August1991 Posted January 4, 2016 Report Posted January 4, 2016 (edited) I have been to both countries and after various trips, once asked myself: "Which place is worse/crazier - Iran or Saudi Arabia?" Over a beer in an airport bar one time, I recall explaining to some guy my experiences in both countries/societies. I recall saying that: "They're both crazy, f*cked-up places." Now, I would say that they're crazy in their own way. As Tolstoi once said about unhappy families. ===== War between the "Islamic Republic of Iran" and the "Kingdom of the Two Holy Cities"? Well, an Iraqi marshland divides them but in modern warfare, land doesn't always matter. Rather, I would look to the "Thirty Years War" as a western example of what is involved. IOW, we Westerners have been down this road before (but people learn) and we Westerners now have a different view of life -worthy of defending. Edited January 4, 2016 by August1991 Quote
Shady Posted January 4, 2016 Report Posted January 4, 2016 I would tend to back the more Western friendly, non-nuclear weapon seeking country. Quote
Argus Posted January 4, 2016 Report Posted January 4, 2016 I would tend to back the more Western friendly, non-nuclear weapon seeking country. Neither of them are western friendly. And Its a fair bet the Islamic terrorists funded by he Saudis have killed more westerners than the Islamic terrorists funded by the Iranians. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Shady Posted January 4, 2016 Report Posted January 4, 2016 Neither of them are western friendly. And Its a fair bet the Islamic terrorists funded by he Saudis have killed more westerners than the Islamic terrorists funded by the Iranians. The Saudi government is much friendlier to the West than the Iranian government. Furthermore, the Iranians were in Iraq killing American soldiers for years. The Saudi's weren't. Quote
Big Guy Posted January 4, 2016 Report Posted January 4, 2016 So the Sunni Saudi Arabia and Shiite Iran are at each others throats. What a surprise? So which side do the meddling Westerners want to support this time. Do we just flip a coin? How about if we stay out and let them work it out? How about if all Westerners get the hell out of there and let them work it out? JT, get our folks out of that cesspool of religious hate and personal agendas. The fuse is now burning on another explosive situation. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Shady Posted January 4, 2016 Report Posted January 4, 2016 So the Sunni Saudi Arabia and Shiite Iran are at each others throats. What a surprise? So which side do the meddling Westerners want to support this time. Do we just flip a coin? How about if we stay out and let them work it out? How about if all Westerners get the hell out of there and let them work it out? JT, get our folks out of that cesspool of religious hate and personal agendas. The fuse is now burning on another explosive situation. Cool. Will all middle easterners get the hell out of here then? Quote
eyeball Posted January 4, 2016 Report Posted January 4, 2016 So which side do the meddling Westerners want to support this time. Do we just flip a coin? There's probably more profit to be realized by being on both sides. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Big Guy Posted January 4, 2016 Report Posted January 4, 2016 Cool. Will all middle easterners get the hell out of here then? What effect are Middle Easterners having on "here"? What battles and conflicts are they involved in? We do have a number of immigrants, naturalized citizens and refugees in Canada. Many are now Canadians and the others are waiting to get their citizenship. How many folks from the West have gone into the Middle East to become citizens of the countries? Do you really think that any Westerners are there bombing and fighting because they intend to live there? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Argus Posted January 4, 2016 Report Posted January 4, 2016 (edited) The Saudi government is much friendlier to the West than the Iranian government. Furthermore, the Iranians were in Iraq killing American soldiers for years. The Saudi's weren't. No, the Saudis just pretend they're friendlier, while funding ISIS, Al Quaeda, and thousands of extremist schools and mosques around the world that preach hatred of the West. Edited January 4, 2016 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 4, 2016 Report Posted January 4, 2016 No, the Saudis just pretend they're friendlier, while funding ISIS, Al Quaeda, and thousands of extremist schools and mosques around the world that preach hatred of the West. That's OK as long as the Saudis play ball....preaching "hatred of the West" can also be found...in the West. Lots of anti-Western ranting in Canadian and other universities (e.g. against Israel, U.K., U.S., etc.) Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted January 4, 2016 Report Posted January 4, 2016 The Saudi government is much friendlier to the West than the Iranian government. Furthermore, the Iranians were in Iraq killing American soldiers for years. The Saudi's weren't. I think you have the cart before the horse again....the Americans were in Iraq killing everybody for years. And we're still not sure why. And when they think they need a nuke they will just build it, or buy it from North Korea. Quote
eyeball Posted January 4, 2016 Report Posted January 4, 2016 Iranians, amongst other's, were in Iraq killing American's for flying dictators into their world. Saudis flew airplanes into American skyscrapers for the same reason. Americans still seem really unsure of anything and are just flying around in circles. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Argus Posted January 4, 2016 Report Posted January 4, 2016 That's OK as long as the Saudis play ball....preaching "hatred of the West" can also be found...in the West. Lots of anti-Western ranting in Canadian and other universities (e.g. against Israel, U.K., U.S., etc.) Saudi Arabia is ultimately responsible for most of the anti-American hatred which is being espoused in the Muslim world. But I guess that just doesn't bother you much. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted January 4, 2016 Report Posted January 4, 2016 (edited) Saudi Arabia is ultimately responsible for most of the anti-American hatred which is being espoused in the Muslim world. But I guess that just doesn't bother you much. Saudi Arabia is one of our staunchest allies in the Muslim world. Why that bothers you seems quite out of character. Edited January 4, 2016 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Topaz Posted January 4, 2016 Report Posted January 4, 2016 What's wrong with the Middle-East region is too many fingers in the pot, too many outsiders sticking their nose were it shouldn't be and too many that want to see the Middle-East blown apart, destroy, allowing those "fingers" to invade and take over. BTW, did u know that in 1921, the US signed an agreement with Saudi Arabia, that if any country invades it, the US will be there and this pact have been update several times. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 4, 2016 Report Posted January 4, 2016 Saudi Arabia is ultimately responsible for most of the anti-American hatred which is being espoused in the Muslim world. But I guess that just doesn't bother you much. Sure doesn't....the House of Saud has been allied with the United States for a very long time. The USA gets lot of hatred from Canada too....so what ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 4, 2016 Report Posted January 4, 2016 Saudi Arabia is one of our staunchest allies in the Muslim world. Why that bothers you seems quite out of character. That's right...Canada has a big fat defense contract with the Saudis. Allied BFFs ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
GostHacked Posted January 5, 2016 Report Posted January 5, 2016 There's probably more profit to be realized by being on both sides. Or being a puppet master and pitting them against one another. Lessons learned from WWII and a person called Prescott Bush. Funding the Nazis while doing business in the USA. Quote
GostHacked Posted January 5, 2016 Report Posted January 5, 2016 Saudi Arabia is ultimately responsible for most of the anti-American hatred which is being espoused in the Muslim world. But I guess that just doesn't bother you much. Saudi Arabia is one of our staunchest allies in the Muslim world. Why that bothers you seems quite out of character. This is interesting turn of views in Argus from what I can tell. I've been complaining about the Saudi's for some time and now people are starting to get on board. Better late than never. But is it too late? I believe it is in part due to the price of oil dropping to under 50$ a barrel which by some stats it would need to stay at about 100$ a barrel for the Saudis to continue with their lifestyles. So the prediction I have now is an even bigger war in the M.E. Two factions that have major international backing. Iran-Syria backed by Russia. Not really sure who else is backing that side. Then we see Saudi Arabia with USA and some allies of the US, with Qatar, Bahrain. Because of this, Europe is being flooded with people causing many nations to close their borders. The EU conglomerate is about to crack. I have not seen things get better over in the M.E. over the past 25 years, only worse. The trend will continue, but I hope I am wrong. Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted January 5, 2016 Report Posted January 5, 2016 (edited) What's wrong with the Middle-East region is too many fingers in the pot, too many outsiders sticking their nose were it shouldn't be and too many that want to see the Middle-East blown apart, destroy, allowing those "fingers" to invade and take over. BTW, did u know that in 1921, the US signed an agreement with Saudi Arabia, that if any country invades it, the US will be there and this pact have been update several times. Yes basically that is it. Helping to occupy Palestine, installing puppet regimes to steal oil and control the region. The 1953 British-CIA sponsored coup which led to Iranian revolution which changed the political map of the world. The unilateral western support for Saddam Hussein Iraq in its invasion of Iran, The subsequent invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan, the support for stinky regime in Saudi Arabia. Unilateral unconditional support for Israel. And yes they do anything to protect the oil there and its pathway (Persian Gulf, and strait of Hormuz)). Including a pact with the devil. Edited January 5, 2016 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
Argus Posted January 5, 2016 Report Posted January 5, 2016 This is interesting turn of views in Argus from what I can tell. I've been complaining about the Saudi's for some time and now people are starting to get on board. Better late than never. The problem is that world terrorism is not centred in Afghanistan, it's centred in Saudi Arabia, and supported economically from there. Know when I first wrote that here? June 12, 2004. You are a johnnie-come-lately on this topic, bud. I have not seen things get better over in the M.E. over the past 25 years, only worse. The trend will continue, but I hope I am wrong. Unfortunately, this time I think you're probably correct. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted January 5, 2016 Report Posted January 5, 2016 Sure doesn't....the House of Saud has been allied with the United States for a very long time. The USA gets lot of hatred from Canada too....so what ? We don't murder your people in large job lots. They're responsible for the WTC you know. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Guest Posted January 5, 2016 Report Posted January 5, 2016 The Saudis are bastards, and so are the Iranians. The ones in charge, anyway. The sad thing is, the ones in charge are usually the last to die. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 5, 2016 Report Posted January 5, 2016 The Saudis are bastards, and so are the Iranians. The ones in charge, anyway. The sad thing is, the ones in charge are usually the last to die. The Americans are bigger bastards than both, but Canada still falls over itself trying to be economic BFFs. When does that big Saudi LAV contract start ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest Posted January 5, 2016 Report Posted January 5, 2016 I dont have any say in the shopping. I just wish the Saudis and the Iranians could destroy each other from the top down Quote
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