cybercoma Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 (edited) . Edited January 30, 2017 by cybercoma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 Governments NEED money, thats why tobacco is still being sold , even though people are dying from diseases from smoking it and I'm sure, it will be like tobacco and the side effects to society will show it ugly effect too. Has anyone gone to jail for smoking tobacco? Don't think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 (edited) "Decriminalization. Regulated industry. Fines for unlicensed sale and production. Free possession." Seems to me to be the only workable balance between allowing adults to make their own decisions about these kinds of things, and keeping them out of the hands of children. Edited September 5, 2015 by Bryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_chick Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 Legalization. The safety issue doesn't make sense when cigarettes and alcohol are legal and the gateway excuse is a self-fulfilling prophecy when we make no distinction between pot and heroin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted September 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 Just wanted to point out that cigarettes and alcohol are still controlled. They would fit under free possession, regulated sale and production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evening Star Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 Oh, I think I actually meant this when I voted for "legalization": Regulated sales. Free possession and production. Fines for unlicensed retailers. This is basically the same status as tobacco and alcohol? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_chick Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 Just wanted to point out that cigarettes and alcohol are still controlled. They would fit under free possession, regulated sale and production. I know I realized that after I voted and I read Bryan's post. I agree it should be controlled to a point, but people also do make their own alcohol and I don't see a problem with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted September 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 More or less. Alcohol and tobacco sales and production are regulated. It's illegal to sell alcohol without the proper licensing, as it is to produce it (there's some wonky rules around home brewing). Possession of alcohol and tobacco is not illegal, although it is strictly controlled, which I didn't mention in the survey. It's not illegal to be in possession of these things, but even that's regulated. You can't have a liquor container in your car--it has to be in the trunk. You can't smoke in many places, etc. Completely legalization means none of those things would exist. Any store could sell alcohol and tobacco and anyone could produce it, as if it were any other material good that you buy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted September 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 I guess there's an additional option that I'm missing. Free possession and sale. Regulated production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 So, I voted legalization because I consider alcohol legal and I like the regulation approach. On your model, it looks like should have chosen decriminalization. With respect, I don't agree with the model as it's laid out. I consider alcohol a legal, regulated product, not a decriminalized, regulated product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signals.Cpl Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 Regulate the same way as Cigarettes and alcohol. Put the same restrictions as alcohol when it comes to driving etc… Allow companies the freedom to restrict use during work hours or have rules against any use by their employees and leave it at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Huxley Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 If the government regulates cannabis, then the joints will all have a million chemicals in them like they do with tobacco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted September 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 With respect, I don't agree with the model as it's laid out. I consider alcohol a legal, regulated product, not a decriminalized, regulated product.Regulated is decriminalization. Legalization means no regulation, no laws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Huxley Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 (edited) I grow countless different types of plants in my garden all organic. Why should any of them be regulated? Edited September 5, 2015 by G Huxley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_chick Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 Regulated is decriminalization. Legalization means no regulation, no laws. Obviously I don't know enough about this because I thought we decriminalized in the 90's but we still are unable to buy pot unless it's medicinal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overthere Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 It is barely worth talking about and should not rate any time on the legislative agenda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted September 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 (edited) I grow countless different types of plants in my garden all organic. Why should any of them be regulated?The food industry is regulated so people aren't poisoned by dangerous practices. Edited September 5, 2015 by cybercoma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted September 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 (edited) Obviously I don't know enough about this because I thought we decriminalized in the 90's but we still are unable to buy pot unless it's medicinal.That's part of the point I'm making here. That there are various levels of "decriminalization" from cops just ignoring small possession and still arresting for large possession, trafficking, and production, up to licensed retailers. Legalization is the absence of any laws related to pot. Edited September 5, 2015 by cybercoma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Huxley Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 But I'm not selling it on the market. I grow my food, eat my food, give it away, or trade it to others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 Regulated is decriminalization. Legalization means no regulation, no laws. So, according to that alcohol is decriminalized, not legalized. I don't profess to be an expert but I don't think that your definition follows how Trudeau and Mulcair mean it in their policy statements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted September 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 So, according to that alcohol is decriminalized, not legalized. I don't profess to be an expert but I don't think that your definition follows how Trudeau and Mulcair mean it in their policy statements. That is correct. Alcohol and tobacco are decriminalized, namely from prohibition status for the former. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evening Star Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 (edited) I don't profess to be an expert but I don't think that your definition follows how Trudeau and Mulcair mean it in their policy statements. Yeah, that's not how I've ever understood "legalized" vs "decriminalized". By this definition, virtually nothing is legalized since there are laws of some sort pertaining to almost everything. I thought "decriminalized" meant that something is no longer listed as a criminal offence but could still be regarded as a civil offence. Edited September 5, 2015 by Evening Star Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_chick Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 But I'm not selling it on the market. I grow my food, eat my food, give it away, or trade it to others. True, so I guess what it comes down to is a government revenue issue because you're never going to get rich selling your fruit at the farmer's market but you could potentially by growing weed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_chick Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 That's part of the point I'm making here. That there are various levels of "decriminalization" from cops just ignoring small possession and still arresting for large possession, trafficking, and production, up to licensed retailers. Legalization is the absence of any laws related to pot. Thank you for explaining. People refer to alcohol as legal but in political terms I guess it's not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 I couldn't find anything on the Liberal Party website but I did find this petition. And it says this: The Liberal solution is clear: If we pass smart laws that tax and strictly regulate marijuana, we can better protect our kids, while preventing millions of dollars from going into the pockets of criminal organizations and street gangs. It sounds like what you call decriminalization is what the Liberals (and I) are calling legalization. I can't find anything on what the NDP mean by decriminalize it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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