Bob Macadoo Posted December 13, 2015 Report Posted December 13, 2015 It seems the Ontario strategy to avoid costly increases to generating capacity is to decrease demand by driving all business out of province/country. So far, so good. The dollar parity did most of the hard work.....drove exporters away.....even made our power importers (New York/Michigan) look elsewhere for cheaper power. I'm told that it had nothing to do with $100 /barrel oil.......what do those Dutch and their diseases know anyway. Am I right? Quote
waldo Posted December 15, 2015 Report Posted December 15, 2015 Oh c'mon Waldo - these guys have been incompetent, corrupt or both for more than a decade. It's unfortunate that there hasn't been an alternative that's canny enough to know hoe to defeat an opponent that is so clearly enmeshed with labour. Tim Hudak was a dufus - I guess we'll just have to wait for sanity to prevail. Get a grip Waldo - even by Liberal standards, these guys don't deserve your obsequience! Simple, I encourage you to actually try to contribute related content to this thread; most pointedly, to attempt to counter my posts you feel so concerned over. Raise your drive-by sniping bar Simple! Quote
ironstone Posted December 16, 2015 Report Posted December 16, 2015 What's happening in Ontario and Alberta will now happen across the country.This is "progressive" government.Prime Minister Trudeau and co-Prime Minster Gerald Butts have already made it clear they will pile up huge amounts of debt for years to come. Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
ron Young Posted December 21, 2015 Report Posted December 21, 2015 All of the Liberals did this and Conservatives did that does absolutely nothing but allow all politicians to continue doing what they do best. Screwing us. The problem isn't split between Liberals and Conservatives the problem is money, power and greed. Always has been and always will be as long as we allow it to continue. Solution is to fix the larger problem and all of the small problems will vanish. Trouble is the only folks currently able to fix the larger problem never will because of well....Greed, Power and Money. Quote
dougkinsman Posted December 23, 2015 Report Posted December 23, 2015 SOO true - the Liberal Spin.. I don't care what Waldo says because no Canadian/Ontario consumer really cares what he says. All the know is that the cost of their hydro has escalated at a rate may times that of the consumer index and that it is far higher than others and that the costs on the bill to pay for THEIR DEBT and incompetence is infuriating. Why people keep voting liberal escapes me - but they got what they wished for. left wing policies that fail. Quote
overthere Posted December 24, 2015 Report Posted December 24, 2015 The dollar parity did most of the hard work.....drove exporters away.....even made our power importers (New York/Michigan) look elsewhere for cheaper power. I'm told that it had nothing to do with $100 /barrel oil.......what do those Dutch and their diseases know anyway. Am I right? Cheap money, cheap energy, lots of workers available and still everybody leaves town and takes their capital with them. Where are Harper and Mike Harris when you need somebody to lynch? No I won't go there, not when we have Wynne and Trudeau to lead us to a prosperous future! Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
waldo Posted December 24, 2015 Report Posted December 24, 2015 SOO true - the Liberal Spin.. I don't care what Waldo says because no Canadian/Ontario consumer really cares what he says. All the know is that the cost of their hydro has escalated at a rate may times that of the consumer index and that it is far higher than others and that the costs on the bill to pay for THEIR DEBT and incompetence is infuriating. Why people keep voting liberal escapes me - but they got what they wished for. left wing policies that fail. "the cost of their hydro"... as in you're not from Ontario? But you're infuriated? your opinion... your unsubstantiated opinion, is noted. What goes into Ontario electricity pricing is a rather complex topic; one that reflects upon current, relatively current and past government practices/policies. Care to extend upon your infuriated state? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 24, 2015 Report Posted December 24, 2015 Ontario on peak "hydro" rates are up 77% in just five years. Yay Smart Meters ! http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-hydro-graph-1.3300960 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
waldo Posted December 24, 2015 Report Posted December 24, 2015 Ontario on peak "hydro" rates are up 77% in just five years. Yay Smart Meters ! http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-hydro-graph-1.3300960 changing consumer habits requires incentives... as an example, higher peak prices should encourage customers to adjust usage to leverage lower mid-peak, off-peak rates. You know... that conservation thingee! Extending through your supplied link, Ontario Hydro provides a small sampling snapshot of on average, time-of-use consumption (note: screenshot taken as graphic is resolved through dynamic assigned parameters). of course, by definition, on-peak is when consumer demand is highest and more expensive forms of electricity production are used to meet that demand. It would appear from this very limited sampling example, Ontario residents with smart meters aren't yet willing to embrace opportunities to save money... and yet 'MLW malcontents' are forever whining over higher electricity costs... perhaps on-peak pricing isn't "high enough" to change some applicable usage practices. Quote
Boges Posted December 24, 2015 Report Posted December 24, 2015 (edited) changing consumer habits requires incentives... ---SNIP--- You really don't save that much money though. Delivery is the bulk of the bill anyway. You could use no electricity and still get a bill for about half of what it normally is. It's not hard to use offpeak times to do a bulk of your consumption. You get all weekend and anytime after 7pm. However people with electric heating are hit hard by this scheme. Edited December 24, 2015 by Charles Anthony excessive quoting; [---SNIP---] Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 26, 2015 Report Posted December 26, 2015 You really don't save that much money though. Delivery is the bulk of the bill anyway. You could use no electricity and still get a bill for about half of what it normally is. That's appears to be the case...no matter what consumers do to alter habits, they will be socked with just another hocus-pocus charge/rate to increase revenues. What a scam ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Topaz Posted December 31, 2015 Report Posted December 31, 2015 more reports out today tells how hydro customers in Ontario are really going to be hit with increases and the only thing customers can do is try to keep the use down but on the other hand if we do, they always increase the rates because they aren't making enough money! On the Toronto TV news , it said Toronto customers are going to have 170.00 dollars increase yearly on their bills and since they voted for this party only fair to share the financial pain. Once the private sector take over the transmission sector, we'll probably see more increases, which may come back against the government. http://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/topstories/ontario-hydro-bills-to-jump-again-in-new-year/ar-BBo51M4?li=AAggFp5&ocid=SK2MDHP Quote
Shady Posted December 31, 2015 Report Posted December 31, 2015 Just getting a chuckle out of Waldo. Actually trying to defend the record of incompetence from the provincial Liberals. Hahahahahaha I have to agree. Anybody trying to defend the corruption and incompetence of this government can only be described as a partisan hack. Anybody with a measure of objectivity would rate this government very poorly. No matter what side of the political spectrum. Incompetence knows no ideology. It just is. Quote
Bob Macadoo Posted December 31, 2015 Report Posted December 31, 2015 Anybody wih a measure of objectivity would rate this government very poorly. No matter what side of the political spectrum. Incompetence knows no ideology. It just is.Agreed. Yet I predict Brown will at best cause a Liberal minority. There is just enough accomplishment to paper over the disappointments. Quote
Topaz Posted December 31, 2015 Report Posted December 31, 2015 Surely there is someone out there in the world that have the IQ to come up with an invention to replace electricity or a way of using it cheaper and I hope its not living in a Tiny House! Quote
Shady Posted December 31, 2015 Report Posted December 31, 2015 Agreed. Yet I predict Brown will at best cause a Liberal minority. There is just enough accomplishment to paper over the disappointments. At least with a liberal minority it would slow the damage being done to the province. Quote
Shady Posted December 31, 2015 Report Posted December 31, 2015 Surely there is someone out there in the world that have the IQ to come up with an invention to replace electricity or a way of using it cheaper and I hope its not living in a Tiny House! There will be soon. Technology isn't very far away from it. Quote
Topaz Posted January 1, 2016 Report Posted January 1, 2016 I just read on my online Bell phone land phone bill, that rates are going up 15%, in Ontario, probably the reasoning behind that is many are cutting off the land lines and going to cell phones. So now we have Bell and Hydro to deal with and I'm sure some of us will have increase in property taxes or water etc. and the government keeps telling us household debt is out of control, gee I wonder why? Quote
overthere Posted January 1, 2016 Report Posted January 1, 2016 more reports out today tells how hydro customers in Ontario are really going to be hit with increases and the only thing customers can do is try to keep the use down but on the other hand if we do, they always increase the rates because they aren't making enough money! On the Toronto TV news , it said Toronto customers are going to have 170.00 dollars increase yearly on their bills and since they voted for this party only fair to share the financial pain. Once the private sector take over the transmission sector, we'll probably see more increases, which may come back against the government. http://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/topstories/ontario-hydro-bills-to-jump-again-in-new-year/ar-BBo51M4?li=AAggFp5&ocid=SK2MDHP That is the main purpose of smart meters.......Ontario Hydro is obliged to push hard on energy conservation- less power being consumed, and less power consumed during peak hours which has a crucial crucial impact for them: they do not have to invest monster bucks into capital investments to handle increasing peak capacity requirements. and the bonus for them is that they can maintain their revenue streams without providing more product overall. It is all gravy for them, and it is all couched in the language of a feelgood green initiative. It does not matter what consumers do to reduce consumption, OH will just adjust time-of-use and rates to keep the same or more money roilling in. And now they can do that without spending anything. Of course. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Bob Macadoo Posted January 1, 2016 Report Posted January 1, 2016 It does not matter what consumers do to reduce consumption, OH will just adjust time-of-use and rates to keep the same or more money roilling in. And now they can do that without spending anything. Of course. Except you know investing in ever aging infrastructure? I'd rather they adjust rate windows than the gov't use taxes to make up shortfall. Quote
overthere Posted January 1, 2016 Report Posted January 1, 2016 Except you know investing in ever aging infrastructure? I'd rather they adjust rate windows than the gov't use taxes to make up shortfall. Buddy it is a shell game. "adjust rate windows"? What a wonderful euphemism for pounding it right up your colon: you'll pay for it all including replacing infrastructure, and you'll think you're doing something meaningful while you are. Now that is what I call power marketing. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Shady Posted January 2, 2016 Report Posted January 2, 2016 Buddy it is a shell game. "adjust rate windows"? What a wonderful euphemism for pounding it right up your colon: you'll pay for it all including replacing infrastructure, and you'll think you're doing something meaningful while you are. Now that is what I call power marketing. Yep. It's sad that some people will defend rank incompetence right up until the bitter end. All in the name of partisan politics. Quote
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