ironstone Posted January 2, 2016 Report Posted January 2, 2016 I do find it disturbing that LeadNow has foreign funding: People of another country lobbying/interfering with our elections is against international law. However, you have not identified any link, any foreign funding of these activists. . You seem to admit LeadNow gets foreign funding,and the links I posted do in fact suggest some of these environmental groups in Canada do take foreign funds. Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
WestCoastRunner Posted January 2, 2016 Report Posted January 2, 2016 Then I am the opposite of you. I believe in the right of anyone to protest anything, whether I agree with them of not, but I do not believe in the right of anyone to break the law during a protest, again, whether I agree with them or not. I do think some laws are stupid. The problem is that many laws do not allow for peaceful protests and stifle their message. Law enforcement will also rummage through their bi-laws to see what will stick when disrupting demonstrations. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
jacee Posted January 2, 2016 Author Report Posted January 2, 2016 (edited) You seem to admit LeadNow gets foreign funding,and the links I posted do in fact suggest some of these environmental groups in Canada do take foreign funds.I don't have a problem with that. The environmental movement is worldwide.I do have a problem with foreign interference in elections. And you still have not identified any foreign funding link to these particular activists. I don't believe there is one. . Edited January 2, 2016 by jacee Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 2, 2016 Report Posted January 2, 2016 True....it not like Greenpeace or the Sierra Club were founded in Canada. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
WestCoastRunner Posted January 2, 2016 Report Posted January 2, 2016 True....it not like Greenpeace or the Sierra Club were founded in Canada. What's your point here? Not sure how/what to respond to here? Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 2, 2016 Report Posted January 2, 2016 What's your point here? Not sure how/what to respond to here? Those two organizations, and many others, came from other nations, just like the "outsider" money. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
WestCoastRunner Posted January 2, 2016 Report Posted January 2, 2016 Those two organizations, and many others, came from other nations, just like the "outsider" money. Ok? Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Guest Posted January 3, 2016 Report Posted January 3, 2016 We break a law during a protest every time we walk in a road. Civil disobedience = breaking some laws. That's why it's "disobedience". And you misinterpreted my admittedly circular statement: We agree on the right to protest, regardless of whether we agree with the position taken. I do draw a line at violence against persons, except in self defence. . And you can be fined if you are caught jaywalking. I would hope the protesters are fined or jailed if they are found to have broken the law. People who indulge in civil disobedience would, I hope, be prepared to suffer the consequences. That said, it wouldn't be correct to assume I agree with all the laws. Quote
Guest Posted January 3, 2016 Report Posted January 3, 2016 The problem is that many laws do not allow for peaceful protests and stifle their message. Law enforcement will also rummage through their bi-laws to see what will stick when disrupting demonstrations. I agree. Some laws are wrong, and some are not. I know of some I think are wrong, but you might not. We can all work to change them if we want, but in the meantime, we can't complain if we suffer the consequences of breaking them. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted January 3, 2016 Report Posted January 3, 2016 I agree. Some laws are wrong, and some are not. I know of some I think are wrong, but you might not. We can all work to change them if we want, but in the meantime, we can't complain if we suffer the consequences of breaking them. Of course we can complain. Isn't that what freedom of speech is all about. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Guest Posted January 3, 2016 Report Posted January 3, 2016 (edited) Of course we can complain. Isn't that what freedom of speech is all about. Touche. But I meant it figuratively, as in, you can't complain if your parachute doesn't open if you let someone else pack it. Edited January 3, 2016 by bcsapper Quote
jacee Posted January 3, 2016 Author Report Posted January 3, 2016 And you can be fined if you are caught jaywalking.Typically not during protests.We have the right to demonstrate peacefully. WE PAY POLICE SALARIES to protect our democratic rights, to protect us from undue state oppression. Properly, police are the intended protectors of the people, not the oppressive arm of the state! I would hope the protesters are fined or jailed if they are found to have broken the law. People who indulge in civil disobedience would, I hope, be prepared to suffer the consequences. That said, it wouldn't be correct to assume I agree with all the laws. Sarnia: http://www.vice.com/read/protesters-keep-shutting-down-the-line-9-oil-pipeline The three protesters have been charged with mischief over $5,000 and mischief endangering life, the latter of which can come with major jail time if there is a conviction (maximum sentence is life in prison). One of the women was also charged with resisting arrest. Quebec: http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/canadian-activists-show-theres-a-very-easy-but-dangerous-way-to-shut-down-pipelines In the aftermath of the action, the three activists say they are being charged with mischief, trespassing (breaking and entering), and obstruction. We'll see what the courts do with balancing the right to dissent. "endangering life"? Only their own. The pipeline endangers a lot of lives. . Quote
Guest Posted January 3, 2016 Report Posted January 3, 2016 Typically not during protests. We have the right to demonstrate peacefully. WE PAY POLICE SALARIES to protect our democratic rights, to protect us from undue state oppression. Properly, police are the intended protectors of the people, not the oppressive arm of the state! Sarnia: http://www.vice.com/read/protesters-keep-shutting-down-the-line-9-oil-pipeline The three protesters have been charged with mischief over $5,000 and mischief endangering life, the latter of which can come with major jail time if there is a conviction (maximum sentence is life in prison). One of the women was also charged with resisting arrest. Quebec: http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/canadian-activists-show-theres-a-very-easy-but-dangerous-way-to-shut-down-pipelines In the aftermath of the action, the three activists say they are being charged with mischief, trespassing (breaking and entering), and obstruction. We'll see what the courts do with balancing the right to dissent. "endangering life"? Only their own. The pipeline endangers a lot of lives. . The courts do things we all find whacky, at times. In this case one of us is going to find it whacky. Quote
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.