The_Squid Posted January 4, 2016 Author Report Posted January 4, 2016 Fascinating that the CBC version of this story got so many responses: "Over 5000 comments discussing something that has zero to do with Canadians. LOL." Why would there be such a strong reader response compared to other reported and more serious events from around the world ? Because America is an endless source of entertainment perhaps? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 4, 2016 Report Posted January 4, 2016 (edited) Because America is an endless source of entertainment perhaps? OK, but that is always the case, especially for Canada. What's so special about this particular story compared to others that get far fewer CBC reader comments ? Do some Canadians fear U.S. civil unrest or the overthrow of the U.S. government ? Edited January 4, 2016 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Derek 2.0 Posted January 4, 2016 Report Posted January 4, 2016 So now Derek2.0 thinks the Occupy protestors were just a peaceful group exercising their rights? When did this turn around take place? Where have I said different? I disagree with much of their dogma, but I never suggested they were terrorists. Oh wait.... it's about guns... they're just protestors now, because it's an issue that he agrees with. No, their protest is over land rights/control, coupled with a federal Government that recharged two convicted people for the same crime that they had already served punishment for. So if the government was to go in and remove the Oregon terrorists, like they should, then that would be fine and it would all end well? They've threatened to shoot if anyone tries to remove them. Why should the Government "go and remove" the Oregon protesters? I would think a more prudent approach for the US Federal Government would be along the lines of how Occupy was dealt with or how the Canadian Federal Government, as opposed to the Quebec Government, dealt with Oka.....namely wait them out unless they pose a threat to public safety. But they have guns and like the phrase "2nd amendment", so they're alright with Derek2.0. Where have I offered my opinion on the merits of their protest versus their conduct of their protest? I've yet to hear of this group protesting the Justice Departments sentencing of these two men, by liberating cartons of Kool menthols, malt liquor and by torching storefronts and parked cars in a major city or town. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted January 4, 2016 Report Posted January 4, 2016 Do these nutbars not have jobs?? Maybe they have more in common with the "Occupy" protests than first thought... One major difference between this group and "Occupy", is that through the use of similar tactics during the Bundy cattle removal, the Federal Government ended up folding, resulting in a protester "win"........I expect the Federal Government to either wait them out or fold yet again......... A point worth pondering, why is it, unlike Waco or Ruby Ridge, the US Federal Government has already folded to this group, and why it is they will do so yet again....... Quote
The_Squid Posted January 4, 2016 Author Report Posted January 4, 2016 (edited) The Feds appealed the sentence that was first handed to them, which was below the minimum. So now they're having to serve the manadatory minimum as the law prescribes. This isn't some sort of "double jeopardy" situation. It was an appeal and the original sentence was overturned. http://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/eastern-oregon-ranchers-convicted-arson-resentenced-five-years-prison Edited January 4, 2016 by The_Squid Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted January 4, 2016 Report Posted January 4, 2016 (edited) Do some Canadians fear U.S. civil unrest or the overthrow of the U.S. government ? Good question, I wonder if its "fear" brought about by the "lack of response" from the US Government. Edited January 4, 2016 by Derek 2.0 Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted January 4, 2016 Report Posted January 4, 2016 Fortunately, this group has nothing but guns. Political power grows out the barrel of a gun...........a tenant understood by Marxists over a century ago, but not understood by the Marxists of Occupy today........hence why they failed in the end. This group clearly understands the notion (likewise the Federal Government) and was able to translate actions into results during the Bundy cattle standoff, and I don't doubt they will do it yet again or at the very least be "allowed" to leave on their terms. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted January 4, 2016 Report Posted January 4, 2016 So now they're having to serve the manadatory minimum as the law prescribes. Wait a minute, I thought mandatory minimums were bad? Quote
Argus Posted January 4, 2016 Report Posted January 4, 2016 Are you suggesting this peaceful protest in the remote shrublands of Oregon shouldn't be allowed to continue because a number of said protesters are exercising their 2nd Amendment Right? I'm suggesting anyone who picks up a gun and says "I ain't paying no parking ticket" would have a SWAT team on his doorstep within ten minutes. The severity of the infraction is irrelevant compared to the evident willingness to refuse the force of law with violence. So these guys, holding guns and violating the law, should be treated the same way. Civil disobedience is a an entirely different concept when it's accompanied by firearms. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted January 4, 2016 Report Posted January 4, 2016 One major difference between this group and "Occupy", is that through the use of similar tactics during the Bundy cattle removal, the Federal Government ended up folding, resulting in a protester "win"....... That was a fiasco. If I'd been in charge every one of those armed protesters would be dead or in jail now. You set up on a bridge with a sniper scope aimed at police and you die. It's that simple. I don't give a damn what your issue is. You die or you surrender and go to jail. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
kimmy Posted January 4, 2016 Report Posted January 4, 2016 Several of Clive Bundy's sons are leaders in this Oregon incident. I don't know that "terrorism" is an accurate description. But this would qualify as armed insurrection, would it not? -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
TimG Posted January 4, 2016 Report Posted January 4, 2016 (edited) I don't know that "terrorism" is an accurate description. But this would qualify as armed insurrection, would it not?Kind a like this? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1f/Oka_stare_down.jpg Edited January 4, 2016 by TimG Quote
Shady Posted January 4, 2016 Report Posted January 4, 2016 Does anyone know the reasoning behind this action? I don't get it. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted January 4, 2016 Report Posted January 4, 2016 Does anyone know the reasoning behind this action? I don't get it. Apparently they had been poaching so lit the fire to cover up the evidence. Now they've been caught/charged/convicted their buddies are using their right wing, second amendment whack job approach to protest. Praise the lord and pass the ammo. Quote
Guest Posted January 4, 2016 Report Posted January 4, 2016 Does anyone know the reasoning behind this action? I don't get it. The armed militia chose to seize a government building because two ranchers were given jail time for setting fire to 100+ acres of leased federal land. The same group was involved in an armed standoff with police in the past. Those trying to equate this with protesters occupying public parks must either be attempting to play devils advocate or are delusional. The insane ravings of bloggers and radio hosts claiming the government will be seizing guns, invading Texas, seeking to topple Christianity and spread Islam, etc. are clearly dangerous. The creators of such goofy content may just be charlatans trying to make a buck off a gullible sector of the population, but that message especially when endorsed to varying degrees by the GOP, can cause serious problems. It's hard to believe that such a disconnect with reality can exist in the information age. Quote
Big Guy Posted January 4, 2016 Report Posted January 4, 2016 "I'll give you my gun when you pry (or take) it from my cold, dead hands"! Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Guest Posted January 4, 2016 Report Posted January 4, 2016 On a positive note, the Hammonds (those sentenced for setting fire to federal land) have rebuffed the support of the armed militia group that has seized government property. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted January 4, 2016 Report Posted January 4, 2016 It's instructive to contrast how law enforcement agencies are handling this vs how they handled Tamir Rice. - Black kid on playground with toy gun minding own business - immediately race in and shoot him. - White men occupying federal site with real guns calling for armed insurrection - sit back and wait them out Bring back Scott Walker - we really need that wall. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ReeferMadness Posted January 4, 2016 Report Posted January 4, 2016 The twitterverse is having a ball with these yahoos. Recent tags: #YallQaeda, #Yeehawdists. #Yokelharam and #VanillaISIS Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
eyeball Posted January 4, 2016 Report Posted January 4, 2016 The insane ravings of bloggers and radio hosts claiming the government will be seizing guns, invading Texas, seeking to topple Christianity and spread Islam, etc. are clearly dangerous. The creators of such goofy content may just be charlatans trying to make a buck off a gullible sector of the population, If these charlatans were Muslim they'd be shut down, rounded up and charged with radicalizing and promoting terrorism. The double standard here is so ridiculous it's hilarious. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 4, 2016 Report Posted January 4, 2016 If these charlatans were Muslim they'd be shut down, rounded up and charged with radicalizing and promoting terrorism. The double standard here is so ridiculous it's hilarious. So what ? If they were armed Canadians they would be shut down too. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted January 4, 2016 Report Posted January 4, 2016 So what ? If they were armed Canadians they would be shut down too. I know! It's hilarious. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Big Guy Posted January 4, 2016 Report Posted January 4, 2016 (edited) The gun advocates insist that guns are only used to hunt, target shoot or defence. They are not for shooting other people. What are those militia guys target shooting, hunting or defending in that Conservation office? Edited January 4, 2016 by Big Guy Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
eyeball Posted January 4, 2016 Report Posted January 4, 2016 The gun advocates insist that guns are only used to hunt, target shoot or defence. They are not for shooting other people. What are those militia guys target shooting, hunting or defending in that Conservation office? I think they're defending the nation from the state...or some such thing. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
ReeferMadness Posted January 4, 2016 Report Posted January 4, 2016 They don't want the Federal Government to have control of lands. They want it controlled by the state and county, who, they presume, will encourage it to be used for ranching and logging instead of wildlife refuges. Consider them anti-environmentalists. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
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