, let alone get the GOP warmongers onside. Guess it's not so popular after all and wishful thinking is a helluva drug. Edited October 17, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 23 hours ago, WestCanMan said: C'mon Rue. You saw how Obama stacked the deck against Trump in the exact same way. You saw Hillary pay off foreigners for election dirt. You know how dirty Hunter/Joe's dealings are. 1) Stop acting like Trump is doing something that no one else did. 2) You need to acknowledge the fact that no collusion evidence was ever found, so Trump was investigated while he was innocent. There's no chance that Biden is innocent. His son pulled in $2B in business/salary from countries where his dad was heavily involved as VP. It reeks like a week old fish. Your since others are dishonest Trump can be argument is illogical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Rue said: Your since others are dishonest Trump can be argument is illogical. A politician was dishonest? Shocking! BREAKING NEWS: A POLITICIAN LIED Stop The Presses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) 23 hours ago, WestCanMan said: C'mon Rue. You saw how Obama stacked the deck against Trump in the exact same way. You saw Hillary pay off foreigners for election dirt. You know how dirty Hunter/Joe's dealings are. 1) Stop acting like Trump is doing something that no one else did. 2) You need to acknowledge the fact that no collusion evidence was ever found, so Trump was investigated while he was innocent. There's no chance that Biden is innocent. His son pulled in $2B in business/salary from countries where his dad was heavily involved as VP. It reeks like a week old fish. You missed the point. If Biden did anything illegal the US President cannot get personally involved and use his office to investigate or leverage foreign aid id to force other nations to investigate Biden ecause of clear constitutional law limitations prohibiting such behaviour as well as a direct conflict of interest. Breaking the law to enforce it is nonsensical and this s your position in defence of Trump. Also please save your attempt to portray Trump as a saint fighting corruption on behalf of the US. It's absurd. Edited October 17, 2019 by Rue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: A politician was dishonest? Shocking! BREAKING NEWS: A POLITICIAN LIED Stop The Presses. It's not news. Trump supporters justifying it when Trump does it by arguing others are dishonest is illogical. That was the point. Edited October 17, 2019 by Rue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Rue said: It's not news. Trump supporters justifying it when Trump does it by arguing others are dishonest is illogical. That was the point. Politicians should be graded on a curve, compared to other politicians, not compared to saints. Politicians lying is all in the game. If the best attack you have on a politician is that they lie, you've got nothing and are grasping for straws. Get a better line of attack, pro tip. Edited October 17, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Politicians should be graded on a curve, compared to other politicians, not compared to saints. Curve? You mean break the law. Politicians should be expected to follow the law and be held to the same ethical and legal standards as you and I. I am n Saint and neither are you for following the law. Edited October 17, 2019 by Rue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Rue said: Curve? You mean break the law. Politicians should be expected to follow the law and be held to the same ethical and legal standards as you and I. I am n Saint and neither are you for following the law. Trump hasn't broken the law. Lying isn't against the law, unless you do it under oath, and they have proof that you lied. Even then, impeaching a President for that has historically backfired on the party attempting to impeach them, so you might want to tread lightly. Edited October 17, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: Trump hasn't broken the law. Lying isn't against the law, unless you do it under oath, and they have proof that you lied Trump has not been proven in court to be guilty of anything at this time yes. Lying is unehcal but clearly you have no problems with his repeat lies or the criminals who hot him elected or the criminal behaviour of Rudy,s law firm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Rue said: Trump has not been proven in court to be guilty of anything at this time yes. Lying is unehcal but clearly you have no problems with his repeat lies or the criminals who hot him elected or the criminal behaviour of Rudy,s law firm. Lying is what politicians do. If you don't lie, you don't get elected. Welcome to politics, noob. "The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination" - Elim Garak Garak Knows. Edited October 17, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 46 minutes ago, Rue said: Your since others are dishonest Trump can be argument is illogical. No I'm not. I'm saying that the people who are accusing Trump of this did worse themselves. Technically, by legal statutes, that doesn't make Trump any less guilty, but in the court of public opinion it makes his actions reasonable. What a reasonable person would do is the standard for judging civil cases where's there's no set-in-stone precedent. In order for Trump to be charged criminally the Dems would have to be subjected to the same set of rules and there's already undisputed evidence that they're guilty of doing these exact things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: No I'm not. I'm saying that the people who are accusing Trump of this did worse themselves. Technically, by legal statutes, that doesn't make Trump any less guilty, but in the court of public opinion it makes his actions reasonable. What a reasonable person would do is the standard for judging civil cases where's there's no set-in-stone precedent. In order for Trump to be charged criminally the Dems would have to be subjected to the same set of rules and there's already undisputed evidence that they're guilty of doing these exact things. What we are dealing with are the limitations of Presidential actions defined by the US Constitution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 44 minutes ago, Rue said: You missed the point. If Biden did anything illegal the US President cannot get personally involved and use his office to investigate or leverage foreign aid id to force other nations to investigate Biden ecause of clear constitutional law limitations prohibiting such behaviour as well as a direct conflict of interest. Breaking the law to enforce it is nonsensical and this s your position in defence of Trump. Also please save your attempt to portray Trump as a saint fighting corruption on behalf of the US. It's absurd. You're just speculating that Trump started this investigation purely for election purposes, based on the speculation made by the "whistleblower". That's not something that will stand up in court. Just the knowledge that Biden committed a crime is enough reason for Trump to have him investigated. Trump was investigated with far less direct evidence than that which existed about Biden at the time that Trump made the call. It's actually bordering on Banana Republic justice to start an investigation into Trump when there was zero direct evidence linking Trump to Russian collusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 Just now, Rue said: What we are dealing with are the limitations of Presidential actions defined by the US Constitution. Obama did all the same things in 2016 and you and the dems don't care at all. Your hypocrisy is disqualifying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Rue said: What we are dealing with are the limitations of Presidential actions defined by the US Constitution. What part of the constitution did he violate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Obama did all the same things in 2016 and you and the dems don't care at all. Your hypocrisy is disqualifying. I do not defend anything Obama did. Two wrongs do not make a right and there are many different things that O and T did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: What part of the constitution did he violate? Sorry on the run I will respond later w and y Edited October 17, 2019 by Rue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) Trump negotiates a ceasefire in Syria. What now haters? How you gonna spin this into Orange Man Bad? Edited October 17, 2019 by Yzermandius19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Rue said: Sorry on the run I will respond later w and y This ought to be a laugh, Canadians always expose their ignorance when they start yapping about constitutional law, Canadians don't even know what their own constitution says, never mind America's. Fake country clown college Canada gonna tell the world about America, yeah okay sure, go eat a bag of dicks, Jewish Bolshevik Conspiracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) Can't wait for the Haters to show up and give Putin all the credit for the Syrian ceasefire, after years of making him into the boogeyman, and attacking Trump for saying anything positive about him. That flip flop will be something else. Cognitive Dissonance is a helluva drug. The Orange Man will always be bad, no matter what he does, they will go through all kinds of pretzel logic to refuse to give Trump any credit. Edited October 17, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Rue said: I do not defend anything Obama did. Two wrongs do not make a right and there are many different things that O and T did. This is all important from the POV that Trump's impeachment hinges on the Dems convincing the Republicans that certain rules apply to Trump but not to Hillary, Obama, or anyone else. The Dems won't put anything to a vote because there's no value in a failed vote and they know they have no hope of winning. There is however immense value in a drawn-out, public farce of an investigation that gets 24/7 coverage from the usual suspects in the MSM who are complicit with all the Dems bogus accusations. IE, Russian collusion, Trump dementia, Dr Ford's fake attempted rape charge, obstruction, Biden's are pure, etc, etc, etc. Did you see A-Cooper's question at the debates last night? "Joe, we all know that you and Hunter are innocent of the fake accusations by Trump, how do you respond....?" Or whatever, that was basically it. It was a complete exoneration by MSM in the form of a question, with an open invitation to make an accusation against a person who wasn't there to defend himself, and the accusation from Biden was left to stand as if it had total merit lol. "The other guy needs to be investigated! Don't investigate us! The media already said that we're innocent. What more could you possibly need?!?!?!?" It was media bias in it's most disgusting form ever. If communist China's official media gave Xi the same type of "question" that Biden got you'd laugh your ass off. CNN is a massive farce of a "news" network which makes no attempt whatsoever at integrity, and anyone who watches it regularly is a total moron. There are no excuses left. They've been dead wrong, on every topic that they've bombarded their brainwashed minions with, for 3 straight years now. Anyone who doesn't question it by now never will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 5 hours ago, Boges said: This move will actually provide for a resurgence in ISIS. I guess isolationists don't care. I don't think that's an opinion shared by a majority of Americans. Last night GOP Congressman actually joined the Dems in condemning this move. Obviously Canada doesn't care, as Trudeau brought home strike fighters and support aircraft long ago. And stopped military support for Kurds after promising same. So please explain to me why Trump has to stay in Syria, but Canada and many other "allied" nations do not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said: Trump negotiates a ceasefire in Syria. What now haters? How you gonna spin this into Orange Man Bad? Did the massive slaughter that the Dems and their media cohorts were relying on happen? They will be sorely disappointed if it didn't. They were praying hard for a pile of dead Kurds so that they could claim an epic win against trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Obviously Canada doesn't care, as Trudeau brought home strike fighters and support aircraft long ago. And stopped military support for Kurds after promising same. So please explain to me why Trump has to stay in Syria, but Canada and many other "allied" nations do not. But, but, but, that's not important!!!!!! Trudeau's reputation is beyond reproach!!! Everything that Trump does is extremely evil until proven to be averagely evil! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 Get U.S. forces out of Syria, and stop the interventions started by Obama with the Arms-For-Rebels® program. Congress never authorized troops in Syria, but now they are bitching because Trump removed them ? No U.S. interests are served by occupying parts of Syria, or going to war with a NATO ally. The ISIS excuse won't work anymore. Syria was a mess long before Trump was ever elected, and if Russia can fix it, good for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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