Are we going to admit Universities are producing thin-skinned people?

[BC_chick]

What if we worked together and you said you want to be called Illustrious Argus and I kept calling you Mr. Dinosaur instead?

Would you stop being so damn over sensitive about it?

[Boges]

3 minutes ago, BC_chick said:

What if we worked together and you said you want to be called Illustrious Argus and I kept calling you Mr. Dinosaur instead?

Would you stop being so damn over sensitive about it?

So you're conflating outright insults with adding a variety of new pronouns someone must memorize in case a student feels they want to be identified that way? And failure to do so would result in some sort of punishment? 

[TimG]

21 minutes ago, BC_chick said:

What if we worked together and you said you want to be called Illustrious Argus and I kept calling you Mr. Dinosaur instead?

Apples and oranges. You are choosing an appellation intended to be insulting. If you want to compare it to the pronoun question you would insist on calling him Mr. Argus. 

The pronoun issue is not about rights. It is about a group of narcissists with inflated egos who think the rest of society should be forced to pander to their delusions. There is no scenario where this is a reasonable thing to expect.

 

Edited November 22, 2016 by TimG

[BC_chick]

 

9 minutes ago, Boges said:

So you're conflating outright insults with adding a variety of new pronouns someone must memorize in case a student feels they want to be identified that way? And failure to do so would result in some sort of punishment? 

He conflated transgender pronouns with 'Illustrious Argus' so yes, I had to answer in kind.  

 

2 minutes ago, TimG said:

Apples and Oranges. You are choosing an appellation intended to be insulting. If you want to compare it to the pronoun question you would insist on calling him Mr. Argus. 

The pronoun issue is not about rights. It is about a group of narcissists with inflated egos who think the rest of society should be forced to pander to their delusions. There is no scenario where this is a reasonable thing to expect.

 

Again, it was him who insisted on being called Illustrious Argus, not me.  Why would I call him Mr. Argus.  

And yes, it is absolutely a human right to be accepted for gender non-conformity.  It's not up to YOU to decide.

[Wilber]

25 minutes ago, BC_chick said:

What if we worked together and you said you want to be called Illustrious Argus and I kept calling you Mr. Dinosaur instead?

Would you stop being so damn over sensitive about it?

Get rid of pronouns altogether when addressing others. We can all be equally insulted.

[TimG]

Just now, BC_chick said:

And yes, it is absolutely a human right to be accepted for gender non-conformity.  It's not up to YOU to decide.

Nonsense. That is just garbage invented by SJW intent in imposing their religion on the rest of society (SJW are worst than any god-based-religion when it comes to intolerance).

Forcing people to use designer pronouns will not lead to acceptance. It will simply lead to contempt and derision. If people want respect they have to earn by treating others with respect. Forcing people to use nonsense words is not something that shows respect for others.

[Boges]

 

It does seem like something kind of made up. 

I'm going to create my own gender because male and/or female don't speak to me. And if you do refer to me as either of the two that relate to definable sexes it's a human rights violation?

Edited November 22, 2016 by Boges

[DogOnPorch]

The Age of Ridiculousness is upon us.

[Wilber]

Calling someone something they don't want to be called, might be harassment.

Not calling someone something they want to be called is not harassment.

Forcing someone say something they don't want to say is most definitely a violation of their rights.

[Argus]

2 hours ago, BC_chick said:

What if we worked together and you said you want to be called Illustrious Argus and I kept calling you Mr. Dinosaur instead?

Would you stop being so damn over sensitive about it?

But we're going by YOUR rules, not mine. I"m happy enough to be called by the old standard "he" (though I do feel like I'm a lesbian on the inside). You're the one who wants us to embrace a whole host of new descriptors based entirely on the self-identification of the individual. So as an individual, if I want to use "illustrious" as my descriptor you should, given your claim of respect for this nonsense, be willing to indulge me.

 

[Guest]

5 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

The Age of Ridiculousness is upon us.

No kidding, Loretta!

[Michael Hardner]

Isn't there an easy third way for this ?

Person 1: I want to be called 'she'.

Person 2: I think you are a man, so I won't call you 'she'.  Can I call you 'he' ?

Person 1: No, I don't like that.

Person 2: Well, I won't call you 'she' so I will just call you neither then.

Person 1: Fine, moving on.

[Boges]

When I was in High School sports, I remember the coach would call us "ladies". I wonder if there are policies in place now that would cause that coach his job today. 

Edited November 23, 2016 by Boges

[Wilber]

35 minutes ago, Boges said:

When I was in High School sports, I remember the coach would call us "ladies". I would if there are policies in place now that would cause that coach his job today. 

I remember that as well. No councillors available when we left the locker room there.

 

Now that I think of it, "ladies" was a favourite term of drill sergeants in cadets as well. No councillors there either.'

Edited November 23, 2016 by Wilber
Addition

[Boges]

33 minutes ago, Wilber said:

I remember that as well. No councillors available when we left the locker room there.

 

Now that I think of it, "ladies" was a favourite term of drill sergeants in cadets as well. No councillors there either.'

How did we survive? 

[Wilber]

9 minutes ago, Boges said:

How did we survive? 

Don't know. Turned us all into homophobic pigs obviously.

[Boges]

How about this about Snowflake University students not wanting to hear from people they don't like. 

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2016/11/22/speech-scheduled-for-ghomeshis-lawyer-sparks-debate.html

Quote

 

ANTIGONISH, N.S.—The choice of Jian Ghomeshi’s lawyer as a speaker at four Canadian universities is sparking debate on one Nova Scotia campus.

Marie Henein, a prominent Toronto defence lawyer, is scheduled to speak at Bishop’s University in February, with the presentation live-streamed to St. Francis Xavier, Acadia and Mount Allison universities.

Jasmine Cormier, a student at St. Francis Xavier in Antigonish, N.S., has written an article in that university’s weekly newspaper, saying Henein’s selection serves to silence victims and perpetuate rape culture.

“After all the controversy last year surrounding this trial and all the controversial things she said about women and victims and survivors in the past, it’s such a disservice to students who are victims of sexual violence, who should feel safe coming forward, especially on a university campus,” Cormier said in an interview.

Lucille Harper, executive director of the Antigonish Women’s Resource Centre, said the choice of Henein minimizes the issue of sexualized violence and ignores its pervasiveness across campuses.

“They ignore the fact that in bringing this person in, you are potentially retraumatizing students on your campus who have experienced sexual violence, or making it really clear as to what might happen should you come forward and disclose sexual violence to the police and go forward through a criminal justice system, that you may very well be facing someone like Marie Heinen,” Harper said.

So a successful female lawyer is a trigger for women because she SUCCESSFULLY defended a man who was accused of sexual assault. Henein didn't assault anyone!!!

Woman will turn on other women because they competently did there job? Astounding!

Edited November 23, 2016 by Boges

[TimG]

14 minutes ago, Boges said:

So a successful female lawyer is a trigger for women because she SUCCESSFULLY defended a man who was accused of sexual assault. Henein didn't assault anyone!!!

No only that. She defended him by exposing his accusers as people who lied to the police. 

If the accusers had simply told the truth from the start the prosecutor could have explained the inconsistencies and still achieved a conviction. Yet these yahoos want to blame the lawyer for the failings of the accusers.  If these people had a brain they would use this woman's talk as an opportunity to educate women about how the process works and how their actions when interacting with the system can affect whether a conviction is achieved. 

[Guest]

Honestly, at a University.  The one place where debate should rule over all.  They could debate her on whether only some people, not all, should have the right to due process.

[Michael Hardner]

Noting that the article says the article is *sparking* debate.

 

I can't click through- are the student s trying to ban the speaker?

[Boges]

48 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Noting that the article says the article is *sparking* debate.

I can't click through- are the student s trying to ban the speaker?

The lady who wrote the article is hinting at it. 

I guess if it's just an article, it's nothing to see here. But we've seen that Universities use these buzz words like "trigger" "rape culture" "safe space" to ban people speaking. We'll see if the national media attention this one ladies story has brought, will cause a reaction either way. 

[Bryan]

23 hours ago, cybercoma said:

So you're doing gene tests on people before determining what pronoun to use for them? Do you ask for a blood, hair, or skin sample? What kind of lab equipment are you using? Inquiring minds want to know.

They should have to provide such test results themselves if they want to people to refer to them by some made up term.

[mowich]

On 2016-11-23 at 6:39 AM, Boges said:

The lady who wrote the article is hinting at it. 

I guess if it's just an article, it's nothing to see here. But we've seen that Universities use these buzz words like "trigger" "rape culture" "safe space" to ban people speaking. We'll see if the national media attention this one ladies story has brought, will cause a reaction either way. 

The MSM does not seem to be too interested Boges.  I did several searches trying to follow up on the article.  I finally came across this website which is the official student newspaper for St Francis Xavier university - one of the unis to be a recipient of the satellite transmission of Ms Henein's talk - Bishop University in Antigonish, NS is the hosting body.  Unless you have a strong stomach, I'd bypass the article and read the comments at the bottom of the page.  I'm glad I did as it was refreshing to read articulate commentary upholding the need for open debate on our university campuses. 

http://www.mogaznews.com/en/World-News/259895.html

[?Impact]

On 11/23/2016 at 8:21 AM, Boges said:

How about this about Snowflake University students not wanting to hear from people they don't like. 

So a successful female lawyer is a trigger for women because she SUCCESSFULLY defended a man who was accused of sexual assault. Henein didn't assault anyone!!!

Woman will turn on other women because they competently did there job? Astounding!

Sounds like all those snowflakes who supported Trump because Clinton successfully defended a rapist. 

[TimG]

3 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

Sounds like all those snowflakes who supported Trump because Clinton successfully defended a rapist. 

Don't think that any Trump supporter cared about that. All that rhetoric did is encourage some Dem supporters to stay home instead of voting for her.