Paris might be problem for Trudeau

[-1=e^ipi]

Saying there is a proxy war between Russia, China and the west over oil is not a conspiracy theory. Most people acknowledge that.

Then why was Keystone XL cancelled? If it's all about oil.

There is a proxy war between Russia and the West, I agree. But it's not over oil.

[BC_chick]

What is it about then in your opinion?

[jacee]

Jacee, do you disagree that the people in Japan (post Hiroshima) have made the world a better place?

Hijack.

I am not referring to bombing in general.

I am talking about bombing people's homes in Syria.

Specifically,

GostHacked, on 14 Nov 2015 - 12:14 PM, said:

We would not need to bring them here if we did not help with making life hell in Syria.

That was the context ... Syrian refugees are coming here because their homes have been bombed.

Context is important to comprehension and discussion.

Otherwise it's just a series of tangents out in left field, peripheral to the issue.

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Edited November 15, 2015 by jacee

[-1=e^ipi]

What is it about then in your opinion?

Idiocy and ignorance.

The west isn't acting in it's own best interests. Rather it is run by idiots that are ignorant about the situation so make bad decisions.

The west is allied with Saudi Arabia due to historical reasons (oil and the cold war, yes oil was relevant in the past, but it hasn't been relevant for the past 2 decades) and has viewed Russia as an enemy for historical reasons (cold war), and the west just never reevaluated who it is allied with. And of course when the civil war in Syria started, well Assad = bad cause he is allied with the Russians, who are apparently bad for some reason, where as our Saudi BFF's say the rebels are good, which must be true since Saudi Arabia is good, so the West needs to fund the rebels in order to get rid of Assad.

[August1991]

Red herring.

I am not referring to bombing in general.

I am talking about bombing people's homes in Syria.

Jacee, I merely meant to say that sometimes violence achieves good. I disagree with Gandhi and Mandela. It is wrong to say that all violence is bad.

If all violence were bad, Paul Bernardo would not be in prison. It is State violence that put him in prison.

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As to homes in Syria, I return to Hiroshima. Since 1945, the Japanese people have generally been good for the world. (The Sony Walkman.... )

In 1935, people feared Japanese or Germans. Nowadays, while boarding a plane, Canadians probably feel better if a Japanese or truly German passport holder boards a plane. We can thank our grand-parents for this.

Edited November 15, 2015 by August1991

[jacee]

Then why was Keystone XL cancelled? If it's all about oil.

Public opposition.

There is a proxy war between Russia and the West, I agree. But it's not over oil.

It's always all about the money.

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Edited November 15, 2015 by jacee

[jacee]

Jacee, I merely meant to say that sometimes violence achieves good. I disagree with Gandhi and Mandela. It is wrong to say that all violence is bad.

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As to homes in Syria, I return to Hiroshima. Since 1945, the Japanese people have generally been good for the world. (The Sony Walkman.... )

In 1935, people feared Japanese or Germans. Nowadays, while boarding a plane, Canadians probably feel better if a truly German or Japanese passport holder boards a plane.

Can you link this back to the current topic please.

You're on a tangent that isn't the topic.

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[August1991]

Can you link this back to the current topic please.

You're on a tangent that isn't the topic.

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How does Canada respond to these attacks in Paris?

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Trudeau Jnr seems to think that we should pull back our planes, and invite these people into our homes.

In 1945, Truman dropped the bomb. Twice. In the long run, which strategy is better.

Edited November 15, 2015 by August1991

[jacee]

How does Canada respond to these attacks in Paris?

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Trudeau Jnr seems to think that we should pull back our planes, and invite these people into our homes.

In 1945, Truman dropped the bomb. Twice.

In the long run, which strategy is better.

Bomb them to smithereens so they can't become refugees so we don't have to deal with them?

That's your contrinution to this topic?

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Edited November 15, 2015 by jacee

[August1991]

Bomb them to smithereens so they can't become refugees so we don't have to deal with them?

That's your contrinution to this topic?

Jacee, go read Truman's memoirs. Read his comments about meeting Stalin at Potsdam.

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Since 1945, ordinary Germans and Japanese have largely done good in the world. When I board a plane, in this century, I am not afraid to sit beside a Takumi or a Helmut.

[jacee]

Jacee, go read Truman's memoirs. Read his comments about meeting Stalin at Potsdam.

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Since 1945, ordinary Germans and Japanese have largely done good in the world. When I board a plane, in this century, I am not afraid to sit beside a Takumi or a Helmut.

Off topic.

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[August1991]

Off topic.

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It's not off topic. Is Trudeau Jnr:

a) an appeaser

Harry S. Truman

c) another Gerald Tremblay

Edited November 15, 2015 by August1991

[BC_chick]

In 1945, Truman dropped the bomb. Twice. In the long run, which strategy is better.

Who do you want to nuke, exactly? Edited November 15, 2015 by BC_chick

[August1991]

Who do you want to nuke, exactly?

I have no desire whatsoever to nuke anyone.

I merely note that Truman's decision created alot of good for the world. Nowadays, we all enjoy the benefits of the work of many Japanese and Germans.

Edited November 15, 2015 by August1991

[bush_cheney2004]

Canada continued to support France during the very bloody Algerian War (1954 - 1962) even after the Paris Massacre of 1961 by police against Algerian protesters. Canada desperately wanted to keep France in the NATO alliance. France is/was quite experienced in such "terrorist attack" matters back then and I suspect it will leverage international support against ISIS with equal vigor.

This will keep PM Trudeau's fledgling team very busy. French language skills are a plus.

Edited November 15, 2015 by bush_cheney2004

[BC_chick]

I have no desire whatsoever to nuke anyone.

I merely note that Truman's decision created alot of good for the world. Nowadays, we all enjoy the benefits of the work of many Japanese and Germans.

Merely pointing out that it's a better strategy but you have no desire to replicate it? Why bring it up then?

[Smallc]

That's a good point, I wouldn't want to imagine the response to a terror attack in a New York from a terrorist brought into Canada under the guise of a refugee.

They'd probably really hate a rogue polar bear attack too. We can all string words together.

[Smallc]

I’m also a little tired of these Conservative party chicken hawks. If the fight against Islamic State is existential, then don’t send a measly six CF-18s. If procuring new fighters is fundamental to Canada’s security, procure some. If Canada doesn’t cut and run, then don’t end Jean Chrétien’s Afghanistan deployment just because Stephen Harper grew weary of the fight. If the way to stop refugees leaving Syria is to make Syria less of a hellhole, then don’t give Bashar al-Assad carte blanche.

If, on the other hand, you belonged to a government that ended the Afghanistan mission, deployed nothing more than cross words against Assad, and did not send more hardware to the region than Belgium and the Netherlands, then maybe do a little less chest-beating.

One more thing. For reasons that remain unexplained, except for Trudeau’s comment the day after the October election that he would draw down Canada’s military deployment in Iraq in a “responsible” way, the RCAF is still running bombing raids over there. Which means Trudeau’s policy has not yet been implemented in any way. Which means that right through Friday’s attack in Paris, Canada’s policy against Islamic State was Stephen Harper’s and Jason Kenney’s policy. That’s the sort of chain of events that might inspire some humility, in a party that professes to be remorseful about its “tone.”

http://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/justin-trudeau-nato-and-the-problem-with-backseat-ministering/

[Derek 2.0]

They'd probably really hate a rogue polar bear attack too. We can all string words together.

When a single polar bear attack kills and injures hundreds of people let me know.........In the interim, perhaps you should string together some maturity.

[Smallc]

When a single polar bear attack kills and injures hundreds of people let me know.........In the interim, perhaps you should string together some maturity.

You - nearly gleefully, I might add - created the (completely made up) narrative of a Canadian accepted Syrian refugee making it to the US and undertaking an attack in NYC. We can all make things up. It doesn't make us mature. Moving on.

[bush_cheney2004]

I’m also a little tired of these Conservative party chicken hawks. If the fight against Islamic State is existential, then don’t send a measly six CF-18s.

Well, to be fair, Canada's didn't send any CF-18s to Afghanistan either. So that is hardly the benchmark for any serious commitment. Kosovo got lots more attention from Chretien's CF-18's, and NATO allies were not even attacked.

Trudeau can save face by just letting Harper's original ISIS commitment expire in March 2016.

Edited November 15, 2015 by bush_cheney2004

[Derek 2.0]

You - nearly gleefully, I might add - created the (completely made up) narrative of a Canadian accepted Syrian refugee making it to the US and undertaking an attack in NYC. We can all make things up. It doesn't make us mature. Moving on.

I didn't make up the prospect of foreign born terrorists using Canada as a springboard to launch a terrorist attack within the United States.........that of course is historic fact.

[bush_cheney2004]

You - nearly gleefully, I might add - created the (completely made up) narrative of a Canadian accepted Syrian refugee making it to the US and undertaking an attack in NYC. We can all make things up. It doesn't make us mature. Moving on.

And yet, Ahmed Ressam tried to bomb LAX after migrating to Canada.

Edited November 15, 2015 by bush_cheney2004

[Derek 2.0]

And yet, Ahmed Ressam tried to bomb LAX after migrating to Canada.

Exactly, and one can only imagine the fallout of a Paris style attack in a large US city, from "refugees" that springboard across the 49th.

[marcus]

So screening (which I agree with) is only one answer. What do we do about the others?

The one who was known to the authorities should have been more closely watched, and systems should have been in place to catch the others before the event. If they were, but were inadequate, then they should be made adequate enough, whatever it takes.

Fully agree. I also think we should ferociously suppress anti-Muslim, anti-refugee agitation. Invite local Muslims to cooperate in identifying Islamic extremism's supporters -- they are ordinary Muslims' worst enemies, after all.