Smallc Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 Is the approach that you prefer not explained in the responses? Regulated industry. Fines for unlicensed sale and production. Free possession. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 Regulated industry. Fines for unlicensed sale and production. Free possession. Like a whole bunch of other legal products. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 Colorado has brought in $150 million in tax revenue from legalized marijuana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Looks like the industry is way ahead of the politicians: http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/as-many-as-seven-million-possible-customers-for-legal-weed-in-canada-as-support-hits-new-heights-poll That adds up to huge economic potential for the marijuana industry, which is already worth between $80- and $100-million a year providing the substance to 45,000 or so medical pot users. Some industry analysts suggest the total possible market for legal weed in Canada could top $5 billion, the Financial Post reports. Perhaps the tax on this (soon to be legal produce) will pay off some of that deficit that Trudeau intends to create with infrastructure investment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Regulated industry. Fines for unlicensed sale and production. Free possession. I'd treat it just like beer; brewing/growing your own is just fine, but if you want to sell it you're going to have to go through the hoops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 I wouldn't capitalize it to the point it remains profitable for bikers to stay involved. Exactly what appears to be happening in other words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 I want the ability to grow my own pot. That is not going to happen under this Liberal 'legalization'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 I want the ability to grow my own pot. That is not going to happen under this Liberal 'legalization'. And how do you know that? Thus far there's been little said about the particulars. I suspect having a few plants will likely be legal, but having an agricultural installation will require licensing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 (edited) And how do you know that? Thus far there's been little said about the particulars. I suspect having a few plants will likely be legal, but having an agricultural installation will require licensing. The way pot will be sold is the same model how alcohol and tobacco are sold and controlled. Can you grow your own tobacco for your own consumption? Why not? Can you produce your own alcohol for your own consumption in your own home? Why not? For the argument we can leave out 'home brew' businesses which require some kind of licensing in order to offer a place for people to make alcohol. Edited November 10, 2015 by GostHacked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash74 Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 This is funny for the fact that when all was said and done. This seems to be the most important issue for people. Honestly, is there anybody here that cannot get pot when you want it? Is it such a hard thing to find? LOL Sell it the same as booze. Even have the Liquor stores open up sections in the stores already open. Make it part of the offices of the Liquor control board and do not add yet another bureaucracy. Allow companies to open up to legally grow and sell it to the authorized stores. Why is this difficult? What will happen is committee after committee will have studies and talk about "social responsibility" create a new bunch of regulations and government jobs for their buddies and blow any chance of doing this so any profit will be blown by stupidity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 (edited) Can you grow your own tobacco for your own consumption? Why not? ... We live in tobacco country. These plants grow as close as 5 feet from the road and if these leaves were smokable then no one here would every buy cigarettes - but - drying, shredding and rolling your own will kill you. There are stories about the "old" days where the odd farmer would make his own cigarettes but they soon disappeared. Anecdotal evidence is that the carcinogens which have not been processed out make for a bitter, tar based and sickening taste. Edited November 10, 2015 by Big Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 This is funny for the fact that when all was said and done. This seems to be the most important issue for people. Honestly, is there anybody here that cannot get pot when you want it? And risk your job. My job requires me to have a clean criminal record check. Even if I wanted to smoke pot (which I don't), I'd be risking my financial security. So no, it's not like booze. And while it's not the most important thing in the world, I think allowing adults to make their own choices is important, and surely worth a bit of work by Parliament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 This is funny for the fact that when all was said and done. This seems to be the most important issue for people.That's pretty rich compared to how important it's been to keep the state getting tough and cracking down on people's backs for as long as possible.Thanks to those efforts we can now probably count on having one of the biggest institutions of the Nanny State this country has ever seen. And to think Conservatives just handed over C-51 to the Liberals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash74 Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 And risk your job. My job requires me to have a clean criminal record check. Even if I wanted to smoke pot (which I don't), I'd be risking my financial security. So no, it's not like booze. And while it's not the most important thing in the world, I think allowing adults to make their own choices is important, and surely worth a bit of work by Parliament. For possession of a small amount you are looking at a fine. Usually the cop just takes it unless you are he/her are being a dick. I never enjoyed pot and never buy it. Only reason I agree with making it legal is there are more important issues for the police to deal with. The OPP are much too busy investigating the corrupt provincial government. (any day now we will have some kind of decision with the three investigations) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 For possession of a small amount you are looking at a fine. Usually the cop just takes it unless you are he/her are being a dick. I never enjoyed pot and never buy it. Only reason I agree with making it legal is there are more important issues for the police to deal with. The OPP are much too busy investigating the corrupt provincial government. (any day now we will have some kind of decision with the three investigations) Yes, it's likely I wouldn't get a permanent criminal record, but it's still possible. Better to just legalize it and be done with it. I don't need the Government telling me what I can smoke, thank you very much, and I don't think the Government has even the smallest bit of business dictating adults personal decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 I don't need the Government telling me what I can smoke, thank you very much, and I don't think the Government has even the smallest bit of business dictating adults personal decisions. You're such a lefty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 You're such a lefty. It's always one of the more baffling aspects of modern Conservatism, that on the one hand it's always railing against the political Left for "nanny state" attitudes, but at the same time seems just as hell bent on preventing adults from doing what they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 And you still think the differences between left and right are miniscule? I honestly feel like I'm taking to aliens most of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash74 Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 It's always one of the more baffling aspects of modern Conservatism, that on the one hand it's always railing against the political Left for "nanny state" attitudes, but at the same time seems just as hell bent on preventing adults from doing what they want. That I completely agree with. The agree with much of the right but this make everything illegal and marriage is only for straight couples is what is holding the right back. Get out of the bedrooms and personal lives. The left which wants every single aspect of your life regulated also wants legal drugs and keeping private lives private. Except when they want to regulate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 The left which wants every single aspect of your life regulated also wants legal drugs and keeping private lives private. Except when they want to regulate it. See what I mean? That's so out there extraterrestrial doesn't quite capture it...extradimensional is probably the word I'm looking for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 That I completely agree with. The agree with much of the right but this make everything illegal and marriage is only for straight couples is what is holding the right back. Get out of the bedrooms and personal lives. The left which wants every single aspect of your life regulated also wants legal drugs and keeping private lives private. Except when they want to regulate it. The point I'm making is that elements of the left and the right have similar obsessions. The nanny state is a creation of both sides of the political spectrum. The notion of personal autonomy is as repulsive to elements in conservatism as it is to elements in socialism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poochy Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 (edited) It's always one of the more baffling aspects of modern Conservatism, that on the one hand it's always railing against the political Left for "nanny state" attitudes, but at the same time seems just as hell bent on preventing adults from doing what they want. When adults doing what they want expect to be taken care of by the nanny state after making their bad choices then those adults shouldn't expect complete freedom. But that is an aside to the waterfall of false narratives that you spew on a daily basis, i know lots of people who would be considered conservative who are all for legalization, who are regular users, however that doesn't mean they aren't aware or are unwilling to accept the likely negative consequences to that. Unlike those who consider it a perfect, completely harmless, wonder drug, when it isn't. I say legalize it, im good with it, but I don't claim to know what that will mean, or what exact consequences good or bad, there will be as a result. Reasonable adults think about these things and are more concerned about that then they are some peoples desperation for legal weed, it simply isn't that important, certainly not if legalizing it is a net negative. There is no doubt that there are negative consequences, there is plenty of science to prove it, so much for a scientific approach that so many of you whinge about almost daily, yes, other legal things are bad, and can be worse, but unless you believe in unicorns you have to accept that more people getting more high more often isn't something we should be excited for. Again, despite that i say legalize it, and maybe you could take a day off from your empty rhetoric, though it does seem to be what liberals are best at. Edited November 11, 2015 by poochy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 When adults doing what they want expect to be taken care of by the nanny state after making their bad choices then those adults shouldn't expect complete freedom. But that is an aside to the waterfall of false narratives that you spew on a daily basis, i know lots of people who would be considered conservative who are all for legalization, who are regular users, however that doesn't mean they aren't aware or are unwilling to accept the likely negative consequences to that. Unlike those who consider it a perfect, completely harmless, wonder drug, when it isn't. Where did I ever say it was a wonder drug or didn't have negative consequences. Cheese burgers in large quantities are probably far more detrimental and far more expensive to society than marijuana. Heck, alcohol has to be one of the worst drugs around, and yet no one save the most loonie of the lunatic fringe thinks we should restart the temperance movement. I say legalize it, im good with it, but I don't claim to know what that will mean, or what exact consequences good or bad, there will be as a result. Reasonable adults think about these things and are more concerned about that then they are some peoples desperation for legal weed, it simply isn't that important, certainly not if legalizing it is a net negative. There is no doubt that there are negative consequences, there is plenty of science to prove it, so much for a scientific approach that so many of you whinge about almost daily, yes, other legal things are bad, and can be worse, but unless you believe in unicorns you have to accept that more people getting more high more often isn't something we should be excited for. Again, despite that i say legalize it, and maybe you could take a day off from your empty rhetoric, though it does seem to be what liberals are best at. Alcohol is every bit as bad, and in regular users has equally, if not far more devastating effects. So don't throw your accusation of anti-science at me. The whole conservative hate-on for drugs is disingenuous and has more to do with enforcing their own nanny state ideals of morality, despite the incoherence of the world view. As it is, a fairly significant minority of the population has been smoking pot for decades, and the sun still rises in the morning, so all this belief that we have to stop the demon weed is just BS. To my mind, either you believe in freedom, or you don't. Freedom means letting adults make their own decisions, partake of their own personal autonomy, and providing they aren't harming other people in some overt way, allowing them to do as they please. Besides, making vague assertions to somehow things getting bad because people will get high is absurd. If that's the logic, then we should ban fatty foods, sugary drinks, skydiving, cars that drive over 10mph, playgrounds, ladders, downhill skiing and a whole host of other potentially harmful activities. If I had my way, I'd legalize the whole pharmacopoeia; cocaine, heroin, ecstacy, and put the vast quantities of money and manpower that go into inflated police budgets into treatment. All the War on Drugs has done is create the artificial scarcity necessary for a bunch of drug runners to make obscene fortunes a destabilize countries like Mexico and Afghanistan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 Stories are now coming out about it in Colorado and it is not pretty. All we need is decriminalization and leave it at that......for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 Stories are now coming out about it in Colorado and it is not pretty. All we need is decriminalization and leave it at that......for now. What stories? Do you have a cite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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