Another Terrorist Attack in Canada

WestCanMan · April 4, 2016

You have to be ISIS to be terrorist?

You have to be Muslim to be terrorist?

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Non-Muslim Americans and Canadians alike have been charged with and found guilty of committing terrorist acts when they committed terrorist acts.

Timothy McVay in Oklahoma, the FLQ...

In the case of Dwight Hammond and his son, they were charged under the terrorism act (USA) when they didn't even commit a terrorist act. They started some fires that spread from their farm onto gov't land. It was actually quite ridiculous, noone was hurt, noone was close to being hurt, there was never an attempt to injure anyone but they were charged with committing a terrorist act because prosecutors felt like it was their best chance to get a lengthy conviction.

It shouldn't be up to me to teach you all of this. If you did a modicum of research to get up to speed on the topic and used a bit of common sense it would have saved you the trouble of writing your last 5 posts here.

WestCanMan · April 4, 2016

The lefty meme that Muslim violence is because of western interference or discrimination or alienation or something else - ANYTHING but due to religion, ignores the fact so many other nations, regions and communities are worse off but don't resort to indiscriminate violence.

As usual, Matthew Fisher has some pretty clear-eyed information in comparing Belgium's Muslims to its Africans. While the Muslims squat sullenly in Molonbeek and send hundreds of jihadists to fight for ISIS, the blacks party. Yes they're poor and subject to discrimination, moreso than the Muslims, but they're grateful for being allowed to come to Belgium and for the benefits of living there.

The different approaches that black Africans and Arabs have taken to life explains everything, said Angele Casongo, who had come to Matonge to get her hair done.

“The Congolese have no interest in what the Arabs are doing,” Casongo said. “We want to go out. We want to drink. We want to live. We want to be left in peace.”

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/matthew-fisher-brussels-africans-have-no-patience-for-narrative-that-discrimination-spawned-jihadists

The apologists and the anti-"Islamophobia" crowd have lost all their steam.

Not one of them has addressed the issue of siding with the prophet who committed the genocide in Bani Qurayza, or against his followers who committed genocide against the Buddhists or Hindus, or everyone else in the middle east.

jacee · April 5, 2016

Non-Muslim Americans and Canadians alike have been charged with and found guilty of committing terrorist acts when they committed terrorist acts.

I was responding to your common error of assigning 'terrorist' only to crimes committed by those claiming Muslim faith/ISIS connections (whether they are real or delusional).

Dylan Roof is not a terrorist because he only targeted and terrorized Black people?

So if a Muslim targets and attacks only Christians or Jews, it's not terrorism?

What if someone only targets and attacks Americans?

Is that terrorism or a hate crime?

Is terrorism defined as a crime against random people but not targeted groups?

Or crimes targeted at 'state' operators?

Two lone wolf acts in Canada were called terrorism because 1)the perps claimed to be Muslim (converts) and 2) they attacked 'state' operators (soldiers, MP's).

Some targeted acts are terrorism but not others?

I am only trying to clarify because common understanding has deteriorated to

'He said Allah, so he's a terrorist'

'He said 'ISIS' so he's a terrorist'

'He said God, so he's not a terrorist, just a loonie.

IE, in common understanding, including our former PM and Minister of Justice, only those claiming to be Muslim are terrorists.

You exhibited that thinking too.

McVeigh was executed for multiple counts of murder, not terrorism.

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Edited April 5, 2016 by jacee

WestCanMan · April 5, 2016

I was responding to your common error of assigning 'terrorist' only to crimes committed by those claiming Muslim faith/ISIS connections (whether they are real or delusional).

Dylan Roof is not a terrorist because he only targeted and terrorized Black people?

So if a Muslim targets and attacks only Christians or Jews, it's not terrorism?

What if someone only targets and attacks Americans?

Is that terrorism or a hate crime?

Is terrorism defined as a crime against random people but not targeted groups?

Or crimes targeted at 'state' operators?

Two lone wolf acts in Canada were called terrorism because 1)the perps claimed to be Muslim (converts) and 2) they attacked 'state' operators (soldiers, MP's).

Some targeted acts are terrorism but not others?

I am only trying to clarify because common understanding has deteriorated to

'He said Allah, so he's a terrorist'

'He said 'ISIS' so he's a terrorist'

'He said God, so he's not a terrorist, just a loonie.

IE, in common understanding, including our former PM and Minister of Justice, only those claiming to be Muslim are terrorists.

You exhibited that thinking too.

McVeigh was executed for multiple counts of murder, not terrorism.

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Timothy McVeigh from wiki:

Timothy James McVeigh (April 23, 1968 – June 11, 2001) was an American terrorist convicted^[3] and executed^[4] for the detonation of a truck bomb in front of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995.^[5] Commonly referred to as the Oklahoma City bombing, the attack killed 168 people and injured over 600.^[6] According to the United States Government, it was the deadliest act of terrorism within the United Statesprior to the September 11 attacks, and remains the most significant act of domestic terrorism in United States history.

Public perception of TMV was that he was a terrorist. That's what they called him on the news. Prosecutors take whatever angle they can to get the best chances and highest penalty possible. If they charged him with committing a terrorist act maybe it's just one charge = one trial. Prosecutors commonly charge mass/serial killers with a few murders at a time so that if they wind up botching a trial they still have plenty more murders to charge them with the 2nd time, or the 3rd time, etc.

If you want to think of D Roof as a terrorist, go ahead. I don't care.

Terrorism is a series of acts of mass murder and destruction aimed at forcing people to step in line with a political/religious agenda. I just don't see a political goal, because he's not trying to get black people to start bleaching their skin. It's a hate crime. It is at least as bad, probably worse.

WestCanMan · April 6, 2016

Two lone wolf acts in Canada were called terrorism because 1)the perps claimed to be Muslim (converts) and 2) they attacked 'state' operators (soldiers, MP's).

Some targeted acts are terrorism but not others?

I am only trying to clarify because common understanding has deteriorated to

'He said Allah, so he's a terrorist'

'He said 'ISIS' so he's a terrorist'

'He said God, so he's not a terrorist, just a loonie.

IE, in common understanding, including our former PM and Minister of Justice, only those claiming to be Muslim are terrorists.

You exhibited that thinking too.

As per this part, I'm not sure whether you've noticed or not but terrorism is rife within Islam. You're mostly aware of it when it happens in the western world but terrorism and genocide are the main driving forces behind the spread of Islam, committed by no less than Mohammed himself. Google Banu Qurayza jacee. See for yourself.

Seeing as Mohammed did it, it's impossible to decree within Islam that it is evil to commit genocide or take child slaves. Although the vast majority of people lack the ill will to commit such atrocities, supporting, condoning and turning a blind eye to it are easy enough to do.

In every part of the world, and in every age, where Islam becomes the majority the trend of genocide and terror continues. The crusades and the inquisition (a direct response to muslim attacks over 400 years) are a moon-cast shadow of the genocides committed by muslims through the ages, and in recent history. Muslims today will bring up the Crusades and Inquisition like they are supremely relevant while dowplaying their larger, and far more common atrocities. 1971 in Bangladesh from wiki:

During the nine-month-long Bangladesh war for independence, members of the Pakistani military and supporting militias killed an estimated 300,000^[1] to 3,000,000^[4] people and raped between 200,000 and 400,000 Bangladeshi women in a systematic campaign of genocidal rape.^[8]^[9] It is estimated that up to 30 million civilians became internally displaced.^[10]

Christ didn't commit a whole lot of rape, genocide, or take many child slaves. The christians don't have that type of role model. When a "christian" commits a murder it's not in the name or style of JC.

There's no call to genocide from the pope or any archbishops.

Get it?

Big Guy · April 6, 2016

The term "terrorist" has lost any meaning. It has been attached to any group that the attacher chooses.

In Syria, the terrorists fighting for Assad are flying planes to wipe out anybody they find on their soil. A few days ago, the Al Qaeda "terrorists" shot down a Syrian "terrorist" plane. ISIS, the "terrorist" organization is also in that area fighting both these groups. Some Turkish separatist "terrorists" are also in the area wanting to set up their own county.

Even a program will not explain which terrorists are fighting which terrorists.

jacee · April 6, 2016

We don't have a terrorism problem in Canada.

We have over 1m Muslims living here peacefully, going to soccer and hockey games and parent-teacher nights with their neighbours and working hard to support their families and communities.

We have a problem with police, politicians and miscellaneous catastrophizers trying to create fear of all Muslims, inciting hatred against all Muslims.

Who benefits from that?

Follow the money ...

islamic-extremism-is-a-product-of-western-imperialism/

In order to understand the rise of the Islamic State we must first briefly review the history of Western intervention in not only the Middle East but throughout the world to reveal that Islamic extremism in not a unique phenomenon. For the past 500 years, peoples throughout the world have resorted to acts of violence that today would be classified as terrorism in efforts to resist Western imperialism.

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The first significant success for Islamic fundamentalism directly resulted from the United States and Britain overthrowing a democratically-elected and secular government and their subsequent support for a brutal dictatorship, all in the name of securing access to oil.

And so it continues ...

The western war on Muslims is, like all wars, designed to line the pockets of the rich and powerful. It's the new colonialism, waging war against resource rich countries to install 'friendly' leaders who make deals and get paybacks for western corporations steal the profits from their resources.

It suits the resource and weapons megacorps - western military-industrial complex - to create broad anti-Muslim sentiment to improve their profits.

It isn't about Islam.

When they wanted North American resources, it was Native Americans who were vilified as 'heathens' and slaughtered.

It's about colonialism ... aggression to take control of resource wealth in other countries, and the backlash/resistance against that.

Here's a current specific case of Canadian aggression in another country, Guatemala:

guatemalan-woman-brings-major-legal-case-against-canadian-mining-corporation/

A Mayan farmers wife from Lote Ocho Guatemala, Caal has become the face of a legal case accusing Canadian company Hudbay Mineral, Inc., of negligence, though the details of the case are far more disturbing. In 2007, security guards from the nearby [Canadian] mine came, along with police officers, to Caals house and demanded entry, and then proceeded to gang-rape her before evicting her and her family from their land.

It's going to be heard in Canadian courts, the first time a Canadian company has been tried for imperialist invasion crimes in another country.

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cybercoma · April 6, 2016

You mean there isn't a million people working together to pass regressive socially conservative theocratic legislation and plant bombs everywhere?

PIK · April 6, 2016

The Muslim slave trade of Africans is another dark part of its dark history. The author of The legacy of Arab Islam in Africa, figured close to 100 million Africans died just in transit and many were castrated to keep them in line. So jacee check out that book, and see how brutal Islam was long before the west appeared.

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PIK · April 6, 2016

And jacee how do you know 1 million Muslims are living here peacefully. Because many could be working behind the scenes to bring this county to its knees and now they have the PM of Canada in their corner.

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Army Guy · April 6, 2016

We don't have a terrorism problem in Canada.

Well that's it then readers, it is now official Canada has NO terrorist problems....According to Jacee anyways....

Whew....That is a huge weight off my shoulders.....But before we put this to bed for good one question, what constitutes a problem....is it one attack 10 attacks....And where did you find out the answer to this issue ? Reason I am asking is is Some of Canada's top CSIS and RCMP agents would tend to disagree with your BOLD statement, and it does not stop there The US government has been telling us for years there is concerns.....Concerns that Canada is a haven not only for terrorists but organized crime, murders, other criminals....Concerns have been raised by our own security apparatus in regards to lax immigration policies, lax funding to properly deport or remove these people once convicted in our own courts.

Again the intra net is full of examples that would suggest that Canada is not free of any terrorism problems, the facts suggest very little has been done to tighten up these loop holes to ensure our safety, no major increase in funding , no major law changes, no real action to really speak off....

www.ctvnews.ca/canada/terrorism-in-canada-timeline-of-plots-attacks-and-allegations-1.2067337

://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/trail/etc/canada.html

://archive.adl.org/terror/tu/tu_0401_canada.html

We have a problem with police, politicians and miscellaneous catastrophizers trying to create fear of all Muslims, inciting hatred against all Muslims.

Yes, these are the real bad guys, when things get tough we as Canadians have this un written rule , more like a gene defect.....to start pointing fingers and those that suggest anything is wrong......And to blame Muslim soccer moms well that is just crossing the line.....But wait .... are we blaming regular Muslim soccer moms....

Has anyone stood up and said ALL MUSLIMS ARE BAD......But in the same note we are saying NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE GOOD either.....be it a Muslim soccer mom, or a terrorist from Syria.....And while you might be forming your opinion on your neighbor or the local Muslim selling goods at the fair......Things are not as you describe in Muslim countries......are they, I mean they don't kill people in the streets for things as burning a Koran, accusing your husband of cheating, drawing a picture of a god, nor are wive's considered property of their husbands, much like a slave... nor is giving your youngest daughter away at the age of 9 to be married of to some older man.....that shit does not happen ever......

These are not considered extreme these are part of their culture, religion....part of their everyday lives.....and Coming to Canada Custom agents flick a little switch in the back of their heads turns all that off......makes them all Canadianized , makes them just people who are fleeing a war zone.....They just want to live their lives , raise a family....enjoy western standards of living with out giving up their cultures and religions.....screw trying to change things in their own country.....we will pack up everything and change the west......everything that has screwed up their own countries, we'll try and bring all that shit to the west......

Yes you can try and blame the west for every ones problems.....But Muslims have been killing other Muslims for centuries now.....before North America and the west was even a feature on the map......sooner or later your going to run out of excuses.....and see things the way they really are.....

Smoke · April 6, 2016

The term "terrorist" has lost any meaning. It has been attached to any group that the attacher chooses.

I agree 100%. The same thing with the terms "racist", "bigot", xenophobe", etc.

PIK · April 6, 2016

What bothers me is ,times get tough for the evil doers of the world, where will they go. IMO Canada is the next stop if it has not already started. With our trudeau charter and laws. This is a great place to set up shop and be protected and lets not forget jacee about air India. And we also now have a PM that is very sympathetic to their cause.

eyeball · April 6, 2016

If Operation Ajax was actually about resisting 1500 years of attempted Muslim hegemony over the West why did they keep it secret from us?

Why wasn't Islamoconcern front and center in the media and public consciousness back in 1953?

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bush_cheney2004 · April 6, 2016

If Operation Ajax was actually about resisting 1500 years of attempted Muslim hegemony over the West why did they keep it secret from us?

Because "us" was in Canada ?

Why wasn't Islamoconcern front and center in the media and public consciousness back in 1953?

Because the Soviet Union wanted more attention.

WestCanMan · April 6, 2016

If Operation Ajax was actually about resisting 1500 years of attempted Muslim hegemony over the West why did they keep it secret from us?

Why wasn't Islamoconcern front and center in the media and public consciousness back in 1953?

Hegemony over the west was never the plan that was given to the muslim armies. It's not about the money, it's about getting rid of all other cultures and religions.

In 1953 the world was a much bigger place. They were there and we were here and the average person wasn't going very far from home very often. There weren't any commercial jetliners, there was no internet, almost everyone was in the dark about what happened in the rest of the world. The news told us what they thought we needed to know and gave us their spin, just like they sold the majority of you guys on Justin Trudeau. They thought we needed to know about the USSR, and even to this day the armies of the muslim world pose absolutely no threat to Europe.

Islamoconcern is an issue now because we can see what starts happening in some of the countries in Africa, some of the islands in the phillipines and bangladesh when Islam starts becoming the majority. We've had muslims starting to ask for sharia-lite here. Family sharia or what have you. Seems like no big deal but it's a sign that they don't respect the liberal ideals of the western world. Ironically it's the Liberals who just can't get enough of them. They want to start bringing in the hard-core types from the world's foremost terrorist hotbeds while all the christians there are being massacred. It makes us look sooo politically correct. Who could refuse, right?

dre · April 6, 2016

Ironically it's the Liberals who just can't get enough of them. They want to start bringing in the hard-core types from the world's foremost terrorist hotbeds while all the christians there are being massacred. It makes us look sooo politically correct. Who could refuse, right?

This is just a BS talking point. Immigration policy is bipartisan and driven primarily by the business community and economics.

Liberals are just as xenophobic as conservatives.

WestCanMan · April 7, 2016

This is just a BS talking point. Immigration policy is bipartisan and driven primarily by the business community and economics.

Liberals are just as xenophobic as conservatives.

I was mainly referring to refugees, I guess I should have said that.

The Liberals are hardly xenophobic dre.

eyeball · April 7, 2016

Because "us" was in Canada ?

Of course, it was "our" idea remember?

Because the Soviet Union wanted more attention.

You should take that up at the inquiry too.

bush_cheney2004 · April 7, 2016

...The Liberals are hardly xenophobic dre.

They are when it comes to 'muricans.

WestCanMan · April 7, 2016

They are when it comes to 'muricans.

I'm not a Trump fan but I would love to see Trudeau have to put up with him for 4 years lol.

That being said I'm not a fan of the socialist, the criminal, or Trump-lite either.

Do you think there's a chance that an independent could win the whitehouse this year?

Please say 90%.

eyeball · April 7, 2016

Hegemony over the west was never the plan that was given to the muslim armies. It's not about the money, it's about getting rid of all other cultures and religions.

Okay, so our genocide has been the plan for 1500 years but we only became aware of it now.

Islamoconcern is an issue now

Could you expand on what you mean by now? Is it somewhere between say, 1499 years and 64 years ago or was it just this morning?

dre · April 7, 2016

I was mainly referring to refugees, I guess I should have said that.

The Liberals are hardly xenophobic dre.

You're generalizing. I have a lot of friends that would be classified as liberals in most ways... but a lot of them are working class and a lot of them are union members. I never here the end of the "god damn immigrants are taking our jobs and driving down our wages" rants.

I think there's a fair amount of racism and xenophobia at both ends of the political spectrum.

WestCanMan · April 7, 2016

You're generalizing. I have a lot of friends that would be classified as liberals in most ways... but a lot of them are working class and a lot of them are union members. I never here the end of the "god damn immigrants are taking our jobs and driving down our wages" rants.

I think there's a fair amount of racism and xenophobia at both ends of the political spectrum.

By "the Liberals" I mean the party. If I meant liberals in general I wouldn't have capitalized it.

WestCanMan · April 7, 2016

Okay, so our genocide has been the plan for 1500 years but we only became aware of it now.

Could you expand on what you mean by now? Is it somewhere between say, 1499 years and 64 years ago or was it just this morning?

Most Canadians aren't aware of a few key facts:

-that the crusades and inquisition were a direct response to 400 years of muslim jihad

-that Mohammed committed genocide himself

-that the muslims committed so many genocides, and so large.

Go talk to a few people you know and ask them if they know any of those things. Most people on this site didn't, and that's after they wrote dozens of posts about how cute and cuddly Islam is.

"Now" refers to - now that we're suddenly bringing in boatloads of people who are theoretically refugees, although they are really just displaced by war, from the world's biggest genocidal terrorist zone and surrounding areas.