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[kimmy]

Turns out Planned Parenthood was not on the up and up. The rule of law might be a big deal, but the application of the law seems to be inconsistent.

If you're referring to those fake "sting" videos, you're wrong. And that's completely beside the point anyway.

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[Argus]

You seem to have no idea what activists have stood up for to protect our planet. Grow a pair argus and find out.

The pair I have is more than sufficient to cause me to beat the ever loving crap out of any activist that gets in the way of heating my home because he wants to protest global warming, thanks.

[Argus]

I am not imposing values. I am sharing information. It's up to every citizen of the world to decide what they are willing to throw their weight behind.

And it is up to police to throw their weight behind a billy club to the head of citizens who break the law.

[Argus]

Everyone has their benchmark for a safe planet.

And mine starts with a law abiding society, not one where people pick and choose when they will or will not obey the law.

[eyeball]

So the law-abiding starts after you've beaten the ever-loving crap out of an activist? This sort of attitude is precisely why we have activists in the world. They're up against the same thing all the time. People who claim they're protecting the environment on the one hand while destroying it with the other.

In the face of such BS I think in my law abiding society it would be reasonable to defend yourself from having the crap beaten out of you.

[Argus]

So the law-abiding starts after you've beaten the ever-loving crap out of an activist?

Activists tend to use physical force against people in order to 'get their attention'. That being the case, it's perfectly lawful to defend oneself. If an activist turns off the oil to my house and then prevents me from turning it back on I think anything I did would likely be legal.

[TimG]

In the face of such BS I think in my law abiding society it would be reasonable to defend yourself from having the crap beaten out of you.

What I find most ridiculous are protesters who use the threat of violence to block access to something (e.g. if you try pass by us we will stop you violently) and then protest if people feel they have no choice but to use violence in order to clear access to something they are entitled to have access to. Hypocritical slimebags is to kind a word to apply to such activists. Edited December 24, 2015 by TimG

[eyeball]

What I find most ridiculous are protesters who use the threat of violence to block access to something (e.g. if you try pass by us we will stop you violently) and then protest if people feel they have no choice but to use violence in order to clear access to something they are entitled to have access to. Hypocritical slimebags is to kind a word to apply to such activists.

What I find ridiculous is people who write when they can't read.

[eyeball]

Activists tend to use physical force against people in order to 'get their attention'. That being the case, it's perfectly lawful to defend oneself. If an activist turns off the oil to my house and then prevents me from turning it back on I think anything I did would likely be legal.

I guess they feel much the same way when governments/corporations etc claim to be protecting things when they're actively wrecking them at the same time.

[ironstone]

These activists do have a right to protest peacefully but they should not have the right to disrupt anyone else in doing so.They should also be thrown in jail when they commit acts of vandalism.Normally they just get a mild slap on the wrist.I suspect most of them have no idea what's it like to actually have to earn an honest living.Too bad it's not possible to cut off their (foreign)funding completely.

[overthere]

The correct term for this activity is riot tourism.

Many hydrocarbons are burned in the protests against burning hydrocarbons.

[PIK]

I re ember watching a show where a reporter followed one of the leaders in some occupy protest, talking about being poor and no hope ,but yet walked to a parking lot to her Mercedes .

[jacee]

What right do you have to inconvenience me in the name of your pet cause?

How has shutting down Line 9 inconvenienced you?

You might be wise to dump your Enbridge stocks. Lol

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[jacee]

I re ember watching a show where a reporter followed one of the leaders in some occupy protest, talking about being poor and no hope ,but yet walked to a parking lot to her Mercedes .

Link?

[jacee]

Activists tend to use physical force against people in order to 'get their attention'.

Where did that happen?

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[jacee]

These activists do have a right to protest peacefully but they should not have the right to disrupt anyone else in doing so.

Working people have had the right to strike and block and disrupt business for a long time. It is necessary to allow civil disobedience in democratic society to avoid a power imbalance.

They should also be thrown in jail when they commit acts of vandalism.

Nothing was vandalized. They just turned it off.

It's civil disobedience to draw attention to an issue.

Too bad it's not possible to cut off their (foreign)funding completely.

What foreign funding?

Link?

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[jacee]

The correct term for this activity is riot tourism.

Many hydrocarbons are burned in the protests against burning hydrocarbons.

"Riot"???

There were three people there, sitting quietly.

How you do catastrophize!!

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[overthere]

Nothing was vandalized. They just turned it off.

Yes, shutting down a major pipeline wouldn't cost anybody anything.

There were three people there, sitting quietly.

Criminal trespass and shutting down a major pipeline are A-OK in your book. Gotcha.

Would you be so pleased if I sat on a bus and touched the buttocks of every person that passed?. I'd be sitting and very quiet.

Or how about if I hacked your computer and erased every word. Sitting quietly while I did it. Nobody hurt, right?

[Guest]

It is necessary to allow civil disobedience in democratic society to avoid a power imbalance.

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Do you believe this to be true even if you disagree with those being disobedient?

[Argus]

Where did that happen?

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Everywhere.

[jacee]

Do you believe this to be true even if you disagree with those being disobedient?

Yes.

And to those who speak against those I don't agree with too.

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[ironstone]

Working people have had the right to strike and block and disrupt business for a long time. It is necessary to allow civil disobedience in democratic society to avoid a power imbalance.

Nothing was vandalized. They just turned it off.

It's civil disobedience to draw attention to an issue.

What foreign funding?

Link?

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http://www.ezralevant.com/foreign_funding/

http://www.therebel.media/leadnow

http://tidescanada.org/land-and-water/applause-for-u-s-funds-aimed-at-improving-our-environment-business-in-vancouver-dec-13-19/

http://moneytrail.ca/moneytrail1.html

http://business.financialpost.com/fp-comment/peter-foster-green-billionaires-undermining-canada

[jacee]

http://www.ezralevant.com/foreign_funding/

http://www.therebel.media/leadnow

http://tidescanada.org/land-and-water/applause-for-u-s-funds-aimed-at-improving-our-environment-business-in-vancouver-dec-13-19/

http://moneytrail.ca/moneytrail1.html

http://business.financialpost.com/fp-comment/peter-foster-green-billionaires-undermining-canada

I do find it disturbing that LeadNow has foreign funding: People of another country lobbying/interfering with our elections is against international law.

However, you have not identified any link, any foreign funding of these activists.

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[Guest]

Yes.

And to those who speak against those I don't agree with too.

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Then I am the opposite of you. I believe in the right of anyone to protest anything, whether I agree with them of not, but I do not believe in the right of anyone to break the law during a protest, again, whether I agree with them or not. I do think some laws are stupid.

[jacee]

Then I am the opposite of you. I believe in the right of anyone to protest anything, whether I agree with them of not, but I do not believe in the right of anyone to break the law during a protest, again, whether I agree with them or not. I do think some laws are stupid.

We break a law during a protest every time we walk in a road.

Civil disobedience = breaking some laws. That's why it's "disobedience".

And you misinterpreted my admittedly circular statement: We agree on the right to protest, regardless of whether we agree with the position taken.

I do draw a line at violence against persons, except in self defence.

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Edited January 2, 2016 by jacee