Islamophobia in Canada

[Rue]

11 hours ago, taxme said:

Well, some historical revisionists think differently. Correct me if I am wrong here but where Israel stands today, did that not belong to a people called Palestinians, and that Israel was once a country called Palestine? 

Palestine was never a country. This thread is not about the origins of Israel.

[Rue]

12 hours ago, taxme said:

Well, apparently many Jewish organizations in Canada want to put a halt to white immigration too Canada. They appear to support third world immigration only.

Provide the list. You fabricate crap.

[Rue]

16 hours ago, taxme said:

. They will call me a racist or anti-semitic for daring to question or challenge their authority over Canada and Canadians or pretty much the rest of the world..   

"They"?  Here I am. You want to call me a Jew, say so. "They". Lol. By the way Taxme, if I call you out for being a bigot and an anti-Semite it is because you state

false negative stereotypes to justify hatred against Jews, Muslims, etc. You have provided no proof either I or any Jew or any Muslim has authority over Canada.

When you do I will probably challenge it as crap. For now however it remains a figment of your imagination. In your mind Jews and Muslims control you.

Maybe Taxme if you can't sell your paintings its simply because they are crap.

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[Rue]

19 hours ago, eyeball said:

That's what you heard rue, it's certainly not what I said, ever.

 

 

You Eyeball have repeatedly scapegoated the West for the turmoil in Muslim societies. Your words are on record, Anyone can find them. You sound like either you  re at Nuremberg or are Donald Trump's press secretary.

[-TSS-]

It is ramadan-time and there is an election coming up in the UK. Both factors explain the current wave of terror-attacks.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, Rue said:

You Eyeball have repeatedly scapegoated the West for the turmoil in Muslim societies. Your words are on record, Anyone can find them. 

No I've never done that. Not even once.

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[Goh Shenas]

22 hours ago, Rue said:

Your first sentence reflects the fact  you have no awareness of where to find the reference to peaceful behaviour in the Koran or other Islamic doctrine. They exist. The fact you do not know they exist only reflects your ignorance posed as a declaration.

Your second sentence is illogical. Daesh are a terrorist cell of radical Muslims. It is illogical to say one must me a member of Daesh to be a  Muslim. If that wree the case they would not for example be at war with other Muslims let alone the West. The idiocy of the statement let alone its lack of logic speaks for itself.

Third sentence-shows when red in conjunction with the second sentence shows you have come on this board to blame al Muslims for people who engage in terrorist attacks in the name of Islam.

Your fourth sentence is designed do what incite Jews and Christians to join you? Lol.

In regards to the fourth sentence and the entire comment, I will call you out calling you a person  who comes on this board to engage in the above kind of comments to try incite Muslims to feel non Muslims are so stupid they can't differentiate Muslims from extremist Muslims.

Hey now whether your name is Khalid or Go Shenas does it really matter? 

1- There is nothing peaceful about Islam. You are free to defend it.

2- Daesh is following a sect of Islam that is causing lots of deaths.

3- Muslims are to blame for following this barbaric religion.

4- I never called Jews or Christians stupid. For those who are familiar with my writing they will find your statement ludicrous tarnishing jews or christians here.

5- Re: your last sentence, wtf are you talking about? 

 

[Goh Shenas]

1 hour ago, -TSS- said:

It is ramadan-time and there is an election coming up in the UK. Both factors explain the current wave of terror-attacks.

Two attacks in the space of two weeks! Manchester bombing and now London! When is this insanity going to end?

[Goh Shenas]

16 hours ago, taxme said:

Hey, you never know. Most politicians are puppets on a string of the zionists. 

Hey dude what have you got against jews? Why do you blame jews? This is about sick Muslims killing infidels. Leave jews out!  Muslims are not to be trusted as long as they follow that religion. 

[Goh Shenas]

14 hours ago, taxme said:

And all those Jews now living in Israel today pretty much came from Europe. 

Cite?

[Rue]

Go Shenahs I will address some of your comments:

You stated:

1a-"There is nothing peaceful about Islam."

You have never read the Koran or for that matter studied Islam.  You don't even know a Muslim. You have no clue for example who Ahmadiyya Muslims are. You have no clue what the Muslim Reform Movement is. You have no idea who the following people or are what they believe: Abdul Hadi Palazzi,  Imam Dr Muhammad Al-Hussaini,  Nemat Sadat, Ed Husain,  Dr. Tawfik Hamid, Tasibh Sayyed, Salah Choudhury, Irshad Manji, Salim Mansur, Abdurrahman Wahid, Mithal al_Alusi, Kasim Hafeez, Abdullah Saad  Al-Hadlaq, Zudi Jasser, Khaleel Mohammed,   Nadiya Al-Noor, Noor Dahri, Farooq Haider Khan, Dr. Quanta A. Ahmed, Mudar Zahran, Mohsen Makhmalbaf, Hammad Al Dossari, Nabil Al Fadhl. You have no clue what "abrogation" means when reading the Koran's passages. You have not an iota of understanding of Islam. Thus  you spew out ignorant comments about it and all Muslims.

 

You stated- 1b "You are free to defend it."  I defend any innocent  person including innocent Muslims from people like you who smeer them all with negative hateful descriptions. "It" has a name. It has many names. Its men, women, children, people who blow up the same way I do in a terrorist attack. It has a name. It breathes. It bleeds. As for the Koran, I do not defend anyone who interprets it to justify violence and terror. I can and have taken the Koran and studied it just as I have the Christian Bible and Jewish Bible, the words of the Buddha, Prince Sidharta, the Taoists, The followers of Lao Tzu, Confucius, the Hindu scholars, the Bahaii Scholars, the works of Siekh gurus, etc. I can and do read their works with great respect and look for the passages that call for us to be peaceful, civilized, develop insights as to our behavior. It makes me ashamed or humble in a good way. They can all bring me to the same place. You clearly see something you've  never read, the Koran, and billions of people you have never met, as something you are entitled to hate. I don't defend anyone who is ignorant or violent. I challenge them as I do you for those exact two reasons.

You stated, " 5. Re: your last sentence, wtf are you talking about? "

I find your words ignorant and violent and that is why you can call yourself any name you want on this forum, there is absolutely no difference between you and Muslim terrorists. You speak the identical language. In fact the more I read your words the more they sound like an extremist Muslim trying to incite anti Muslim comments on the board because in a twisted way you want to prove everyone hates Muslims and you are justified in hating non Muslims.

This constant message that all Muslims are violent and inhuman, whether it comes from neo Nazi web sites or Tehran ones, I don't give a damn.

So what is your name, Khalid, Muhammed or do you want to be called Hans, Ludwig, Batholamew Watkins the third. Which one is it because where I sit, whether you play neo Nazi or Muslim extremist on this board, it doesn't amount to much.

You stated:  3. " Muslims are to blame for following this barbaric religion".

Blame for what?  How is a person who is Muslim culpable for the actions of Muslim terrorists? You want to explain? Using you logic I should blame all Christians for your beliefs. Thanks I won't. You don't think-you spew. You have no idea who it is you  hold responsible and why.

You stated -" 4. I never called Jews or Christians stupid."

I have no idea why you made the above comment, but while we are on the topic of stupid, I find your responses insipid, hateful and having the substance of dead blood cells-pus.

You also went on to state in 4..."For those who are familiar with my writing they will find your statement ludicrous tarnishing jews or christians here."

For anyone who reads what you or I wrote (I doubt anyone does other than you and I but hey if you think people care about what you write maintain that belief, lol) they will see you come on this board to piss on  Muslims and try justify it in the name of Jewish people or Christians. You speak for no one but yourself as do I. Neither of us speaks for anyone else.

 

 

[Rue]

1 hour ago, Goh Shenas said:

Hey dude what have you got against jews? Why do you blame jews? This is about sick Muslims killing infidels. Leave jews out!  Muslims are not to be trusted as long as they follow that religion. 

Hey dude what have you got against muslims? Why do you blame muslims? This is about sick Muslim  terrorists killing innocent people. Leave innocent muslims out!  People like you are not to be trusted as long as you can not tell the difference between innocent Muslims and terrorist Muslims.

Edited June 5, 2017 by Rue

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, Rue said:

Hey dude what have you got against muslims? Why do you blame muslims? This is about sick Muslim  terrorists killing innocent people. Leave innocent muslims out!  People like you are not to be trusted as long as you can not tell the difference between innocent Muslims and terrorist Muslims.

 

What does an innocent Muslim look like anyways?

[Rue]

On ‎6‎/‎4‎/‎2017 at 2:43 AM, eyeball said:

If we'd left it alone 65 years or so ago it very likely would be doing just that.

And its not like we still don't have an equally archaic religion close at hand ourselves, just in case I guess.

Eyeball you care to deny the above again? Lol. Who is "we" and "it"?

Your above comments clearly blame the West for the turmoil in Muslim societies.

Deny away.

Also the last time I looked no Christian extremist or Jewish extremist was attacking you in the streets.

 

" I am not fat, it's a tumor".

Rue 1444

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[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, Rue said:

Eyeball you care to deny the above again? Lol. Who is "we" and "it"?

Your above comments clearly blame the West for the turmoil in Muslim societies.

Deny away.

 

" I am not fat, it's a tumor".

Rue 1444

 

Islamic terror is apparently the result of 1953's Coup according to eyeball. This even though Iran is Shia.

[Rue]

9 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

What does an innocent Muslim look like anyways?

You. Maybe that's why you are so frightened. I said that with no malice. I mean it. Its precisely because we can't tell the difference between innocent and terrorist Muslims we fear them all.

When a white person is attacked by a black person, its human nature for them to then fear ALL blacks and vice versa. Its why Palestinians often  fear or hate any Israeli soldier they see until that is broken down by conversation that is friendly as opposed to hostile.

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[DogOnPorch]

Just now, Rue said:

You. Maybe that's why you are so frightened.

 

Not good enough, Rue.

Blaming me will only work for so long.

[Rue]

5 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Islamic terror is apparently the result of 1953's Coup according to eyeball. This even though Iran is Shia.

Its precisely because Islamic violence has been around for so long, not just laypersons but many scholars of Islam say its inherently violent and unable to transcend its violence. I leave that to theologians. For me, I think Christianity and Judaism overcame pretty barbaric early origins and I hope Islam can do the same unless we blow each other up  before then which is a distinct possibility if we can't reach out to moderate Muslims and forge an alliance against violent Muslims and violent non Muslims.

Kuwait, Morocco, they have called for normalization with Israel. No one thought that possible ever. Egypt has an alliance with Israel and one saw that as possible.

I am not some naïve idealist- I think sometimes shared grief creates necessary alliances.

[Rue]

8 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Not good enough, Rue.

Blaming me will only work for so long.

? Your victim role is laughable. Imagine if I asked why you are interested in propane ad propane accessories! You are not the issue.

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[DogOnPorch]

Just now, Rue said:

? Your victim role is laughable.

 

Please...you know full well what YOU are doing is blaming criticism of Islam for Islam's bad behaviour.

So tell me...how does Rue determine what a peaceful Muslim looks like?

[DogOnPorch]

5 minutes ago, Rue said:

Its precisely because Islamic violence has been around for so long, not just laypersons but many scholars of Islam say its inherently violent and unable to transcend its violence. I leave that to theologians. For me, I think Christianity and Judaism overcame pretty barbaric early origins and I hope Islam can do the same unless we blow each other up  before then which is a distinct possibility if we can't reach out to moderate Muslims and forge an alliance against violent Muslims and violent non Muslims.

Kuwait, Morocco, they have called for normalization with Israel. No one thought that possible ever. Egypt has an alliance with Israel and one saw that as possible.

I am not some naïve idealist- I think sometimes shared grief creates necessary alliances.

 

They shot Sadat. Now the 'alliance' depends on the Camp David Accords dishing out the cash to keep the Egyptian Army "on our side".

[DogOnPorch]

Propane and propane accessories...look it up.

[Rue]

7 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Please...you know full well what YOU are doing is blaming criticism of Islam for Islam's bad behaviour.

So tell me...how does Rue determine what a peaceful Muslim looks like?

I answered the question directly and you do not understand the answer.

I don't blame criticism of Islam for Islam's bad behavior. That is an illogical inference. Nothing in my words remotely suggests that.

I have argued and will continue to do so that the accusation that the entire Islamic religion is without merit (indiscriminate and total criticism) just as the indiscriminate stereotyping of ALL Muslims as being violent and evil is hateful and ignorant.

I have argued if you hate ALL Muslims and say so, you can most certainly alienate certain peaceful Muslims and make them more

susceptible to being recruited by terrorists. You might be unintentionally doing exactly what violent Muslims want you to.

I have never stated being a bigot against all Muslims is the sole cause of Muslim terrorism.

I have never stated being ignorant of the entire Muslim religion is the sole cause of Muslim terrorism.

I have never stated criticism of Islamic religion causes Muslim terrorism.

In  fact I have stated we must challenge fundamentalist and terrorist interpretations of Islam because I believe they lead to terrorism and fuel terrorists and intolerant behavior.

I repeat again the answer you ignored. A peaceful Muslim could loos just like you. The fact you ask a question asking me to stereotype what a "peaceful" as opposed to "terrorist" Muslim looks like means you didn't understand the response I gave.

"Terrorists" do not have a distinct look.  They deliberately take on the guise of innocent people as a cover.

Thus the  fear they cause in people who can't readily identify a terrorist from a peaceful person.

[Rue]

6 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

Propane and propane accessories...look it up.

You laughed!  Good!

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, Rue said:

You laughed!  Good!

 

You think BC and I take mocking seriously? This is a hobby.