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[On Guard for Thee]

I have seen no real appetite for democracy in the Muslim world. Even where one takes place, usually imposed from outside, the locals only care about which tribe has power and it quickly breaks down.

You should look into honor killings in the middle east. See if you can find anyone who has been severely punished for murdering their daughter or sister because they thought her behaviour was shameful. Try to find any case where a man was severely punished for beating his wife, much less for raping her. It might happen occasionally. Who knows? But it is a rare thing.

Those things are illegal in Canada and we punish those acts equally regardless of your religion and I expect people who arrive on our shores are aware of that. No need to hide under the bed.

[Civis Romanus sum]

Do you have any idea of the rates of domestic violence in Canada

Perhaps you should look closer to home for violence against women.

This is apologizing for rape and murder. You are trying to excuse the extreme gender hatred of Muslim nations, and that is really a horrible thing to do.

Yes, there will always be violence towards the weak, but our society has been progressing nicely in protecting them. There is no such protection available to women in Muslim nations, and in most cases they won't even record violence against women because they believe it is a man's right to discipline his women. How dare you try to downplay this and pretend it doesn't exist!

[Civis Romanus sum]

Unfortunate statistics but true. And also a good reminder to those who think it is other's people backyard which is dirty. Clean up your own backyard before looking over others and criticizing them how dirty theirs is. This post is especially a reminder to those who continue to post about Muslims as how bad and anti women they are or forget about how violent their own culture is. I don't know much about Muslim culture but I know this much that incidents of rape and sexual assaults and child sexual abuse and exploitation of women is much less in those muslim regions than most of so cal

You are writing out of extreme ignorance. There has never been a perfect society and likely never will be one. But our societies in the west have striven to do all they can to reduce if not eliminate violence and sexual violence towards the weak. There are many laws and policies and systems and organizations in place to help women and children and to punish offenders. There are no such laws or organizations in place in Muslim societies, where women are considered the property of their husbands and fathers, and where disciplining them is considered a man's right. You will find no statistics on child abuse in Muslim countries either, for such things would never be reported. In fact, I would say the Muslim world has an unhealthy degree of acceptance for sex with children. Apparently the prophet Muhammed married a 9 year old girl, and so in many Muslim countries it is considered allowable to marry children and have sex with them. The rape gangs of Muslim immigrants in the UK have shown a preference for underage non-Muslim girls they can groom and abuse and pass around among themselves, and this is a matter of public record.

Edited September 7, 2015 by Civis Romanus sum

[Civis Romanus sum]

excellent post! Clearly, those who ready-reach to evoke fears of the MuslimMenace™ have little to no actual understanding of the nature/degree of domestic violence in "the west"...

More likely you people have no actual understanding of the nature/degree of domestic violence in the Muslim world.

[Civis Romanus sum]

I'm not but apparently Harper is.

I'm confused about your position. Other than anything Harper does is bad, of course. You condemn opposing dictators but at the same time you say you're not in favour of keeping them in power.

[Civis Romanus sum]

Civis Romanus, you clearly exaggerate violence againt women in Muslim countries and try to hide that same issues exist (yes to a lesser extend) in Western societies. I refer you to the statistics on brutally and domestic violence against women right here in Canada. As I said clean up your own backyard before criticizing others as how dirty their backyard is.

Citizen, you are completely ignorant of the extent of Muslim violence towards women and children. You complain about the violence in Canada, which is an enlightened, civilized western progressive nation, yet that violence exists amid many laws against it, and a myriad of organizations trained and dedicated to dealing with it. How can you imagine that in the rougher, more violence prone Muslim world with its extreme religious beliefs, where there are no such laws and no such agencies that violence would be far and away worse? How is that in any way logical to you?

[On Guard for Thee]

I'm confused about your position. Other than anything Harper does is bad, of course. You condemn opposing dictators but at the same time you say you're not in favour of keeping them in power.

Did you perhaps mean to say deposing dictators, otherwise your comment makes not a lot of sense.

[Civis Romanus sum]

Those things are illegal in Canada and we punish those acts equally regardless of your religion and I expect people who arrive on our shores are aware of that. No need to hide under the bed.

Do you have daughters? Do you know any young women? If you know any young women in a city which has Muslims you might ask them about their experiences with Muslim men.

[Civis Romanus sum]

Did you perhaps mean to say deposing dictators, otherwise your comment makes not a lot of sense.

Would you be in favor of any opposition to a dictator which didn't depose him? Aren't such things as sanctions also designed to eventually depose a dictator? Are you in favour of any kind of real opposition to dictators and if so what kind? A stern note to convey our dissaproval, perhaps?

[CITIZEN_2015]

I have seen no real appetite for democracy in the Muslim world. Even where one takes place, usually imposed from outside, the locals only care about which tribe has power and it quickly breaks down.

You should look into honor killings in the middle east. See if you can find anyone who has been severely punished for murdering their daughter or sister because they thought her behaviour was shameful. Try to find any case where I think you should a man was severely punished for beating his wife, much less for raping her. It might happen occasionally. Who knows? But it is a rare thing.

I think you should educate yourself on the subject as your posts are out of total ignorance or may be bigotry. I am no expert in Middle East but I know this that in 1953 in one Middle Eastern country the nation rose up for democracy and supported its nationalist prime minister to nationalize the oil industry and he was overthrown by a CIA British sponsored military coup. Another Example is Egypt's Gamal Abdel Nassar....... Appetite for democracy has always been there but the West never allowed it to happen. This undemocratic coup eventually led to a revolution 25 years later for which the hope again was for democracy.

As I said I am no expert in Middle East but I find your statements hard to believe that daughters and sisters being murdered and the government would allow it to happen in more progressive countries such as Turkey, Iran, Morocco, Egypt, Tunisia. I know as an example that in Iran a man was blinded last year because a year before he poured acid on the face of his girlfriend and the court ruled that he should receive a similar punishment and also another man was spared hanging (when he murdered and raped a girl) by the girl's family at the last moment while to rope was on his neck. In Turkey hundreds of thousands of people poured into streets in protests when the newly elected Islamic government tried to impose Islamic laws, including mandatory hejab. These are just few examples contradicting your claims about brutality against women in Muslim countries.

Edited September 7, 2015 by CITIZEN_2015

[On Guard for Thee]

Do you have daughters? Do you know any young women? If you know any young women in a city which has Muslims you might ask them about their experiences with Muslim men.

I'll go you one better, I have lived and worked in a number of Muslim countries including Iran, Sudan, UAE, and got to know many Muslim women and men, young and old. Yes they follow more or less strict religious tenets, depending on the country, but by actually being there you get to see there is actually a lot of hysteria whipped up by westerners who never have.

[Civis Romanus sum]

I'll go you one better, I have lived and worked in a number of Muslim countries including Iran, Sudan, UAE, and got to know many Muslim women and men, young and old. Yes they follow more or less strict religious tenets, depending on the country, but by actually being there you get to see there is actually a lot of hysteria whipped up by westerners who never have.

So you're saying women are not raped on the streets in Egypt? They are not beaten in other Muslim countries in appalling numbers?

And do you actually think some Muslim woman, who I'm sure you were never allowed to be alone with, is going to tell you about how her husband beats her?

Edited September 7, 2015 by Civis Romanus sum

[On Guard for Thee]

So you're saying women are not raped on the streets in Egypt? They are not beaten in other Muslim countries in appalling numbers?

And do you actually think some Muslim woman, who I'm sure you were never allowed to be alone with, is going to tell you about how her husband beats her?

You continue to bolster my previous point.

[ironstone]

Chris Alexander is done in politics. He can't recover from this. Expect his resignation soon.

The story has changed somewhat since then wouldn't you say?

[drummindiver]

Not to those who don't care about facts, right CC?

[Big Guy]

Hey Big Guy, I know you don't like me commenting on your posts, but seriously, have you looked at what many other countries in the area are doing? That's right, less than zero.

You continue to post how evil Israel is while heaping praise upon Iran. How many refugees has Iran accepted?

Uh, right. Zero.

I do not mind anyone making civil and genuine comments on my posts - and I try to reply to them. I have never, would I ever try to portray any country as "evil". The leaders of Israel are doing what they think is good for Israel - they are doing their jobs. I comment what I think is good for Canada. I do not think it is good for Canada to be associated in any way with Israel. Israel has a right to do what it wants and suffer the consequences of those actions. Israel is becoming a pariah among other nations and Canada certainly does not need that association. Iran is a increasing power in the Middle East, one that we can associate with.

I think those who support Israel will be dragged down with it and those who have communications with and association with Iran will benefit from that association. Canada would gain from that association.

I do note that for a few posters here, their allegiance to their religion supersedes their allegiance to their country. That is their choice. My allegiance to my country supersedes my religion. Israel has created about 600,000 Palestinian refugees. Why should they accept any when they are the ones who created them?

I believe our actions in Iraq and Syria (and lack of action on Gaza) helped create this current refugee crisis and we have a responsibility to alleviate some of it.

[Scotty]

Yes lol it is a democracy. The people elect their governments in Muslim countries!!!!!!..

Is that a joke?

So based on your post a man can kill his wife (you said anything) and there is no laws against that yes?

Yeah, pretty much. It's not exactly legal to kill your wife, but it's not likely the authorities will make much of a fuss, and are pretty likely to accept whatever excuse for her death you give them.

Edited September 7, 2015 by Scotty

[Army Guy]

Big Guy:

I'd be curious to know why is it we can drop Israel as an allied in favour for Iran, what would Canada gain from that move ? and yet you want to align with a nation that is a major player in the region and is using it's resources to create problems in the regions, such as funding terrorist networks not just to create problems in Israel, but lebanon, and Syria as well... it has on many occasions spoken out for the destruction of Israel....

You also mention religion, Iran is a nation that is run by it's religious leaders....everything it does is based on religious beliefs.....

[Scotty]

The U.S. does not have a federal election in just five weeks. It is just another foreign story.

Are you suggesting the entire media madness around this is election driven? I don't think so. It's true the responses of the Liberals and NDP are election related, but the press coverage is not. Even if there was no election the media would still be wailing and crying about this and demanding the government do something. There's no such demand in the US. There isn't even any questions being put to American political leaders on the subject. There doesn't seem to be the slightest pressure to accept more migrants or refugees.

[Scotty]

You are insinuating that every Muslim man beats and rapes his wife. So therefore we shouldn't allow them as refugees? Is that what you are saying?

If I was going to say it I would have said it. Since I didn't say it, then clearly I didn't say it. However, I've seen surveys which have been taken in various Muslim countries which say a very high percentage of women are beaten by their spouses. And let's face facts, violence in Muslim countries is endemic.

[Scotty]

I agree that Mr. Trump is more interesting than any Canadian candidate,

Seems to be more interesting than any American candidate too.

Edited September 7, 2015 by Scotty

[CITIZEN_2015]

Is that a joke?

Yeah, pretty much. It's not exactly legal to kill your wife, but it's not likely the authorities will make much of a fuss, and are pretty likely to accept whatever excuse for her death you give them.

Well if you didn't realize that it was a joke then you know nothing about Middle East. At least I am honest enough to conceded to my lack of expertise but you keep on posting all the false statements about Middle East and Muslims and you know absolutely nothing about them.

[bush_cheney2004]

Are you suggesting the entire media madness around this is election driven? I don't think so. It's true the responses of the Liberals and NDP are election related, but the press coverage is not. Even if there was no election the media would still be wailing and crying about this and demanding the government do something. There's no such demand in the US. There isn't even any questions being put to American political leaders on the subject. There doesn't seem to be the slightest pressure to accept more migrants or refugees.

That's right....it's no big deal. The U.S. already has over 11,000,000 "refugees" with lots more coming. Some guy in Quebec just tried to bring in three more illegal "refugees" to the U.S. Many more millions of refugees around the world, especially in Africa...for decades, but they don't fit this very political narrative. I think we know why.

[drummindiver]

Sorry,m my quote button isn't working.

I don't know if Muslim men are more prone to acts of violence against women.

I will note, however, that there is rampant rape in these refugee camps. I have never heard of an incident in, say, Auschwitz or other similar camps. Japanese camps in Canada. Anywhere?

Also, honour killings.

Also, even muslim media blaming rape victims.

List goes on. Sure seems to add up.

[Scotty]

Well if you didn't realize that it was a joke then you know nothing about Middle East. At least I am honest enough to conceded to my lack of expertise but you keep on posting all the false statements about Middle East and Muslims and you know absolutely nothing about them.

You haven't shown anything I've said about Muslims in the middle east to be false. Nor has anyone else.