On Guard for Thee Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 Unlikely: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzales_v._Raich Marijuana is still completely illegal in the US. We are all aware of that. What's unlikely is there will be any federal movement to enforce the law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 I would imagine if the feds tried to get into enforcing their law, the courts would end up swamped until eventually the SCOTUS would side with the states and the only winners would be lawyers, again. I understand the SCOTUS has already sided with the feds when it comes to national vs state legislation. However, it's one thing to have the legislative authority. It's quite another to use that legislative authority on a state where the local population has clearly expressed its wishes. The Republican base has a lot of states rights activists so it remains to be seen whether a Republican president would really expend political capital by pushing this issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted September 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 Can you find a reference to support your definition?I defined it clearly in the poll. You can change your vote yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 Are you saying you think Wa. state hasn't legalized pot? That's exactly what he's saying and as proof, he linked an article that repeatedly says that pot is legal in the state of Washington. And then, when I called him on it, he said that the authors of the article that he linked to prove his point don't know what they're talking about. It all makes perfect sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted September 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 (edited) Really? Can you perform one?No. Nor is that relevant. Guns are legal in Canada - subject to limits and regulations. Alcohol is legal in Canada - subject to limits and regulations. Prescription drugs are legal in Canada - subject to limits and regulations. See how that works? All of those things are illegal in various circumstances. See how that works? Edited September 6, 2015 by cybercoma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 I defined it clearly in the poll. You can change your vote yourself. So now I'm curious. What is your position on marijuana and which party best represents that position? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 I understand the SCOTUS has already sided with the feds when it comes to national vs state legislation. However, it's one thing to have the legislative authority. It's quite another to use that legislative authority on a state where the local population has clearly expressed its wishes. The Republican base has a lot of states rights activists so it remains to be seen whether a Republican president would really expend political capital by pushing this issue. What I find indicative is that it's been ~3 years since Wa. and Colo. passed their law and so far nobody has bothered to challenge it. Of course they could have Donald as the next pres. and then who the hell knows what fun we might see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted September 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 (edited) So now I'm curious. What is your position on marijuana and which party best represents that position?I'm for regulated production and sale. No restrictions on personal consumption and personal crops under a small number of plants. Edited September 6, 2015 by cybercoma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 No. Nor is that relevant. All of those things are illegal in various circumstances. See how that works? You're making up your own language, here. And using it in a way that is inconsistent with the way the parties use it and the way that it's commonly used. If someone from a distant country inquired whether alcohol was legal in Canada, would you really answer "no, it's just decriminalized"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 (edited) I'm for regulated production and sale. No restrictions on personal consumption and personal crops under a small number of plants. So, your position is consistent with the Green Party and the Liberal Party. Both of whom are on the record as supporting legalization. Edited September 6, 2015 by ReeferMadness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted September 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 You're making up your own language, hereI defined it in the answers. I don't get the issue. If you didn't read bast the first word (3 of which were decriminalization of various sorts), then change your vote. You're making an issue out of nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 Are you saying you think Wa. state hasn't legalized pot? Washington state has decriminalized pot. It's still a highly regulated controlled substance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 That's exactly what he's saying and as proof, he linked an article that repeatedly says that pot is legal in the state of Washington. And then, when I called him on it, he said that the authors of the article that he linked to prove his point don't know what they're talking about. The article DOES prove what I'm saying. It details all of the ways that pot is controlled, and all of the ways that using, buying or growing it is still completely illegal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 (edited) Washington state has decriminalized pot. It's still a highly regulated controlled substance. It's legal so long as you are 21 or over. In Washington and Coorado. Edited September 6, 2015 by On Guard for Thee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 So now the poll is about legal dope in a foreign country ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 It's legal so long as you are 21 or over. There are more regulations that that. You can't smoke in any public place. You can't grow it yourself. You can't sell it without a license. You can't take it out of state. You can't buy as much as you want. No edibles are allowed. etc, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 There are more regulations that that. You can't smoke in any public place. You can't grow it yourself. You can't sell it without a license. You can't take it out of state. You can't buy as much as you want. No edibles are allowed. etc, etc. Almost like alcohol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 Almost like alcohol. Yes, regulated by the same agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 Yes, regulated by the same agency. And of course Alaska, Oregon and Washington D.C.followed suit behind the first two, and soon to be followed by Cal., Mass., Arizona, Ohio, Nevada, and Maine shortly. Everybody is seeing the sense and maybe more so the dollars and cents of such changes to law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 The article DOES prove what I'm saying. It details all of the ways that pot is controlled, and all of the ways that using, buying or growing it is still completely illegal. It's legal, as long as you follow the regulations. Just like everything else that is legal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 I've deleted my vote, since the poll doesn't make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 I leave it as legalization, with the understanding that I use the definition of legalization that is generally accepted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evening Star Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 I agree with you about the semantics, Reefer, but I think cybercoma is also right that it's just a semantic issue and that he has given us clear options if we overlook the terminology. I changed my vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 (edited) he has given us clear options if we overlook the terminology. Sure, but, then again, words are pretty important. Selecting decriminalization implies that I prefer the approach of the NDP, when I actually prefer the approach of the Liberals and deplore the approach of the Conservatives. Edited September 6, 2015 by Smallc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 I go with the idea that it should be sold through proper outlets, same as booze. But also that I should be able to produce some for my own use, same as booze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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