Donald vs Hillary

[Argus]

2 hours ago, Hal 9000 said:

Exactly, and that's what I mean when I say that Trump has taken the pressure off their dilemma.  I'll slow it down for you, if the republican nominee was somebody else (say Rubio or Carson), then women would still vote for Hillary, but would have to justify their decision without admitting that it's merely about sisterhood.

Why do you think anyone would have the slightest problem justifying voting for virtually ANYONE other than Trump? Trump is the most psychologically and emotionally unfit candidate in the history of the United States.

[cybercoma]

1 minute ago, Hal 9000 said:

they seem to have missed the email about Bill get a $1Million birthday present from Qatar while Hillary was SOS.

You see, I don't get this, HAL. I want to try to respect your opinion, but I just don't understand. How could you be up in arms about this, mad that it's not reported as widely, yet you don't care whatsoever that Donald Trump has literally praised the Putin and the Chinese government for their expediency? Why is Bill's gift an issue (I know nothing about it so I will take you at your word here), but a Trump gushing over two of the biggest human rights violating nations on the planet isn't? Trump is literally the guy running. He's saying he admires tyrannies. That's not the least bit concerning?

[cybercoma]

4 minutes ago, Argus said:

I really don't get how you people are shocked and aghast that Clinton had disrespect for adulterous women who slept with her husband, knowing he was married. You think she should have invited them over for tea and promised to be best friends for life? I know a woman who was cheated on and if she ever came across the other woman she'd beat the living crap out of her.

Further still, if she didn't believe the allegations, why wouldn't she try to crush people who she would believe were lying about her husband?

[Argus]

2 hours ago, Hal 9000 said:

Tell me, do think there is anything that Hillary could do that would have her lose the support of someone like WCR? 

Speaking for myself, I'm not that big a fan of Clinton. I don't like her prescious political correctness, her racial lobbying or her environmental policies. I do think most of the accusations against her are little more than half truths and propaganda, but regardless, given she's running against Trump, I don't think there's much she could do that would dissuade me from voting for her were I able to do so. Trump is simply that horrifyingly bad a person and candidate.

[Argus]

2 hours ago, Hal 9000 said:

If this campaign is not about voting your emotions, then what is it about?

Voting with intelligence. Given Trump is a congenital liar without a trace of ethical or moral values, has virtually no knowledge about any aspect of the job and what it entails, and is both arrogant enough to believe otherwise and prone to conspiracy theories. Given his only actual policy pronouncements would throw the country even deeper into debt and cause massive economic disruptions, no intelligent person could possibly vote for him.

 

[Argus]

1 hour ago, Hal 9000 said:

Nobody talks about what Hillary will do, Hillary hasn't been seen, let alone said anything, the MSM says nothing about policy (Hillary or Trumps) or wikileaks.  They have spent over a week straight talking negatively about Trump and this audio recording.  So, why are the polls changing in favour of Clinton?  

I have seen the wikileaks thing mentioned repeatedly on every mainstream channel. Say, isn't that an organization run by a guy fleeing rape charges? He sure fits right in with Trump and his cast of knuckle dragging gropers, perverts, adulterers and sexual harassers.

 

[Argus]

1 hour ago, Hal 9000 said:

Most of those reasons are fed to you by the press as reasons, emotional reasons why you shouldn't like the guy. 

You mean if we have a sense of moral values?

I don't need the press telling me not to like him. I was forced to sit through an hour of the last debate. I was repulsed by the man. He struck me as a sneering, ignorant, swaggering, demagogue and bully. I can't think of a politician I feel more contemptuous of. I would vote for Dalton McGuinty and Kathleen Wynne in a heartbeat over this guy, and I loath them.

[Moonlight Graham]

Not a fan of Hillary.  But Trump is the most dangerous man to become a main party POTUS nominee since at least the 20th century.  He easily has the potential to be more dangerous than Bush or Nixon or LBJ etc, which is saying something.  I've never seen such a selfish, arrogant, power-drunk, and shameless American in all my life.  He's not interested in compromises, or carefully thought out policy.  All he wants to do in his life is stick his penis in anything that moves, literally and figuratively.  He reminds me of some male dog who struts around like an alpha trying to hump everyone's leg.

Hillary is disgusting, but she doesn't hold a candle to this guy.  Anyone who supports Trump at this point with everything we've seen...what's wrong with you?

Edited October 16, 2016 by Moonlight Graham

[cybercoma]

2 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Not a fan of Hillary.  But Trump is the most dangerous man to become a main party POTUS nominee since at least the 20th century.  He easily has the potential to be more dangerous than Bush or Nixon or LBJ etc, which is saying something.  I've never seen such a selfish, arrogant, power-drunk, and shameless American in all my life.  He's not interested in compromises, or carefully thought out policy.  All he wants to do in his life is stick his penis in anything that moves, literally and figuratively.

Hillary is disgusting, but she doesn't hold a candle to this guy.  Anyone who supports Trump at this point with everything we've seen...what's wrong with you?

I quite honestly think that he would have absolutely no idea what to do if he won. Seriously. He wants the title but seems to be entirely clueless that it's actually a job.

[bush_cheney2004]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

...I don't need the press telling me not to like him. I was forced to sit through an hour of the last debate. I was repulsed by the man.

 

Seriously...you were "forced" to watch one hour of a foreign election candidate debate ?    How does that happen ?

[Moonlight Graham]

2 hours ago, cybercoma said:

I quite honestly think that he would have absolutely no idea what to do if he won. Seriously. He wants the title but seems to be entirely clueless that it's actually a job.

I think he thinks he knows, which is a lot scarier and a lot more irresponsible.

[bush_cheney2004]

2 hours ago, cybercoma said:

I quite honestly think that he would have absolutely no idea what to do if he won.

 

I think that is true for most of Canada too.

[betsy]

19 hours ago, cybercoma said:

You're calling these women's liars and trivializing their ordeals when Trump himself admitted to doing these things. That's reprehensible. You should be ashamed of yourself. Why do you believe Bill Clinton's accusers, who had court cases and lost or settled out of court, but not these ones? And don't come back with the ridiculous argument that settling out of court is an admission of guilt because then you're calling Trump a racist, since he settled out of court on racism charges over housing. Have some principles for crying out loud. You are defending a self-described rapist. Shame on you.

The accusers of Clinton had been consistent in their accusations, and they didn't just suddenly appear from nowhere.

The timing of all these unheard-of women now suddenly coming out one after the other, to accuse Trump, right on the heels of the video tape (which was taken out of context), and the set-up question by Anderson Cooper......makes the whole thing stinks! After all these years.......WHY NOW?

 

The  anti-Trump had used sex assault to smear Trump, and made a mockery out of it, along with all real sex crime victims!

Edited October 16, 2016 by betsy

[cybercoma]

Stop pretending there's a good time to come out and admit someone sexually assaulted. You're saying they're liars. That's it. Don't beat around the bush. You're saying they're liars despite Trump admitting to this behaviour. That's even worse. You don't assume Bill's accusers are liars, yet they waited decades until he was president. You don't use the timing excuse there. Why not? More importantly, you ignore the fact that Bill's accusers talked about their relationship with him to friends and family, who've sworn under oath that they characterized the relationship as "happy" or "exciting." Linda Tripp swore under oath that Paula Jones was bragging about her sexual affair with Bill Clinton before she decided that he was "harassing" her. How do you reconcile that? How do you reconcile the fact that you support the accusations of proven liars over these women, who've done nothing but come out and say, "yeah. Trump is right. He does do those things. Here's my story."

[Argus]

11 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Seriously...you were "forced" to watch one hour of a foreign election candidate debate ?    How does that happen ?

I was at the in-laws and my brother in law insisted on turning it on so he could laugh at how pathetic he is. I couldn't find a way to politely get out before ten.

[Argus]

9 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I think he thinks he knows, which is a lot scarier and a lot more irresponsible.

Trump has no intention of being president in reality, just in name. It's telling that during his interview as a potential vice president John Kasich says they told him he'd be in charge of domestic and foreign policy. When he asked what Trump would be in charge of he was told 'making America great again'. I think Trump wants the status, and the levers of power (especially so he can use them against his enemies), but he isn't interested in the day to day minutia and meetings and policy details that being president entail.

[Argus]

2 hours ago, betsy said:

The accusers of Clinton had been consistent in their accusations, and they didn't just suddenly appear from nowhere.

The timing of all these unheard-of women now suddenly coming out one after the other, to accuse Trump, right on the heels of the video tape (which was taken out of context), and the set-up question by Anderson Cooper......makes the whole thing stinks! After all these years.......WHY NOW?

Gee, maybe because the fornicating adulterous sinner who has replaced Jesus in your life made the entire previous debate about adultery and sexual harassment and then piously announced he had never done any? You don't think some of the women who he victimized might be just a little outraged at that?

[cybercoma]

6 minutes ago, Argus said:

Gee, maybe because the fornicating adulterous sinner who has replaced Jesus in your life made the entire previous debate about adultery and sexual harassment and then piously announced he had never done any? You don't think some of the women who he victimized might be just a little outraged at that?

There's also the fact that people don't come forward when they feel like nobody will believe them or listen. They were also probably terrified of Trump because look at how he bullies and threatens everyone who so much as reprints his own bloody words. Maybe.....just maybe, they felt empowered now that the spotlight was on him being a sexual predator. Maybe now they felt people would believe them and that they'd be safe coming forward because he himself admitted to it. Betsy and Trump supporters are being ludicrous. There's never a "good" time to come forward and admit publicly that someone has raped you, especially against a celebrity. If people can't even admit privately that these things happen, it must be infinitely harder to admit it when all eyes are on you.

Edited October 16, 2016 by cybercoma

[?Impact]

14 hours ago, Hal 9000 said:

As for the billion dollar loss, you know he actually didn't lose  a billion dollars right?

You mean it is just an excuse to cheat taxpayers?

[?Impact]

3 hours ago, betsy said:

The accusers of Clinton had been consistent in their accusations, and they didn't just suddenly appear from nowhere.

 

They smelled blood after Lewinsky, no different than Trump

[cybercoma]

13 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

They smelled blood after Lewinsky, no different than Trump

The Paula Jones case is where he committed perjury about Lewinsky. You've got the timeline all mixed up.

[Cum Laude]

1 minute ago, cybercoma said:

The Paula Jones case is where he committed perjury about Lewinsky. You've got the timeline all mixed up.

The State Department paid special attention to “Friends of Bill.”

After the massive 2010 Haiti earthquake, a senior aide to then-Secretary of State Clinton repeatedly gave special attention to those identified by the abbreviations “FOB” (Friends of Bill) or “WJC VIPs” (William Jefferson Clinton VIPs), referring to the former president. The emails show Mrs. Clinton’s State Department prioritized and benefited Mr. Clinton’s friends in the $10 billion recovery effort. The State Department also polled the popularity of Mr. Clinton in Haiti and shared the results with him.

Edited October 16, 2016 by Cum Laude

[Cum Laude]

17 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

You mean it is just an excuse to cheat taxpayers?

Mrs. Clinton argued for “a hemispheric common market with open trade and open borders.”

Mrs. Clinton’s dream for America looks a lot like the European Union. She reportedly told investors in a paid speech to Brazilian Banco Itau in 2013: “My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, sometime in the future with energy that’s as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere.” Without borders, there are no countries, including the United States.

[GostHacked]

On 10/13/2016 at 9:27 PM, cybercoma said:

I'm pretty sure Trump could admit to murdering someone and you would defend him. In fact, I'm certain of it because you're defending him admitting to rape. This was not sexual bravado. Sex is consensual. This was rape bravado.

What if Clinton admitted to it? Would you believe her?

[Topaz]

Angus, u may be right but there still GW, his brain was fried on alcohol and coke and Cheney had more control over him.  I think Trump should be given a chance to govern  for a least 4 years.