The cost of Migrants

[WestCoastRunner]

So if you drop 5000 people who think homosexuality is a crime that should be punished by prison or death, and that women rate somewhere between livestock and property, into my neighborhood... I am moving ASAP. That's so what.

-k

More hysteria. You are eventually moving to your space in the country so what are you worried about. Edited September 10, 2015 by WestCoastRunner

[cybercoma]

For one, we're getting 250k-300k immigrants per year all the time anyway, and that IS enough to change society in a significant way.

Not when 1) it's a society already based on immigration and accommodation over the last 400 years, and 2) those 250,000 immigrants are from a wide variety of cultures and nationalities.

Secondly, the moment you give an inch you are asked for a mile.

Why, we're practically Vietnamese considering we let in 100,000 of "those people" between 1975 and 1992. Or maybe, you're blowing things just a tad out of proportion.

[kimmy]

More hysteria. You are eventually moving to your space in the country so what are you worried about.

I'm worried about people who don't have the same freedom to choose their circumstances that I do.

I believe that settling a large number of socially regressive people into communities is going to change those communities for the worse.

-k

[cybercoma]

25,000 sounds like a drop in the bucket, but that's a little deceptive. The 25,000 won't be spread evenly about the country. They'll be landing in neighborhoods like Edmonton's Mill Woods, and equivalent neighborhoods in Calgary, Vancouver, Toronto, and Ottawa, because those neighborhoods already have prominent Muslim presence. So now you're not talking about 25,000 into a population of 30,000,000 you're talking about maybe 3000 to 5000 into a population of about 80000 and it doesn't seem like a drop in the bucket anymore.

-k

35 million people in Canada

5 million in Toronto

2 million in Vancouver

1 million in Calgary

960,000 in Edmonton

933,000 in Ottawa

25,000 people spread between JUST those cities is absolutely a drop in the bucket. It's one quarter of one percent of the total population of those cities.

[WestCoastRunner]

I'm worried about people who don't have the same freedom to choose their circumstances that I do.

I believe that settling a large number of socially regressive people into communities is going to change those communities for the worse.

-k

Has that happened yet in Canada where Muslims are throwing gays off roofs

[cybercoma]

It just bothers me that some progressives will talk about what a scumbag Kim Davis is and in the next talk about how we need to bring in more Syrians.

-k

Last I checked, nobody is saying Kim Davis should be deported.

[kimmy]

35 million people in Canada

5 million in Toronto

2 million in Vancouver

1 million in Calgary

960,000 in Edmonton

933,000 in Ottawa

25,000 people spread between JUST those cities is absolutely a drop in the bucket. It's one quarter of one percent of the total population of those cities.

I picked the 80,000 figure because that's roughly the population of Edmonton's Mill Woods district which already has a lot of Muslims and would undoubtedly be where Edmonton's share of the Syrian refugees settle. I don't know the names of the equivalent neighborhoods in GTA, GVA, Calgary, or Ottawa, but I'm certain that they exist and that they too will be receiving the bulk of the refugees destined for those cities.

Has that happened yet in Canada where Muslims are throwing gays off roofs

I don't believe that it has to come to homicide. I anticipate we'll see verbal abuse, harassment, and intimidation before homicides.

Last I checked, nobody is saying Kim Davis should be deported.

If 5000 Kim Davis were dropped into my neighborhood, I'd be looking for a new address too. I can't see why people would pillory her on the one hand yet talk about how we need to get us some Syrians on the other. They're basically about the same.

-k

[cybercoma]

If 5000 Kim Davis were dropped into my neighborhood, I'd be looking for a new address too. I can't see why people would pillory her on the one hand yet talk about how we need to get us some Syrians on the other. They're basically about the same.

-k

Do you suppose they'll level your neighbour's house and build an apartment building, calling it "Little Syria" and house exclusively Syrian refugees?

[eyeball]

It just bothers me that some progressives will talk about what a scumbag Kim Davis is and in the next talk about how we need to bring in more Syrians.

-k

I think you're ignoring or discounting that lefties also understand we're talking about taking in victims of circumstances we also feel a lot of our own conservative thinking had a hand in creating. Maybe you think it's rude of us to do so but the cognitive dissonance of having to swallow conservative prescriptions for the consequences of conservative actions that helped create the circumstances in the first place is pretty galling.

The people screaming the loudest about the threat of taking in religious conservatives is other conservatives. If religious conservatism is such a danger to the well-being of our secular society than I suggest our governments mount a public education program that warns everyone of it including refugees.

[WestCoastRunner]

I picked the 80,000 figure because that's roughly the population of Edmonton's Mill Woods district which already has a lot of Muslims and would undoubtedly be where Edmonton's share of the Syrian refugees settle. I don't know the names of the equivalent neighborhoods in GTA, GVA, Calgary, or Ottawa, but I'm certain that they exist and that they too will be receiving the bulk of the refugees destined for those cities.

I don't believe that it has to come to homicide. I anticipate we'll see verbal abuse, harassment, and intimidation before homicides.

If 5000 Kim Davis were dropped into my neighborhood, I'd be looking for a new address too. I can't see why people would pillory her on the one hand yet talk about how we need to get us some Syrians on the other. They're basically about the same.

-k

You think harassment of gays doesn't occur from the non Muslim community. My son is gay. I know all about it. The Muslim community doesn't have this market cornered.

[Guest]

If religious conservatism is such a danger to the well-being of our secular society than I suggest our governments mount a public education program that warns everyone of it including refugees.

I could get on board with that!

[On Guard for Thee]

It just bothers me that some progressives will talk about what a scumbag Kim Davis is and in the next talk about how we need to bring in more Syrians.

-k

Are you sure you are not just conflating conservative religious attitudes and ignoring the realities of refugee escaping a war torn country and an obviously well paid civil servant?

[kimmy]

Do you suppose they'll level your neighbour's house and build an apartment building, calling it "Little Syria" and house exclusively Syrian refugees?

I suppose that they will congregate with like-minded people in public places and harass and intimidate people who don't conform to their religious views.

You think harassment of gays doesn't occur from the non Muslim community. My son is gay. I know all about it. The Muslim community doesn't have this market cornered.

I live in the most redneck community in BC. There's nothing you could tell me about this that I don't already know. And that's why I'm certainly not stoked at the arrival of a bunch more rednecks.

-k

[kimmy]

Are you sure you are not just conflating conservative religious attitudes and ignoring the realities of refugee escaping a war torn country and an obviously well paid civil servant?

You don't think the typical Syrian refugee is going to be, by Canadian standards, a religious conservative?

-k

[cybercoma]

I suppose that they will congregate with like-minded people in public places and harass and intimidate people who don't conform to their religious views.

So they'll turn into teenagers at the mall.

[On Guard for Thee]

You don't think the typical Syrian refugee is going to be, by Canadian standards, a religious conservative?

-k

I suspect they may be , but I also expect them to inculcate and obey our laws. Kim Davis apparently didn't bother to do that.

[Topaz]

Yes it going to cost and probably more to the provinces, than the feds because if these people don't have jobs and jobs are that plenty right now, then it will be welfare for most. It also cost millions to bomb the hell out of the ME and Canadians don't know how much that has cost until we get a new government and I guess it would be in the millions, so were do u want to spend the money? The whole world has been changing since 9/11 and sending the people in the ME to other countries, will differently change the countries taking them in and if they do stay there.

[Bonam]

25,000 sounds like a drop in the bucket, but that's a little deceptive. The 25,000 won't be spread evenly about the country. They'll be landing in neighborhoods like Edmonton's Mill Woods, and equivalent neighborhoods in Calgary, Vancouver, Toronto, and Ottawa, because those neighborhoods already have prominent Muslim presence. So now you're not talking about 25,000 into a population of 30,000,000 you're talking about maybe 3000 to 5000 into a population of about 80000 and it doesn't seem like a drop in the bucket anymore.

-k

True. Of course, those not comfortable in these neighborhoods will leave and we'll end up with cities split up into different ethnic enclaves. It's already happened with many other groups. Of course, proponents of mass immigration will see nothing wrong with this.

[marcus]

Why do you continue to expose your ignorance? Isn't it embarrassing to you? You clearly know nothing about immigration if you're even bringing up temporary working permits as a comparison. What I said was we could bring over hundreds of thousands of young university graduates

Lesson #232

This is how we get most of our permanent residents. They usually gain work experience in Canada, then they can apply to become permanent residents.

Cool, eh?

I recommend again; Learn about the topic, before trying to debate with someone.

[Derek 2.0]

I'm worried about people who don't have the same freedom to choose their circumstances that I do.

I believe that settling a large number of socially regressive people into communities is going to change those communities for the worse.

-k

Good points, added to this key point from the radical CBC

Unlike Justin Trudeau and Tom Mulcair, Harper is regularly briefed by expert, senior government officials — public servants obligated by national self-interest, not polls, or the emotion that naturally arises from a picture of a small corpse face down on a beach.

They are no doubt telling him the obvious: that good public policy is not written in response to a single picture.

They would be pointing out that sensible refugee policy must consider the masses violently displaced from a number of countries other than Syria: Afghanistan, Iraq, Sudan, Libya, Eritrea, Iran and Somalia, to name just the seven other nationalities most commonly given formal asylum in Europe.

And they would also be telling their prime minister something that politicians and journalists have trouble saying in a liberal democracy whose sympathetic citizens are demanding action: the Syrian refugees are emanating from the world's current epicentre of ethno-religious violence, and they require screening.

Proper screening takes time.

I feel we should equate the current refugee crisis with that of homelessness. With homelessness, as a society, our varying levels of Government use a given portion of our tax dollars to fund social programs to help alleviate some of the symptoms, this we could equate to foreign aid. Though we might quibble on the amount spent (or not spent), I would assume most would agree with the practice on principle.

On top of taxpayer funded relief for homelessness, I would also assume, many of us also contribute through various avenues out of pocket, be it donations to the Salvation Army bins or the local food hamper, up to large cash donations to various charities like the United Way. Furthermore, a lesser percentage of us may actually even donate time, be it through the local soup kitchen or other such groups. This we could equate to private donations to charities or joining one of the various aid groups like Red Cross or MSF to help make a difference.

This brings us to accepting refugees into our country…………I doubt very much there are many of us that are so pious to suggest that they take in homeless people themselves….some do, and they are deserving of praise. But I doubt very many would ever consider the notion sans some semblance of a screening process, let alone accept homeless folks from an area in the community ridden with street crime….But we should be prepared to bring in thousands of refugees at a drop of a hat, from a war torn region, that breeds an ideology that teaches them to hate us…………brilliant.

Now several media sources are reporting that several extremists have been arrested among the refugees.........I don't know how accurate the reports are, but it all boils down to the law of averages.........all it would take is just .25% of the presumptive 10000/25000 refugees to adhere to radical Islam to equal ~20-60 possible terrorists brought into Canada..........That is not to say we shouldn't bring in refugees, but they do need extensive screening prior, and the NDP/Liberal policy of bringing them here first, than sorting them out, is nothing more than putting partisan politics ahead of sound public policy.......

[On Guard for Thee]

and the NDP/Liberal policy of bringing them here first, than sorting them out, is nothing more than putting partisan politics ahead of sound public policy.......

That is totally inaccurate according to what both of those party leaders have stated they would do. And at least they have both stated they would actually DO something vis a vis the Harper sit on your hands approach.

[Derek 2.0]

That is totally inaccurate according to what both of those party leaders have stated they would do. And at least they have both stated they would actually DO something vis a vis the Harper sit on your hands approach.

Ahhh no, its quite accurate:

Mulcair insisted Canada has the resources to start processing 10,000 Syrian refugees “before the end of this year,” something the NDP platform promises to do.

Where are these resources? CIC states it takes upwards of a year+ to process a refugee.

Liberal Party leader Justin Trudeau said Thursday that “Canada must immediately accept 25,000 Syrian refugees, stop dragging its heels.”

There are few details about how that plan should work. But, on Friday, Trudeau told reporters in Richmond Hill that what it takes is “simply political will.”

Political will does not equate to good public policy.

Edited September 10, 2015 by Derek 2.0

[Canada_First]

All of these so called people are going to be the working poor if not just sit on welfare forever. I see no benefit if their kind being let into Canada.

Are we trying to turn Canada into a toilet? I don't understand this obsession with flooding Canada with non whites.

[Canada_First]

Of course not, it by far only reflects the strident views of conservative Canadians with zero ethical and moral capacities due to decades of wallowing in their own Islamophobic loathing.

They are every bit as godawful as that which they despise and cut from the very same cloth.

You live in an area where your chance of daily contact with Muslims is practically nil. Why not go live in a majority muslim area and see how wonderful it is to our country? See how much of a contribution they're making then get back to us.

It's easy to sit in an all white enclave and tell the rest of us how we should live. Elitism at its finest.

Edited September 10, 2015 by Canada_First

[Bob Macadoo]

You live in an area where your chance of daily contact with Muslims is practically nil. Why not go live in a majority muslim area and see how wonderful it is to our country? See how much of a contribution they're making then get back to us.

It's easy to sit in an all white enclave and tell the rest of us how we should live. Elitism at its finest.

Just so you know....listening to conservative talk radio isn't sitting in a muslim enclave. The irony of your comment is staggering.