Cannucklehead Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 By request: I find it ironic that a president with an education in economics can write such a childish letter to make a deal with a leader bent on genocide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, Cannucklehead said: By request: I find it ironic that a president with an education in economics can write such a childish letter to make a deal with a leader bent on genocide. LOL thinking he has an education in economics. Edited October 21, 2019 by Boges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 On 10/19/2019 at 12:33 PM, Yzermandius19 said: If you are holding out hope that IRS is covering for Trump's criminality, and if the tax returns are released it will be plain for all to see, that's is some serious wishful thinking going on. That's not a thing that is happening, give it up already, if they had anything on him, we'd know it long before he ever ran for President, they are dying to nail him to wall, be real. You Trump Haters really need to learn to pick your battles better instead of always falling for obvious nonsense just because you don't like the guy and want to see him gone, so any conspiracy theory under the sun that results in "Trump being done" is instantly believed no matter how obvious it is that it's bullsh*t. So then, what battle is worth picking? An obvious Quid Pro Quo with a foreign government to dig up dirt on potential political rivals? Bailing on an an ally and allowing them to be slaughtered? Or as noted in your post, the fact that Trump has done everything in his power to keep his tax returns under wraps? What exactly is he hiding? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 This Reversal on Doral and the G7 shows that Trump is being forced the consider his positions based on what GOP Senators, that hold the future of his Presidency in his hands. How often does Trump ever backtrack or admit a mistake? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Boges said: So then, what battle is worth picking? An obvious Quid Pro Quo with a foreign government to dig up dirt on potential political rivals? Bailing on an an ally and allowing them to be slaughtered? Or as noted in your post, the fact that Trump has done everything in his power to keep his tax returns under wraps? What exactly is he hiding? None of those are battles worth picking. If that's the best you got, that's just sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 10 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: None of those are battles worth picking. If that's the best you got, that's just sad. That speaks to your bias. There's nothing Trump can do that'll get you to turn on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 Again, four laws that the Ukraine thing could have broken. https://www.businessinsider.com/laws-trump-could-have-broken-ukraine-whistleblower-case-2019-9 The talking point that this didn't break any laws is nonsense. And now that a Quid Pro Quo has been established, that argument goes out the window as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 12 minutes ago, Boges said: That speaks to your bias. There's nothing Trump can do that'll get you to turn on him. Why is it so important to have anyone "turn on him" ? Let the process play out....Trump is just another U.S. president. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 10 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Why is it so important to have anyone "turn on him" ? Let the process play out....Trump is just another U.S. president. Just a response that all these revelations are much ado about nothing. The process should play out, and is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, Boges said: Just a response that all these revelations are much ado about nothing. They are much ado about politics...same as always. Most Americans don't give a crap/thought about The Ukraine. Nothing special about Trump's "revelations". Hell, Trump could run again in 2020 even if he is impeached and convicted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Hell, Trump could run again in 2020 even if he is impeached and convicted. That would be very entertaining. If this is all about politics, then the incorrect defence that withholding congressional funds for political favours isn't a crime is irrelevant. Edited October 21, 2019 by Boges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannucklehead Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 30 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: They are much ado about politics...same as always. Most Americans don't give a crap/thought about The Ukraine. Nothing special about Trump's "revelations". Hell, Trump could run again in 2020 even if he is impeached and convicted. And yet trump begged them and china ( who he started a trade war with) to investigate Biden. Rofl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Boges said: That speaks to your bias. There's nothing Trump can do that'll get you to turn on him. Sure there is, he just hasn't done it yet, and you are grasping at straws, which speaks to your bias. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Sure there is, he just hasn't done it yet, and you are grasping at straws, which speaks to your bias. Did you read the four potential crimes Trump committed. How exactly is that grasping at straws? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) Just now, Boges said: Did you read the four potential crimes Trump committed. How exactly is that grasping at straws? There are no evidence of crimes. Potential means jack squat, innocent until proven guilty. Edited October 21, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: There are no evidence of crimes. Potential means jack squat, innocent until proven guilty. In an Impeachment Inquiry and Trial. It seems you've already made your judgement. Also as BC2004 and I agree. In political opinion. https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/19/politics/impeachment-poll-of-the-week/index.html Quote Poll of the week: A new Quinnipiac University poll shows that 51% of voters nationwide approve of the House's impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump. That compares with 45% who disapprove of it. The Quinnipiac poll is the latest that shows a majority of the public supports the impeachment inquiry. What's the point: One of the biggest questions when House Speaker Nancy Pelosi declared an impeachment inquiry last month was whether the American public would get behind it. Back in August, only 41% of Americans said in a Monmouth University poll that an impeachment inquiry would be a good idea. That's clearly changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Boges said: In an Impeachment Inquiry and Trial. It seems you've already made your judgement. Also as BC2004 and I agree. In political opinion. https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/19/politics/impeachment-poll-of-the-week/index.html Hilarious how the pollsters moved the goalposts from supporting or not supporting impeachment, to supporting or not supporting an inquiry, to make it look more popular than it actually is. They will find nothing in an impeachment inquiry that will warrant impeaching Trump, whether they impeach him or not. It's all political theater. If they impeach him with no evidence, it will simply backfire on the Democrats, even if they have some evidence, it will likely also backfire, bring it on. Right now, the Democrats are too scared to even vote on an impeachment inquiry, despite a majority in the house. Edited October 21, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Hilarious how the pollsters moved the goalposts from supporting or not supporting impeachment, to supporting or not supporting an inquiry, to make it look more popular than it actually is. They will find nothing in an impeachment inquiry that will warrant impeaching Trump, whether they impeach him or not. If they impeach him with no evidence, it will simply backfire on the Democrats, bring it on. They have plenty of evidence already. And a full slate of witnesses backing up the claim that Trump and Guiliani were trying to used needed Military Aid to leverage Ukraine to politically damage Joe Biden. It's funny, there was an interview with Lindsey Graham on the HBO show Axios last night. He was asked what could change his opinion on the Ukraine affair. He said if they can establish a Quid Pro Quo. https://nypost.com/2019/10/21/lindsey-graham-says-hes-open-to-impeachment-if-proof-of-quid-pro-quo-emerges/ Quote “Sure. I mean … show me something that … is a crime,” Graham said in an interview on “Axios on HBO” that aired Sunday. “If you could show me that, you know, Trump actually was engaging in a quid pro quo, outside the phone call, that would be very disturbing.” The interview was obviously done before the WH Chief of Staff admitted to a Quid Pro Quo. Edited October 21, 2019 by Boges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 Just now, Boges said: They have plenty of evidence already. And a full slate of witnesses backing up the claim that Trump and Guiliani were trying to use Ukraine to politically damage Joe Biden. It's funny, there was an interview with Lindsey Graham on the HBO show Axios last night. He was asked what could change his opinion on the Ukraine affair. He said if they can establish a Quid Pro Quo. https://nypost.com/2019/10/21/lindsey-graham-says-hes-open-to-impeachment-if-proof-of-quid-pro-quo-emerges/ The interview was obviously done before the WH Chief of Staff admitted to a Quid Pro Quo. They have no evidence. They have wishful thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said: They have no evidence. They have wishful thinking. Nope just transcripts where Trump asks for dirt on the Dems and Biden, Diplomats testifying that they were pressured to use the Military aide as leverage and the WH Chief of Staff admitting the funds were withheld for political purposes. No evidence at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 8 minutes ago, Boges said: Nope just transcripts where Trump asks for dirt on the Dems and Biden, Diplomats testifying that they were pressured to use the Military aide as leverage and the WH Chief of Staff admitting the funds were withheld for political purposes. No evidence at all. Can't prove the quid pro quo was about Biden. Can't prove why the military aid was withheld. Can't prove that asking to look into corruption is only to go after Biden. No evidence at all indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Boges said: The process should play out, and is. The process includes finding out why Hunter Biden was the beneficiary of so much business from state-owned entities in China and a company under investigation by his father Joe Biden (yes, Joe, seeing as he appears to have had oversight over the whole prosecutorial process) in Ukraine. That's what process is about - investigating things that need to be investigated on both sides of the aisle. Your idea of due process comes from CNN, that's just blatantly stupid. You should know by now that CNN is nothing but a propaganda wing for the Dems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 31 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Can't prove the quid pro quo was about Biden. Can't prove why the military aid was withheld. Can't prove that asking to look into corruption is only to go after Biden. No evidence at all indeed. Just that the Chief of Staff said the withheld money political influence and that it happens all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Boges said: Just that the Chief of Staff said the withheld money political influence and that it happens all the time. He didn't say why, and yeah it does happen all the time, every single President did it, all the damn time. You have wishful thinking, and that's all you have. Edited October 21, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 25 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: The process includes finding out why Hunter Biden was the beneficiary of so much business from state-owned entities in China and a company under investigation by his father Joe Biden (yes, Joe, seeing as he appears to have had oversight over the whole prosecutorial process) in Ukraine. That's what process is about - investigating things that need to be investigated on both sides of the aisle. Your idea of due process comes from CNN, that's just blatantly stupid. You should know by now that CNN is nothing but a propaganda wing for the Dems. So it's OK to withhold Congressionally approved military funds to fight off a Russian invasion to get the ball rolling on said investigation? Is "The Ends Justify the Means" a defence against a crime? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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