Paris might be problem for Trudeau

[Derek 2.0]

How did they set up the infrastructure to properly vet 25,000 people in less than two months when they have only been in power less than weeks?

A simple question that everyone should be asking.

Further to that, when it took us nearly three years to settle an equal amount of Iraqi refugees.

[overthere]

A change in tone, it seems:

Canada will respond with absolute resolution:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/dion-paris-attacks-absolute-resolution-1.3319151

No, there is no change in tone at all. We might have to increase the number of warm blankets we send.

"We think Canada may be more optimally helping the coaltiion in reallocating our efforts in training, in support of many kinds to the local fighters [and] local police, humanitarian help," Dion said.

"This is the aim of what we are doing. It's not to withdraw. To the contrary: It's to be more effective."

Excuse me while I puke.

Shameful.

[overthere]

Trudeau better hope nobody delivers a white feather to him on-camera at the G20.

Nearly all of our 'allies' will be there .

[Derek 2.0]

I can only hope that some of these other G20 leaders talk to Trudeau and straighten him out a little. I actually think he'll have a different perspective when he gets back from meetings. I can imagine that the Americans are wild about Trudeau's refugee plan.

That's a good point, I wouldn't want to imagine the response to a terror attack in a New York from a terrorist brought into Canada under the guise of a refugee.

[Derek 2.0]

A change in tone, it seems:

Canada will respond with absolute resolution:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/dion-paris-attacks-absolute-resolution-1.3319151

We will support the French people by stopping attacks against ISIS?

I like how Dion equates:

"We think Canada may be more optimally helping the coaltiion in reallocating our efforts in training, in support of many kinds to the local fighters [and] local police, humanitarian help,"

How does the combat mission detract form us doing any of that? You speak of weasel words, there you go....

[Derek 2.0]

Yes...a problem for PM Trudeau. It is...how do you say..."bad optics" now for Trudeau and his political campaign rhetoric and actions to disengage from direct military attacks against ISIS. The "support and training" back pedaling won't be good enough in the wake of the Paris attack(s).

France is going to up their game, and Canada will be pressured to follow suit. Sunny ways !

It will be interesting to see the Trudeau governments response if the French invoke article 5 of NATO....

[WestCanMan]

That's a good point, I wouldn't want to imagine the response to a terror attack in a New York from a terrorist brought into Canada under the guise of a refugee.

Regarding the quote in your post, about the Americans being wild about Trudeau's refugee plan...

Now trump will need to build two walls lol. What a great time to invest in acme fence co.

[Rue]

Bottom line is people who do not live with terrorism are full of theories, including the "conditions" which create it, and how to deal with it.

These geniuse think they know that when you bring in 25,000 people in 6 weeks, these geniuses can guarantee they are not terrorists, criminals, mentally ill, etc.

One genius, Justin Trudeau looked embarassingly stupid last night. This genius, who will pull our fighters from fighing ISIL with one breath was saying "we will do alliit takes to help France." Such b.s. Such prattle, such meaningles crap.

Bottom line when terrorism comes to the neighbourhoods of geniuses on terrorism things will change.

The same geniuses who think they can lecture Israel on how to deal with this crap, who think they know what creates terrorism and think they can blame it on Zionist Jews Jaffa oranges, Netanyahu, they have something coming. Its called terrorism and its coming to a neighbourhood where they live.

What happened in Paris is a vivid display of what Israel has been dealing with since the creation of its state and what has transpired in Muslim societies across the ME for over 3,000 years..

Its called chaos-the cold blooded murder of innocent civilians in sporadic acts to institute as much fear, confusion and feelings of fear and helplessness as possible.

It will close down theatres, public arenas, borders, events.

There will now be a state of war across Europe and North America and no your security forces will not be able to distinguish between innocent civilians and terrorists, innocent Muslims and terrorist ones.

Some of us have lived with it first hand. We can only look at this with irony now as all the liberal geniuses who thought they could tell Israel how to deal with terrorism will now feel its reality find what Israel has been forced to do, to contain it.

This is the tip of the iceberg in a war acroos Europe and the West between Western and Eastern values.

No withdrawing of jets and pretending to be good white people is going to change a damn thing.

No twisting and making excuses for terrorists as victims of conditions will change what these terrorists in the name of Islam are-murderers-cold blooded cowardly murderers with zero excuse and using Islam to justify their beliefs so that it will cause innocent Muslims to die as well as non Muslims.

Edited November 14, 2015 by Rue

[eyeball]

Canada will respond to Paris attacks with 'absolute resolution,' Stéphane Dion says

I hope that "absolute resolution" is to resolve get the hell out of there and let them fight their civil war.

Good luck with that.

[eyeball]

Damn, that's bad news for Germany.

Speaking of bad news, wait until things come full circle and they start rounding up Semites again only this time all of Europe will be at it. Probably us too.

[marcus]

Confirmed. Terrorist was a refugee from Syria.

At least one, as according to the passport he happened to be carrying.

At least four others were French and Belgium nationals. Meaning that stopping refugees from coming in would not have made a difference.

[Rue]

Absolute resolution. Yes it means Justin will send some parkas and his brother to do a documentary.

[kimmy]

I don't particularly object to participating in air strikes against ISIS, though I feel it's probably not very effective.

What I wonder about is what other things could be done to fight them. Particularly, they seem to be very well funded and well supplied. I have read that they're raising money by smuggling oil out of territories that they control. Maybe oil infrastructure in ISIS territories should be destroyed. I read that they're receiving large financial donations from wealthy citizens in Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Maybe wealthy Saudis and Qataris who send money to ISIS should start turning up dead.

-k

[eyeball]

Trudeau campaigned that he was going to stop the bombing of ISIS immediately. How long ago was that? His lack of foresight is alarming. I think he could build a house and decide not to put a bathroom in it if he didn't have to take a dump while he was drawing up the plans.

Yep, Paris might not be a problem at all for people with the desire that Trudeau slow down or stop the immigration of 25000 Syrian refugees while making an issue of that when it comes to keeping election promises.

[notca]

I assume that the OP suggests that these terrorists in Paris were there because of the large number of Syrian refugees that France accepted? But the facts appear not to back that:

---SNIP---

It is not a case of how many refugees recently accepted. It is about the numbers of Muslims in total, refugees and previous immigrants that is signifigant.

If you understand Islam you will know that the goal of Islam is to eventually control the whole world under Islamic law;; to either convert, kill or enslave non-Muslims. Throughout history it has been proven that this can never be achieved by force, but there is now the belief that it can (and will) be achieved by sheer strength of numbers.

When there is enough Muslim population in a country they can then attack, overpower and conquer the minority. If the Muslim population of France believes the refugees have increased their presence to that point they will begin the rebellion.

These recent attacks in Paris and the subsequent threat to the Air France flight (which was aborted because of the threat) are strong indications that the attack has now begun.

As we open our borders, we can expect the same result in the future as can all other countries in similar situations.

Edited November 17, 2015 by Charles Anthony
excessive quoting [---SNIP---]

[overthere]

Maybe oil infrastructure in ISIS territories should be destroyed.

You'll be delighted to hear that the Kurds and the western coalition just did that near Sinjar.

With air strikes.

No blankets were involved.

[marcus]

I don't particularly object to participating in air strikes against ISIS, though I feel it's probably not very effective.

What I wonder about is what other things could be done to fight them. Particularly, they seem to be very well funded and well supplied. I have read that they're raising money by smuggling oil out of territories that they control. Maybe oil infrastructure in ISIS territories should be destroyed. I read that they're receiving large financial donations from wealthy citizens in Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Maybe wealthy Saudis and Qataris who send money to ISIS should start turning up dead.

-k

Yes. There are several Saudi Arabian families who are the major funders of ISIS. These families are untouchable in Saudi Arabia. We need to go to the source of these extremists and Wahabists are the source.

Edited November 14, 2015 by marcus

[overthere]

Yep, Paris might not be a problem at all for people with the desire that Trudeau slow down or stop the immigration of 25000 Syrian refugees while making an issue of that when it comes to keeping election promises.

He has already broken that electionpromise, the 25K will be mostly via private sponsorships since anybody with a speck of sense knew he could not possibly get 25k government sponsored refugees here in 6 weeks.

Next.

[eyeball]

Yes. There are several Saudi Arabian families who are the major funders of ISIS. These families are untouchable in Saudi Arabia. We need to go to the source of these extremists and Wahabists are the source.

The trouble with pointing fingers at the Saudi's is that they also point at whoever is standing right behind them.

Edited November 14, 2015 by eyeball

[notca]

Bottom line is people who do not live with terrorism are full of theories, including the "conditions" which create it, and how to deal with it.

---SNIP---

It is incredible that people still believe there is no threat from refugees. Can they not understand the plan to increase Muslim populations in western countries which has culminated with the recent influx of refugees?

No matter what happens, how many attacks take place these 'believers in the religion of peace' will not see the threat that is looming over the free world.

We can only hope that they will wake up to reality when they and their loved ones are affected personally by the savagery of the infiltrators; unfortunately it will be too late by that time.

Edited November 17, 2015 by Charles Anthony
excessive quoting [---SNIP---]

[Derek 2.0]

I don't particularly object to participating in air strikes against ISIS, though I feel it's probably not very effective.

Why? The airstrikes, from the onset, have prevented ISIS from operating as a near conventional force (with captured heavy weapons), a force that prior to said strikes, was able to take over swaths of both Syria and Iraq. The airstrikes have been very effective, granted they alone will not retake the ground lost to ISIS, hence the intent of training (and arming) the locals.

What I wonder about is what other things could be done to fight them. Particularly, they seem to be very well funded and well supplied. I have read that they're raising money by smuggling oil out of territories that they control. Maybe oil infrastructure in ISIS territories should be destroyed. I read that they're receiving large financial donations from wealthy citizens in Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Maybe wealthy Saudis and Qataris who send money to ISIS should start turning up dead.

-k

Both valid points, but the POL resources of ISIS have been degraded, to the point that its members are now rarely seen in the backs of light Toyota pick-ups, let alone Hummers, MRAPS and Abrams tanks......I don't know that much oil is being smuggled out of ISIS controlled areas now.

But going after those that fund ISIS I fully agree.

[eyeball]

He has already broken that electionpromise, the 25K will be mostly via private sponsorships since anybody with a speck of sense knew he could not possibly get 25k government sponsored refugees here in 6 weeks.

Next

Is your issue with the numbers and timing or the sponsorship? Why would you only be concerned about a broken promise regarding government sponsorship?

[marcus]

To people blaming refugees for attacks in Paris. Do you not realize these are the people the refugees are trying to run away from?

[Big Guy]

I encourage those who feel Canada should stay in that region and/or intensify our involvement be the first to volunteers to go over. And I agree with those who are outraged by this latest Paris bombing. When those body bags start coming back to the West from the Middle East we want a good percentage of them to be Canadian! Or do we?

[Guest]

To people blaming refugees for attacks in Paris. Do you not realize these are the people the refugees are trying to run away from?

Can you not see the diiference between genuine refugees and those who would use the refugee crisis to achieve their own nefarious goals?