Donald vs Hillary

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23 hours ago, Rue said:

I find it fascinating how regulars on the forum are not lined up by  left for Hilary right for Trump  considerations

as to ideology but on perceived character flaws. Fascinating as Spock would say. I defer to comments of Argus, MSJ

and Tim G. From what I see Clinton is full of well documented questionable dirty past political mud but Trump is a nut job

so I would go with her. His pacing and whining at the journalists showed a very immature screwed up personality. Hilary

is a cold blooded sociopath, Trump a border line anti social  narcissist sadistic pig. What a choice.

 

Both options are terrible, that much I can take stock in. Some arguments I have heard, 'better the devil you know ...'  but either way I don't have faith in the next presidency unless one or both kick the bucket and the VPs (whoever THEY are) takes over.

It's a shame that this is really just 'entertainment' for the rest of the world, while it will be probably THE most divisive election ever. 

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8 hours ago, Argus said:

What makes Clinton a sociopath?

You only have to hear her speak to come to that determination. Then again I would argue most politicians are sociopaths. Government is the beauty pageant for ugly people... as the saying goes. 

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5 hours ago, cybercoma said:

 

Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi.

There have been 33 congressional hearings and investigations into the Benghazi Tragedy with hundreds of witnesses questioned and countless hours and dollars spent trying to dig up some kind of dirt, anything, on Hillary Clinton. There are 13 published reports from those hearings that you can go investigate yourself. I'm so sick of hearing about Benghazi. The Republicans have been trying to find something to skewer her with on Benghazi and have spent millions of dollars turning over every grain of sand on the matter.

They've found absolutely no administrative wrongdoing.

Can we talk about the emails then?  Of course, no convictions there either!  Hmmm why IS that?

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4 hours ago, BC_chick said:

I doubt my opinions on a Canadian forum are going to have any kind of influence on the election,

Don't worry , American's opinions don't seem to have any influence either. Or you'd see someone like Sanders running in front.

[cybercoma]

1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

FYI -  here is an example of one state's qualified ballot candidates for the office of U.S. president and vice-president:

 

Title...............................Candidate..................................Party
U.S. President & Vice President 	Donald J. Trump and Michael R. Pence 	   REPUBLICAN
U.S. President & Vice President 	Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine 	           DEMOCRATIC-FARMER-LABOR
U.S. President & Vice President 	Darrell Castle and Scott Bradley 	       CONSTITUTION PARTY
U.S. President & Vice President 	Dan R. Vacek and Mark Elworth, Jr. 	       LEGAL MARIJUANA NOW
U.S. President & Vice President 	Alyson Kennedy and Osborne Hart 	       SOCIALIST WORKERS PARTY
U.S. President & Vice President 	Jill Stein and Howie Hawkins 	           GREEN PARTY
U.S. President & Vice President 	Roque De La Fuente and Michael Steinberg   AMERICAN DELTA PARTY
U.S. President & Vice President 	Evan McMullin and Nathan Johnson 	       INDEPENDENCE
U.S. President & Vice President 	Gary Johnson and William Weld 	           LIBERTARIAN PARTY

 

What's your point? You have a de facto two-party state, as I already mentioned. The rest of the ballot may as well not even exist.

[BubberMiley]

28 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

Can we talk about the emails then?  Of course, no convictions there either!  Hmmm why IS that?

Obviously she has the whole FBI at her beck and call. It's the Clintons, after all.

[cybercoma]

29 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

Can we talk about the emails then?  Of course, no convictions there either!  Hmmm why IS that?

Because she did something careless, but not illegal. That's why. No state secrets or classified information was leaked anywhere. That's another issue that the Republicans have bled to death. What you don't hear is how many other Senators and people in government are also using their own personal email or pseudonyms, etc. Yet we keep hearing about Hillary over and over again, even though the FBI already investigated her. I get that people want to believe there's more to it than there is, but there just isn't. If there was, we would already know all about it from the Republicans.

[bush_cheney2004]

3 minutes ago, cybercoma said:

What's your point? You have a de facto two-party state, as I already mentioned. The rest of the ballot may as well not even exist.

 

Really ?    See election results for 1968, 1992, and 2000.  

[Wilber]

3 hours ago, GostHacked said:

Can we talk about the emails then?  Of course, no convictions there either!  Hmmm why IS that?

Thou shalt not use personal email servers for company business. Bad. We get it but unfortunately it is done all the time. The BC government has been raked over the coals for using personal emails to circumvent FOI. Lot's of apologies but no charges or convictions there either.

Edited October 12, 2016 by Wilber

[cybercoma]

29 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Really ?    See election results for 1968, 1992, and 2000.  

1968: Republican won, Democrat came in second.

1992: Democrat won, Republican came in second.

2000: Republican won, Democrat came in second.

 

Again, what's your point? You have a de facto two party state. Do you keep missing the fact that I'm saying de facto?

[Hal 9000]

2 hours ago, GostHacked said:

You only have to hear her speak to come to that determination. Then again I would argue most politicians are sociopaths. Government is the beauty pageant for ugly people... as the saying goes. 

I prefer to use Haiti as a microcosm of what the Clintons are all about.

[Hal 9000]

3 hours ago, Topaz said:

One thing I've noticed is the media says the Clinton is always ahead in the polls taken but yet, Clinton has the President and his wife, the VP, Al Gore, Bill, their daughter and more  coming out and speaking for Clinton, why, if she so far in the polls. The Black child that  Bill fathered, over on the Drudge Report, there a picture of him, he's in his 30's is married  and has kids of his own and even though the Clinton's say that Bill had a DNA test done, he says they didn't. His mother was a hooker that Bill met on the street, while he was Gov.

The polls are in her favour, but answering a poll is one thing, going out to vote is quite another.  They're afraid of people staying at home because of complacency or indifference.

[Argus]

17 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

She was not indicted for violating federal law(s) because of widely reported partisan influence on the DoJ and FBI, including Bill Clinton.   Different rules apply to other Americans, like General David Petraeus.

Can you name me anyone in history who was ever even charged for mistakenly sending emails which were classified?

[Argus]

15 hours ago, GostHacked said:

Can we talk about the emails then?  Of course, no convictions there either!  Hmmm why IS that?

The fact there have been no charges or convictions is much more likely related to her having broken no laws than some bizarro land conspiracy theory you and the Trumpites have been developing.

 

[Wilber]

Clinton's use of personal email is disappointing and showed poor judgment but I don't think it is enough to conclude a major character flaw.

[WestCoastRunner]

On 10/11/2016 at 10:26 AM, BC_chick said:

She's unapologetic liar and she aims to 'win' at all costs (insofar as destroying the lives and reputations of the women who accuse Bill of wrongdoing).  

Can you please show where she destroyed the lives and reputations of these women?

I believe that Jones received a settlement of 850,000 from Bill.  I'm pretty sure this settlement didn't destroy her life and had nothing to do with Hillary.

Politico has researched Trump's claim that Hillary viciously attacked those who charged abuse by Bill.  Their finds were 'Mostly False'.  They go into detail on each of the claims here.

[bush_cheney2004]

1 hour ago, Wilber said:

Clinton's use of personal email is disappointing and showed poor judgment but I don't think it is enough to conclude a major character flaw.

 

The flaw follows from Clinton's willful intent and actions to circumvent oversight and security of classified and unclassified government communications, and the forensic destruction of data on the private email server(s) in question after being subpoenaed by Congress.

[Bonam]

The more I research Clinton, the more I conclude that the scandals about the emails, Benghazi, the foundation, and Bill's "victims" are mostly manufactured outrage and have no real substance to them. My opinion is starting to change from just seeing Clinton as the lesser of two evils compared to the absurdity of Trump, to actually thinking she's probably a fairly good candidate as US presidential candidates go. 

[bush_cheney2004]

3 minutes ago, Bonam said:

The more I research Clinton, the more I conclude that the scandals about the emails, Benghazi, the foundation, and Bill's "victims" are mostly manufactured outrage and have no real substance to them. My opinion is starting to change from just seeing Clinton as the lesser of two evils compared to the absurdity of Trump, to actually thinking she's probably a fairly good candidate as US presidential candidates go. 

 

Yes...if one "supports" the status quo in U.S. domestic policies, foreign policies, military interventions, spiraling debt, illegal immigration, etc. then Clinton is a very good candidate.

[cybercoma]

2 hours ago, Wilber said:

Clinton's use of personal email is disappointing and showed poor judgment but I don't think it is enough to conclude a major character flaw.

I mean, it's not like she's bragging about going around and grabbing women's crotches or anything.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Bonam said:

The more I research Clinton, the more I conclude that the scandals about the emails, Benghazi, the foundation, and Bill's "victims" are mostly manufactured outrage and have no real substance to them. My opinion is starting to change from just seeing Clinton as the lesser of two evils compared to the absurdity of Trump, to actually thinking she's probably a fairly good candidate as US presidential candidates go. 

She may actually be the most qualified candidate in history, despite a lack of personal charm.

[?Impact]

The women are stating to come out of the woodwork. Cooper Andersen pressed the question three times before Trump actually denied ever touching a woman inappropriately, and now those that were are speaking out. So far it is Jessica Leeds and Rachel Crooks. It is going to be an interesting few weeks.

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58 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

The women are stating to come out of the woodwork. Cooper Andersen pressed the question three times before Trump actually denied ever touching a woman inappropriately, and now those that were are speaking out. So far it is Jessica Leeds and Rachel Crooks. It is going to be an interesting few weeks.

Has anyone studied the Plutonium Ultimatum? The US really should’ve contracted Russia to build that MOX plant in South Carolina.

But then, these wasted 7 billion dollars would remain in the US budget and the plant would be processing plutonium rods for US nuclear power plants, which will soon ran out of fuel, and the theme of the Kremlin plutonium counter-sanctions not even been able to appear in the most desperate heads of super-turbo professional patriots.

Our American friends never look for the easy way out and simple solutions: the road to the disco in the neighboring village they always navigate over the Himalayas.

By indirect actions Kremlin will now decide how and what and at what stage will be spent not only the US defense budget, but not the small budget of the US Department of Energy. Obama/Clinton Administration dumped the entire US and Canadian uranium market into the Russian hands for unsubstantial (relatively speaking) bribes through the Clinton Foundation.

Clintons not just sold the energy future of the United States, they sold it cheap

Civil Defense drills with 40 million paricipants. Even with late USSR was never like this, and here we go again. Our American friends can not dig what I call the prewar strategy of nuclear ambiguity. This is where all joint operation collapsed, American control and exchange of information is fully terminated, the place of the dislocation of nuclear weapons and materials, and even phone numbers of all the participants, have changed.

Americans themselves lost the technology to enrich uranium for nuclear power plants, South Carolina plant closed without producing a gram of fuel, free-of-charge Russian plutonium stocks are exhausted: they now secretly remove uranium from the ancient American ground rockets standing on duty, otherwise nuclear plants will stop. Nuclear bluff as a bluff with gold bullion is very profitable thing; we are not talking about measly 300%.

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23 hours ago, GostHacked said:

You only have to hear her speak to come to that determination. Then again I would argue most politicians are sociopaths. Government is the beauty pageant for ugly people... as the saying goes. 

The Wikileaks situation gets little airplay on Canada's CBC. Hillary wants open borders of the whole Western Hemisphere – leaving the United States open to predation from Hispanic and Brazilian criminals and mafias from every Nation in South and Central America. Add to this the “special” (continual) importation of 3rd Worlders from Africa and Asia. We’re toast if she gets in and this continues.

Still like Assange, Leftists? Or is it too much Truth for your weak stomachs?

[msj]

In ten years I will be dating her. - Donald Trump about a ten year old 

In ten years I will be marrying her. - Mohammed to one of his future wives 

 

So who's the Muslim now, Republicans? 

Checkmate Christians!