The cost of Migrants

[cybercoma]

I worked in Iran for some months in the aviation business, both in Tehran and down on Kish island. We had Iranian co-pilots, all men, and many other staffers who handled passengers, bags, freight, mostly women. Very competent people whichever job they held. And once I became trusted by them I was invited to the compound their company supplied for them. Once inside the hair coverings disappeared, the music went on, drinks, laughter and discussion ensued, not unlike it would back here. My point with all that is simply the people there are way ahead of their ayatollah leaders, and hopefully as they die off and are replaced by the younger population, the country will progress rapidly. And I'll take a further risk here by saying, the women were stunningly beautiful to my eyes.

And that's why there were riots a couple years ago and people gave their lives to try to invoke change.

[cybercoma]

Well no, they are not, Indians (and other Asians are). Below is the American story, and ours is pretty much the same:

http://blogs.voanews.com/all-about-america/2015/05/08/this-us-ethnic-group-makes-the-most-money/

Statscan reports they have roughly double the rate of education of the Canadian average.

Article pointing out half the richest are immigrants:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/face-of-wealth-how-the-profile-of-canadas-richest-has-changed/article12508223/

A quick search of our immigration numbers reveals most are coming from Asian countries. Also reported here:

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/young-suburban-and-mostly-asian-canadas-immigrant-population-surges

It costs a lot of money to move countries and to be approved to live and work here, you typically have to prove that you have a ton of money saved or have a sponsor in the country who has a ton of money to help you out.

[Canada_First]

So let me see if I understand it correctly. You yourself are an African IMMIGRANT in Canada?. You have come to Canada yourself and settled and you wish to slam the door on others?

And Africans are not violent? Remember the Rwanda massacre and mass rape in 1994 (not considering systematic rape in other parts of African continent). Considering less than 5% of that country's population are Muslims then may be we should stop taking immigrants from Africa too? Or is that we are too afraid to say no to black people? (a reference to your allegation that we are too afraid to say no to brown people!!!!) And while you are talking about OUR laws, ways and traditions (which I assume you meant Canadian not African). Well I have news for you. Canadian ways and traditions does NOT include bigotry and that makes you contrary to OUR ways and traditions as per your statements. YOU are the one who is trying to change our ways and traditions NOT most of Muslim immigrants.

It is wrong to stereotype any group of people as violent, rapists, disrespectful because some of them are and this (a minority violent, rapist, disrespectful) could be among any race or religion or group of people. This kind of bigotry is UNCANADIAN. Those who do it are not compatible with kind and compassionate Canadian culture and should have failed adaptability when they applied for immigration.

I emigrated here. Which means I was sought out by Canada due to my wealth and business contacts at the time. I didn't arrive with my hand out. Canada came to me. I had offers from other countries as well. I made a lot of money during Apartheid Era and wanted out before the country fell into ruin where it is today. I knew the ANC would try to size assets of those people who made money during that time. I wasn't the only white African with money and business contacts to be offered citizenship just before Apartheid fell. Many of us got out and went to the west to preserve our wealth. We all must choose a master to serve.

[Canada_First]

I hate to be the one to bring up but does it not seem rational to see these Syrian refugee's fleeing before the religious nutbars ? These refugee's are the damn Moderates that all you war-against-terrorists-killthemovertherebeforetheycomehere crowd have been looking for since 2001 for godsake.

They're fleeing ISIL! These aren't the religious nutbars. Those guys are remaining behind to build the Caliphate not looking to go serve Big-Macs in Bremen.

These people are getting the hell out of there before its too late. And all I can hear is "one is too many"

(edited to fix some auto-correct)

One is too many.

They have no money. No wealth. Therefore no value to Canada. They will only become a drain on it. We need to take care of our own people before helping with the garbage.

[Canada_First]

One of the aircrew we had was x military, (actually most were) and had flown in the Iran-Iraq war, so he had lot's of stories to tell once we reached cruise. One in particular was that, as he was approaching retirement age, he planned to move to California to work with his brother who owned a couple of gas stations there. There was also a US election looming at the time and he was well aware of the candidates, their platforms etc. Again my point here is that a lot of the chagrin that is directed toward these people comes from people who probably don't ever get far enough away fro their TV set or their newspaper to acquire a very well formed opinion.

A pilot is a glorified bus driver. Get over yourself.

Seriously. Private business is where the real money is. Not being a slave for an airline. I have better things to do with my day then what some boss tells me to do.

Real men take control of thier lives and work for themselves. I guess we need worker bees too. So, keep it up?

[Scotty]

No, I mean the 50,000 that were settled between 1979-1980. And the commies were probably hiding amongst them for the same reason the islamofascists are hiding amongst Syrians.

Commies didn't blow up our buildings or machinegun children in malls.

[Scotty]

You know I criticize both you AND them for dehumanizing people, right?

Where have you criticized 'them'? I must have missed it...

[Scotty]

But, if we use the US example, right wing anti-immigrant hysteria does not depend on religion; the hysteria about Mexicans taking over "Our" Country applies using most of the same tropes.

You're kidding yourself if you think only right wing Americans are concerned about the flood of Hispanics across the border. The Democratic party doesn't talk about it much because it's courting Hispanic votes, but Trump's anti-immigrant stuff appeals across party lines in the US. There are states, like California, where Hispanics are edging out Caucasians in numbers, and with those numbers they don't necessarily feel the need to abandon their old language to integrate. So you have people who grew up somewhere, and gradually, over their lifetime, find the place filled with foreigners who speak their own language and have their own culture. And you find it amazing many people would feel tremendous resentment about that?

[Scotty]

And you can see this in the Conservative narrative when they were confronted about the Syria n refugees, but then provided immigration numbers. It completely ignores what refugees go through and why they're a completely different class from immigrants.

I get that they're a different class from regular immigrants. But what I'm concerned about is the future impact of bringing in lots and lots of Muslims to Canada because their religion supports cultural values I find barbaric. Muslim numbers in Canada are expected to exceed that of aboriginals within the next ten years, and there's no sign their growth rate is slowing.

[Scotty]

The way conservatism is formulated in our time, it sure as hell looks like an ideological framework built around selfishness and self-interest.

While those on the Left are far more generous, with other people's money. How many people arguing so strenuously on behalf of refugees have contributed a substantial sum OF THEIR OWN MONEY to help Syrian refugees oversees or offered to sponsor a refugee?

[Scotty]

It is wrong to stereotype any group of people as violent, rapists, disrespectful because some of them are and this (a minority violent, rapist, disrespectful) could be among any race or religion or group of people. This kind of bigotry is UNCANADIAN. Those who do it are not compatible with kind and compassionate Canadian culture and should have failed adaptability when they applied for immigration.

What if I believe YOU are 'uncanadian'?

Edited September 11, 2015 by Scotty

[On Guard for Thee]

A pilot is a glorified bus driver. Get over yourself.

Seriously. Private business is where the real money is. Not being a slave for an airline. I have better things to do with my day then what some boss tells me to do.

Real men take control of thier lives and work for themselves. I guess we need worker bees too. So, keep it up?

I detect a little jealousy here.

[waldo]

There are states, like California, where Hispanics are edging out Caucasians in numbers, and with those numbers they don't necessarily feel the need to abandon their old language to integrate. So you have people who grew up somewhere, and gradually, over their lifetime, find the place filled with foreigners who speak their own language and have their own culture. And you find it amazing many people would feel tremendous resentment about that?

yabut... how many of them are muslim!!! What's this... per Pew Research (2013), in the U.S., 1/2 of 2nd generation Latinos are bilingual in English/Spanish... of all Hispanics, 38% mainly use Spanish. You speak of language integration... what's your percentage measuring bar level for "acceptable integration"?

[cybercoma]

I get that they're a different class from regular immigrants. But what I'm concerned about is the future impact of bringing in lots and lots of Muslims to Canada because their religion supports cultural values I find barbaric.

Christianity supports cultural values that are barbaric too.

Luke 19:27 But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.

Deuteronomy 25:5 “When brothers live together and one of them dies and has no son, the wife of the deceased shall not be married outside the family to a strange man. Her husband’s brother shall go in to her and take her to himself as wife and perform the duty of a husband’s brother to her.

And before you give me that "Christianity rejects the old testament" nonsense:

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

And this lovely gem about "international relations"

Deutoronomy 20:10-17 10“When you approach a city to fight against it, you shall offer it terms of peace. 11“If it agrees to make peace with you and opens to you, then all the people who are found in it shall become your forced labor and shall serve you. 12“However, if it does not make peace with you, but makes war against you, then you shall besiege it. 13“When the LORD your God gives it into your hand, you shall strike all the men in it with the edge of the sword. 14“Only the women and the children and the animals and all that is in the city, all its spoil, you shall take as booty for yourself; and you shall use the spoil of your enemies which the LORD your God has given you. 15“Thus you shall do to all the cities that are very far from you, which are not of the cities of these nations nearby. 16“Only in the cities of these peoples that the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, you shall not leave alive anything that breathes. 17“But you shall utterly destroy them, the Hittite and the Amorite, the Canaanite and the Perizzite, the Hivite and the Jebusite, as the LORD your God has commanded you.

Make no mistake about it. Religious texts are violent detestable things. But how many Christians here follow those beliefs, despite what the books say? You know those people fleeing Syria and running from ISIS? They're trying to escape the fanatics and radicals who would take text like the above literally if it came from the Qu'ran. We have laws here against all of the things you claim you're worried about them bringing with them. Will some of them do criminal things when they get here? Probably. Many native-born Canadians do criminal things. We deal with it the way our society deals with all criminals. But to turn our backs on all refugees fleeing the Islamofascists you claim we're fighting is inhumane. It's telling the ones who are looking for peace, the ones who don't want to be dominated by radicals, that Canada doesn't give a crap about them. Is that the message you want to send to those trying to get away from radicals? Do you want to radicalize the moderates and push them back into the arms of ISIS?

[Peter F]

I emigrated here. Which means I was sought out by Canada due to my wealth and business contacts at the time. I didn't arrive with my hand out. Canada came to me. I had offers from other countries as well. I made a lot of money during Apartheid Era and wanted out before the country fell into ruin where it is today. I knew the ANC would try to size assets of those people who made money during that time. I wasn't the only white African with money and business contacts to be offered citizenship just before Apartheid fell. Many of us got out and went to the west to preserve our wealth. We all must choose a master to serve.

I understand. You were an economic refugee/migrant from a country where the whole structure was about to collapse on that cultures barbaric practices.

Canada went out of its way to take you in.

Thats a good thing isn't it?

[Scotty]

yabut... how many of them are muslim!!! What's this... per Pew Research (2013), in the U.S., 1/2 of 2nd generation Latinos are bilingual in English/Spanish... of all Hispanics, 38% mainly use Spanish. You speak of language integration... what's your percentage measuring bar level for "acceptable integration"?

And according to your own cite only 25% mainly use English! Only half the second generation are bilingual!? And you think this is great!?

If I grew up in a state and saw the number of foreigners speaking a foreign language growing every year until they outnumbered me I would be pretty pised off! And that you people seem astonished that anyone would be bothered just shows how incredibly out of touch with reality you are.

[Scotty]

Christianity supports cultural values that are barbaric too.

No, they don't. None of the Christian churches call for literal acceptance of such things today. You can't say the same of the Muslim religious authorities who speak and write about the Koran.

Make no mistake about it. Religious texts are violent detestable things. But how many Christians here follow those beliefs, despite what the books say? You know those people fleeing Syria and running from ISIS? They're trying to escape the fanatics and radicals who would take text like the above literally if it came from the Qu'ran.

They're fleeing war and poverty. It's not at all clear they have major theological problems with ISIS. Nor is it clear, or likely, they have a huge disagreement with the general interpretation of the Koran as practiced in the ME, and how that relates to the treatment of women, gays, and minorities. In other words, their values, based upon a barbaric religious text, are likely to be the same as that of the region - which is pretty damn backwards.

But to turn our backs on all refugees fleeing the Islamofascists you claim we're fighting is inhumane.

I haven't suggested we turn our backs on all refugees, nor that we take no one.

It's telling the ones who are looking for peace, the ones who don't want to be dominated by radicals, that Canada doesn't give a crap about them.

You're making assumptions about them which I'm not. Looking for peace? Well, they're looking to get away from Assad's barrel bombs, that's for sure. But that doesn't suggest they want to abandon what they believe are the cultural behaviours mandated by the Koran.

I wonder how many of those young men streaming north, if they had lived in an ISIS controlled area (they didn't or they likely would not have been able to get out), would have rejected a pretty young infidel slave girl if they'd been offered.

[CITIZEN_2015]

What if I believe YOU are 'uncanadian'?

You can believe what you want and have the right to do so and since I have read your comments what you believe is totally worthless to me as well as a few others like you. That said I let the readers on the forum to read your comments and my comments too and then decide whether what you and a few of your kind say which is hate propaganda (generalization of certain group of people as violent and rapist and stereotyping which based on definition of the word bigotry qualifies for that) or what I say (that there are good and bad people in every race, religion or group of people and people are equal and to be respected regardless of race, religion, color, national origin, gender, orientation but judged only based on the size their hearts and their mind) is UNCANADIAN.

I emigrated here. Which means I was sought out by Canada due to my wealth and business contacts at the time. I didn't arrive with my hand out. Canada came to me. I had offers from other countries as well. I made a lot of money during Apartheid Era and wanted out before the country fell into ruin where it is today. I knew the ANC would try to size assets of those people who made money during that time. I wasn't the only white African with money and business contacts to be offered citizenship just before Apartheid fell. Many of us got out and went to the west to preserve our wealth. We all must choose a master to serve.

Canada did not seek you or knock on your door asking to come over you knock on Canada's door when YOU applied for immigration.

So you became rich on the back of oppressed people of South Africa or Zimbabwe (mainly black people discriminated against for decades by whites coming from Europe and who took over their country) and then before ANC took over you fled your homeland and came to start a new life in Canada but you deserved it because you had money and your skin was white but the Syrians who want to flee before ISIS take over (which will take their lives not only their money which was your case) they don't deserve it because they don't have money and likely their skin is not as white? Thank you for clarifications.

Edited September 11, 2015 by CITIZEN_2015

[waldo]

And according to your own cite only 25% mainly use English! Only half the second generation are bilingual!? And you think this is great!?

If I grew up in a state and saw the number of foreigners speaking a foreign language growing every year until they outnumbered me I would be pretty pised off! And that you people seem astonished that anyone would be bothered just shows how incredibly out of touch with reality you are.

that's 25% of all U.S. Hispanics mainly using English... with over 60% bilingual. Per StatsCan (2011), 17.5% of Canadians rate themselves as bilingual (being able to carry on a conversation in either English or French)..... so, in regards your "great" reference, that U.S. 60% 2nd generation figure seems rather... "great".

but you didn't answer my question; again: You speak of language integration... what's your percentage measuring bar level for "acceptable integration"?

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[marcus]

Only half the second generation are bilingual!? And you think this is great!?

I think it's great to be bilingual. Why are you so afraid Scotty?

[Canada_First]

You can believe what you want and have the right to do so and since I have read your comments what you believe is totally worthless to me as well as a few others like you. That said I let the readers on the forum to read your comments and mind and decide whether what you and a few of your kind say which is hate propaganda (generalization of certain group of people as violent and rapist and stereotyping which based on definition of the word bigotry qualifies for that) or what I say (that there are good and bad people in every race, religion or group of people and people are equal and to be respected regardless of race, religion, color, national origin, gender, orientation but judged only based on the size their hearts and their mind) is UNCANADIAN.

Canada did not seek you or knock on your door asking to come over you knock on Canada's door when YOU applied for immigration.

So you became rich on the back of oppressed people of South Africa or Zimbabwe (mainly black people discriminated against for decades by whites coming from Europe and who took over their country) and then before ANC took over you fled your homeland and came to start a new life in Canada but you deserved it because you had money and your skin was white but the Syrians who want to flee before ISIS take over (which will take their lives not only their money which was your case) they don't deserve it because they don't have money and likely their skin is not as white? Thank you for clarifications.

Firstly. You know nothing of Rhodesia. It wasn't an Apartheid state like S Africa. Blacks voted. Served in the military. Etc in Rhodesia. Did you know that? I'll bet you didn't.

Second. I didn't apply. They came to me and to many of my colleagues. I'm sure some paperwork was filed but it was handled by my lawyers. I never physically applied or stood in line like the penniless scum we now let in.

Yes they are worthless. They have no wealth. Therefore no value to Canada. They will come here and go on welfare. Then drain our resources with Healthcare, education, Esl etc which the if will be in the billions. All so they go get jobs serving big macs or coffee at Timmies.

Plus some of them will become or are criminals. Wil we send them back when they begin victimizing our citizens? Raping our white children.

Not at all the same thing. I flew here First Class cabin. Comfortable and rested. Ready to invest capital into Canada.

These so called people will fly like cattle probably raping each other on the way over. Dreaming of how they can turn Canada into an Islamic Republic. They've probably never even heard of an airplane before.

They should go to Saudi Arabia.

Edited September 11, 2015 by Canada_First

[waldo]

Yes they are worthless. They have no wealth. Therefore no value to Canada. They will come here and go on welfare. Then drain our resources with Healthcare, education, Esl etc which the if will be in the billions. All so they go get jobs serving big macs or coffee at Timmies.

Plus some of them will become or are criminals. Wil we send them back when they begin victimizing our citizens? Raping our white children.

I flew here First Class cabin. Comfortable and rested. Ready to invest capital into Canada.

These so called people will fly like cattle probably raping each other on the way over. Dreaming of how they can turn Canada into an Islamic Republic. They've probably never even heard of an airplane before.

oh my, umlungu... yes, you are the model immigrant that Harper Conservatives seek/treasure!

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[CITIZEN_2015]

Firstly. You know nothing of Rhodesia. It wasn't an Apartheid state

I didn't apply. They came to me and to many of my colleagues.

The Lies are so BIG that I am stunned and speechless.............

Yes they are worthless. They have no wealth. Therefore no value to Canada. They will come here and go on welfare. Then drain our resources with Healthcare, education, Esl etc which the if will be in the billions. All so they go get jobs serving big macs or coffee at Timmies.

Plus some of them will become or are criminals. Wil we send them back when they begin victimizing our citizens? Raping our white children.

Not at all the same thing. I flew here First Class cabin. Comfortable and rested. Ready to invest capital into Canada.

These so called people will fly like cattle probably raping each other on the way over. Dreaming of how they can turn Canada into an Islamic Republic. They've probably never even heard of an airplane before.

And hatred is so obvious I don't have to comment.

Edited September 11, 2015 by CITIZEN_2015

[Canada_First]

The Lies are so BIG that I am stunned and speechless.............

And Bigotry is so obvious I don't have to comment

Rhodesia wasn't an Apartheid state. Blacks could work. Serve as police and military. They voted. Explain how that is apartheid like South Africa where the blacks had none if those rights.

People like to make the two countries the same but it's not true. It's just lies. Rhodesia broke away from the colonial power of the UK to rule itself. The UK didn't like this and pressured the world to hate us.

Find out the truth. Don't swallow the lies. Blacks fought alongside us against the communists which were backed by the west. Go read about it if you don't believe me.

[cybercoma]

Oh, Mr. Canada_First. Your posts are like an old friend that no one missed.