Owly Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: You aren't waiting for the report, you are making assumptions long before the report, and you will cling to those assumptions after, regardless if they have no proof of Trump's guilt. Trump can't prove his innocence, so you will assume guilt no matter what, guilty until proven innocent. Trumps endless lying should make most people suspect he might just be guilty of something. But once again, I await the report, and the SDNY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 How Obama spied on the Trump campaign....and Hillary still lost the election. Quote At this point in time, at least five different methods that the Obama administration used to spy on the Trump campaign have been made public: 1. FISA Warrant: Former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page was targeted with a FISA warrant by the FBI in October 2016. The warrant was subsequently renewed three times for 90-day periods. Other members of the Trump campaign might have had FISA warrants on them, as well. 2. Unmasking: Hundreds of so-called unmasking requests were made for the identities of members of the Trump campaign in intelligence reports. The House Intelligence Committee has so far identified Obama’s national security adviser Susan Rice, Ambassador to the U.N. Samantha Power, and former CIA Director John Brennan, as having filed such requests. 3. Undercover Informant: The FBI used Stefan Halper, an undercover agent, to infiltrate the Trump campaign. He contacted Trump campaign associates Carter Page and George Papadopoulos. Halper has ties to the CIA, as well as MI6. 4. National Security Letters: The use of national security letters to target the Trump campaign was first revealed by officials to The New York Times in a May 16, 2018, article. National security letters allow the FBI to secretly subpoena customer records from banks, phone companies, internet service providers, and others. 5. Foreign Intelligence: British intelligence agency GCHQ provided officials within the CIA with information on the Trump campaign as early as late 2015, The Guardian reported in April 2017. Then-head of GCHQ Robert Hannigan also provided Brennan with sensitive information on the Trump campaign on a “director level” in the summer of 2016. 6. Reverse Targeting: Brennan admitted in an Aug. 17, 2018, interview with MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow that the CIA had obtained the communications of Americans associated with the Trump campaign through what appears to have been the use of reverse targeting. “We call it incidental collection in terms of CIA’s foreign intelligence collection authorities,” Brennan said. https://www.theepochtimes.com/how-obamas-officials-spied-on-trump_2876266.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 Just now, Owly said: Trumps endless lying should make most people suspect he might just be guilty of something. But once again, I await the report, and the SDNY. All politicians endlessly lie, that doesn't mean they are guilty of a criminal conspiracy, or obstruction of justice. The only reason you say you are waiting on the report, is because you think it will prove Trump's guilt, but when it doesn't, you will move the goalposts and say the Mueller Report isn't to be believed, guilty until proven innocent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owly Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: All politicians endlessly lie, that doesn't mean they are guilty of a criminal conspiracy, or obstruction of justice. The only reason you say you are waiting on the report, is because you think it will prove Trump's guilt, but when it doesn't, you will move the goalposts and say the Mueller Report isn't to be believed, guilty until proven innocent. I think we all know Trump has 'em all beat when it comes to blatant lies. He's not even smart enough to try and cover up his. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Owly said: I think we all know Trump has 'em all beat when it comes to blatant lies. He's not even smart enough to try and cover up his. You think wrong. Trump doesn't have them beat, the media just focuses more on his lies, or jokes that they pretend are lies, because they hate Republicans. The media acts like every Republican president is the biggest liar to ever come along, until the next Republican POTUS comes along, and every time, they are full of shit. Edited April 12, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owly Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: You think wrong. Trump doesn't have them beat, the media just focuses more on his lies, because they hate Republicans. The media like every Republican president is the biggest liar to ever come along, until the next Republican POTUS comes along. Perhaps you missed his latest today, spewing out that he "knows nothing about wikileaks" when he told ud sll sbout how "I love wikileaks" when he was campaigning. Maybe you want to give him a break and just chock it up to his failing mental health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Owly said: Perhaps you missed his latest today, spewing out that he "knows nothing about wikileaks" when he told ud sll sbout how "I love wikileaks" when he was campaigning. Maybe you want to give him a break and just chock it up to his failing mental health. That's a pretty irrelevant lie. See the media just take all the tiny lies that are irrelevant, throw in a bunch of obvious jokes, stack them up, and act like he's the biggest liar ever. They didn't do that to Obama though, though they could have. Edited April 12, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owly Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: That's a pretty irrelevant lie. See the media just take all the tiny lies that are irrelevant, throw in a bunch of obvious jokes, stack them up, and act like he's the biggest liar ever. They didn't do that to Obama though, though they could have. The facts prove you're wrong, but keep flailing. And not only does he lie continiously, he stoops so low as to brag about sexual assault. He has a number of suits for similar action awaiting him. Not somebody I would support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Owly said: The facts prove you're wrong, but keep flailing. And not only does he lie continiously, he stoops so low as to brag about sexual assault. He has a number of suits for similar action awaiting him. Not somebody I would support. Really, you don't like Trump? I never could have guessed, lulz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owly Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Really, you don't like Trump? I never could have guessed, lulz. You go ahead and like him all you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Owly said: You go ahead and like him all you want. Secret President of Canada making it rain ftw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owly Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 9 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Secret President of Canada making it rain ftw. He'll likely head back to Russia to get "rained on" again. Malania probably doesn't get off on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Owly said: He'll likely head back to Russia to get "rained on" again. Malania probably doesn't get off on that. If you believe that golden showers thing, then you really will grasp at any straw to attack Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owly Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: If you believe that golden showers thing, then you really will grasp at any straw to attack Trump. Well he spoke on record that he believes Putin over and above the 17 divisions of the US intelligence network, so why wouldn't he also imbibe in Putin's version f hospitality? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Owly said: Well he spoke on record that he believes Putin over and above the 17 divisions of the US intelligence network, so why wouldn't he also imbibe in Putin's version f hospitality? Because there is no evidence of it, and it sounds completely ridiculous on the face of it. Trump said he believed Putin, because people were saying the reason he won the election was Russian interference, and he wanted to dispel that myth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owly Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: Because there is no evidence of it, and it sounds completely ridiculous on the face of it. Trump said he believed Putin, because people were saying the reason he won the election was Russian interference, and he wanted to dispel that myth. Russian interference was not a myth. Whether it helped him win is not clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 12 minutes ago, Owly said: Russian interference was not a myth. Whether it helped him win is not clear. It is clear it didn't help him win, and that's why he sided with Putin, plus buttering up Putin for future negotiations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owly Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: It is clear it didn't help him win, and that's why he sided with Putin, plus buttering up Putin for future negotiations. It certainly didn't help him win the pop. vote, but who knows about the EC. And besides Putin he buttered up fat kim, mbs, all murderous dictators. Good going Donald. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Owly said: It certainly didn't help him win the pop. vote, but who knows about the EC. And besides Putin he buttered up fat kim, mbs, all murderous dictators. Good going Donald. If you're going to negotiate, you don't piss on your negotiation partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owly Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: If you're going to negotiate, you don't piss on your negotiation partner. And you don't say "we fell in love" when you are referring to the likes of kim, or state you are taking to word of the likes of putin over your intel community. If you don't get who mbs is then you really are more out of touch than I thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Owly said: And you don't say "we fell in love" when you are referring to the likes of kim, or state you are taking to word of the likes of putin over your intel community. If you don't get who mbs is then you really are more out of touch than I thought. Praising your negotiation partner is a well known negotiation tactic. You may not understand the art of the deal, but Trump does. Edited April 12, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owly Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: Praising your negotiation partner is a well known negotiation tactic. You may not understand the art of the deal, but Trump does. How come he went bankrupt so many times then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Owly said: How come he went bankrupt so many times then? Lots of rich people go bankrupt, high risk, high reward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owly Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 And so far we have fat kim continuing to build nukes, putin moving west toward Europe, and mbs chopping American journalists to pieces in an embassy. So just WTF is the "art" of his "deal" pray tell? I'll get the popcorn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 Just now, Owly said: And so far we have fat kim continuing to build nukes, putin moving west toward Europe, and mbs chopping American journalists to pieces in an embassy. So just WTF is the "art" of his "deal" pray tell? I'll get the popcorn. The world isn't perfect, so blame Trump for all it's problems. Praising negotiating partners isn't going to fix all the world's problems, but that doesn't mean it doesn't grease the wheels a little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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