DogOnPorch Posted December 13, 2015 Report Posted December 13, 2015 And you have been shown the bible, and it seems you ignored it. Both have suffered from convenient misinterpretations. You're free to show me where in the Bible Jesus instructs his followers to kill the non-believer. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted December 13, 2015 Report Posted December 13, 2015 You're free to show me where in the Bible Jesus instructs his followers to kill the non-believer. It was God that instructed his followers to kill, not Jesus.
dialamah Posted December 13, 2015 Report Posted December 13, 2015 You're free to show me where in the Bible Jesus instructs his followers to kill the non-believer. Luke 19:27-28 - "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me. After Jesus had said this, he went on ahead, going up to Jerusalem"
On Guard for Thee Posted December 13, 2015 Report Posted December 13, 2015 You're free to show me where in the Bible Jesus instructs his followers to kill the non-believer. Deuteronomy 17: 2 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant, 3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel: 5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.
Smallc Posted December 13, 2015 Report Posted December 13, 2015 It was God that instructed his followers to kill, not Jesus. Yeah, but apparently, none of that stuff counts. That's funny, because that's certainly not what I learned. The focus of Christianity is on the new testament. The old testament is still the word of God.
Guest Posted December 13, 2015 Report Posted December 13, 2015 When will people understand that it's not what the book says, but what the believers do about it, that matters?
Bob Macadoo Posted December 13, 2015 Report Posted December 13, 2015 When will people understand that it's not what the book says, but what the believers do about it, that matters? Or those who claim to be "the true believers"......
Guest Posted December 13, 2015 Report Posted December 13, 2015 Or those who claim to be "the true believers"...... As I've said, I've no right to tell anyone who claims to be a true believer that they are not. It's up to them to decide on the reasons behind their actions, not me.
Bob Macadoo Posted December 13, 2015 Report Posted December 13, 2015 As I've said, I've no right to tell anyone who claims to be a true believer that they are not. It's up to them to decide on the reasons behind their actions, not me. Not when they try to speak for more themself.....or those then try to project those decisions to others.
Guest Posted December 13, 2015 Report Posted December 13, 2015 Not when they try to speak for more themself.....or those then try to project those decisions to others. I'm not sure what that means, but I probably disagree with it.
Bob Macadoo Posted December 13, 2015 Report Posted December 13, 2015 I'm not sure what that means, but I probably disagree with it. Just pointing out you have no right to dispute stated motives until that individual tries to represent more than themself or propogandists try to project that motive beyond the confines of that individual.
Guest Posted December 13, 2015 Report Posted December 13, 2015 Just pointing out you have no right to dispute stated motives until that individual tries to represent more than themself or propogandists try to project that motive beyond the confines of that individual. I was wrong. I don't disagree with that.
DogOnPorch Posted December 13, 2015 Report Posted December 13, 2015 Luke 19:27-28 - "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me. After Jesus had said this, he went on ahead, going up to Jerusalem" Luke: A parable. Jesus isn't referring to himself. He's telling a story. Deuteronomy is from the Old Testament. The Hebrew Bible. Now...given that you'll reject my response, give me a few examples of Christians using these passages to justify the slaughter of the unbeliever...since you two brought them up as examples. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted December 13, 2015 Report Posted December 13, 2015 Yeah, but apparently, none of that stuff counts. That's funny, because that's certainly not what I learned. The focus of Christianity is on the new testament. The old testament is still the word of God. Written by men...or women in certain cases. Deborah comes to mind. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dialamah Posted December 13, 2015 Report Posted December 13, 2015 Luke: A parable. Jesus isn't referring to himself. He's telling a story. Deuteronomy is from the Old Testament. The Hebrew Bible. Now...given that you'll reject my response, give me a few examples of Christians using these passages to justify the slaughter of the unbeliever...since you two brought them up as examples. Actually, I won't reject your response that the verse in Luke is out of context and thus inaccurate - it's true. I would ask, however, that you consider the same holds true of those who select certain verses of the Quran to support their contention that Islam is all about violence. Are some Muslims violent and base their violence on things they find in the Quran? Yes, absolutely true. On the other hand, there are many more Muslims who are not violent, and they also base their peacefulness on things they find in the Quran. To me, it is incongruent thinking to reject the violence the Bible teaches, and also reject the peacefulness the Quran teaches.
Argus Posted December 13, 2015 Report Posted December 13, 2015 And those are Sunnis. The "moderate" ones. Whether you're a Sunni or not is no indication of whether you're 'moderate' or not. ISIS are Sunnis, so are the members of Al Quaeda. Likewise just because you're heading for Europe that is no indication you don't sympathize with either of those groups, or at least their goals, even if you're not willing to fight alongside them. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted December 13, 2015 Report Posted December 13, 2015 Could be some kind of phobia. A phobia is an unreasoned fear. Wariness about Islam is not unreasoned. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted December 13, 2015 Report Posted December 13, 2015 A phobia is an unreasoned fear. Wariness about Islam is not unreasoned. I doubt there is any pressure on you to attend a mosque is there?
Argus Posted December 13, 2015 Report Posted December 13, 2015 (edited) Not when they try to speak for more themself.....or those then try to project those decisions to others. Hey, if someone takes a survey and it shows 70% of Muslims in a whole country feel apostates and blasphemers should be executed that isn't an indication of any sort of religious extremism! Get with the program! Only a tiny minority are extremists! Edited December 13, 2015 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted December 13, 2015 Report Posted December 13, 2015 I doubt there is any pressure on you to attend a mosque is there? I don't believe I've ever expressed any care or concern about that. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted December 13, 2015 Report Posted December 13, 2015 I don't believe I've ever expressed any care or concern about that. Then no need to be wary.
Argus Posted December 13, 2015 Report Posted December 13, 2015 Then no need to be wary. I have other concerns with the importation of large numbers of people with values which are foreign and hostile to my own. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted December 13, 2015 Report Posted December 13, 2015 I have other concerns with the importation of large numbers of people with values which are foreign and hostile to my own. It's no surprise given how outnumbered your values are by people who already live here. A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
On Guard for Thee Posted December 13, 2015 Report Posted December 13, 2015 I have other concerns with the importation of large numbers of people with values which are foreign and hostile to my own. As has been pointed out here numerous times, you should be more concerned about being hit by lighting. But I guess phobias take all kinds of tacks.
Argus Posted December 13, 2015 Report Posted December 13, 2015 It's no surprise given how outnumbered your values are by people who already live here. I've seen nothing to indicate your expressed values are shared by more than a small minority of progressive elistists. Mine, on the other hand, are pretty much universal. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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