bush_cheney2004 Posted September 8, 2015 Report Posted September 8, 2015 I expect it from wonder boy, but not Mulcair. That's disappointing. Never waste a good crisis ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
waldo Posted September 8, 2015 Report Posted September 8, 2015 They're falling all over each other, trying to beat the other in the most irresponsible plan. There's no such thing as "fast tracking" tens of thousands of refugees with all the proper protocols that must be in place. They're both coming off as complete amateurs. It's pathetic and unbecoming for anybody seeking higher office. you don't know what you're talking about... do some research on the Vietnamese boat people... on how Canada took in 50,000 Vietnamese refugees in 2 years (79/80) and just how that was accomplished. It can be done if the political will is there. Quote
Shady Posted September 8, 2015 Report Posted September 8, 2015 you don't know what you're talking about... do some research on the Vietnamese boat people... on how Canada took in 50,000 Vietnamese refugees in 2 years (79/80) and just how that was accomplished. It can be done if the political will is there. 79 and 80 weren't in the post 911 world and the current ISIS reality. Furthermore, there weren't countries in the region able to take them. There's no reason why places like the UAE, Qatar, etc can't accept refugees from their own region. Quote
Scotty Posted September 8, 2015 Report Posted September 8, 2015 Immigration has been in general positive for Canada in many ways and I have posted about the past and present benefits previously but if Canadian government become more selective on immigrants then not only immigrants don't cost anything but they would significantly benefit the country and the nation. Germany takes in a lot of immigrants. They have a thing called a blue card, which lets you immigrate if you have a university degree from a recognized university, and have a job offer which pays at least $50,000 a year. That sounds like something we might want to copy. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted September 8, 2015 Report Posted September 8, 2015 yup... it's been one of member Argus' regular ready reach go-to sources in the past. I've also had a few things to state about the much profiled Pew survey that regularly gets all the mileage from your ilk... rather, I've passed on some of the significant scrutiny that's been brought to bear on the methodology and results of that particular survey. This coming from a guy who cites immigration lawyers as references for why immigration is a good thing! Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted September 8, 2015 Report Posted September 8, 2015 a broad reference from the Canadian Association of Refugee Lawyers... a challenge to it with real data/facts is encouraged: You post THIS as a referance while mocking the sources other people provide!? :lol: :lol: Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted September 8, 2015 Report Posted September 8, 2015 you don't know what you're talking about... do some research on the Vietnamese boat people... on how Canada took in 50,000 Vietnamese refugees in 2 years (79/80) and just how that was accomplished. It can be done if the political will is there. And your brains are absent. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
waldo Posted September 8, 2015 Report Posted September 8, 2015 79 and 80 weren't in the post 911 world and the current ISIS reality. Furthermore, there weren't countries in the region able to take them. There's no reason why places like the UAE, Qatar, etc can't accept refugees from their own region. don't back-peddle now! Stay firm... as I said, if the political will is there, a significant number of refugees could be taken in... again, 50K taken in by Canada in 2 years. Do some research next time, hey! Quote
waldo Posted September 8, 2015 Report Posted September 8, 2015 And your brains are absent. hot damn! I trust no one reports your most personal insult to the board moderator! Does the waldo have you flummoxed, flustered, forlorn, fevered... Quote
waldo Posted September 8, 2015 Report Posted September 8, 2015 You post THIS as a referance while mocking the sources other people provide!? :lol: :lol: is that the reference... or what I included from that reference - you know, where I specifically proffered the challenge to address what I had quoted? Would you like me to quote it again? Quote
Scotty Posted September 8, 2015 Report Posted September 8, 2015 hot damn! I trust no one reports your most personal insult to the board moderator! Does the waldo have you flummoxed, flustered, forlorn, fevered... I wasn't speaking about your brains in particular, Waldo. As is obvious from the context. I don't generally address small subjects. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted September 8, 2015 Report Posted September 8, 2015 is that the reference... or what I included from that reference - you know, where I specifically proffered the challenge to address what I had quoted? Would you like me to quote it again? Would you like me to quote you sneering and ignoring the cites other people post, even today, without commenting further than to dismiss them because of what site they're on? Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
CITIZEN_2015 Posted September 8, 2015 Report Posted September 8, 2015 (edited) Germany takes in a lot of immigrants. They have a thing called a blue card, which lets you immigrate if you have a university degree from a recognized university, and have a job offer which pays at least $50,000 a year. That sounds like something we might want to copy. The point I was making was likely missed or may be I didn't express it clearly. Yes having skills in demand and education is great and a must but what also should be a must and essential is compatibility and adaptability. We don't wish to be swallowed by people of those cultures who may have education and skills but without respect for individual freedoms and democracy or no respect for law or those who don't believe in equality and rights regardless of race, religion, gender and orientation. Edited September 8, 2015 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
waldo Posted September 8, 2015 Report Posted September 8, 2015 I wasn't speaking about your brains in particular, Waldo. As is obvious from the context. I don't generally address small subjects. your now 2nd personal insult ignored... and reported! Quote
eyeball Posted September 8, 2015 Report Posted September 8, 2015 ...it will only get worse... Go figure. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
waldo Posted September 8, 2015 Report Posted September 8, 2015 Would you like me to quote you sneering and ignoring the cites other people post, even today, without commenting further than to dismiss them because of what site they're on? sure... knock yourself out! I don't typically ignore a failed reference without actually commenting on it... did I slip up here? Look, I get you're pissed at having your big "ta da" on supposed "Swedish Muslim rape" exposed for the nonsense it is... I get that. But the best thing for you to do is 'roll with the waldo punches'... take your lumps, move on and come back stronger next time! Quote
Scotty Posted September 8, 2015 Report Posted September 8, 2015 sure... knock yourself out! I don't typically ignore a failed reference without actually commenting on it... did I slip up here? Look, I get you're pissed at having your big "ta da" on supposed "Swedish Muslim rape" exposed for the nonsense it is... I get that. But the best thing for you to do is 'roll with the waldo punches'... take your lumps, move on and come back stronger next time! You ignored my cite on Muslim rape gangs in the UK, and ignored the cite by someone on the status update you chose to actually make a whole post on, while ignoring the figures. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
hitops Posted September 9, 2015 Report Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) sure... knock yourself out! I don't typically ignore a failed reference without actually commenting on it... did I slip up here? Look, I get you're pissed at having your big "ta da" on supposed "Swedish Muslim rape" exposed for the nonsense it is... I get that. But the best thing for you to do is 'roll with the waldo punches'... take your lumps, move on and come back stronger next time! sure... knock yourself out! I don't typically ignore a failed reference without actually commenting on it... did I slip up here? Look, I get you're pissed at having your big "ta da" on supposed "Swedish Muslim rape" exposed for the nonsense it is... I get that. But the best thing for you to do is 'roll with the waldo punches'... take your lumps, move on and come back stronger next time! I have no clue about Muslim rapists in Sweden, but Muslims do have the distinct trend of causing problems wherever they go. Scandinavia and Europe have been learning this the hard way over the last 20 years. Those Scandinavian countries which have been less accepting of immigrants, have not had the same problems. I shouldn't say Muslims full stop. Muslims from the majority Arab Sunni population, is more accurate. They simply don't get along with others. They have a mentality that you and I are inferior, that they have a divine natural place above us. Some Muslim minority groups on the other hand such as the Ahmediya set or the Ismalis, do quite well. Naturally, the mainline Muslim Sunnis hate them, do not consider them Muslims and generally do their best to kill them when the opportunity avails itself. Christian and Jewish Arabs from Muslim countries also tend to get along, build lives and do well here. Many, many immigrants groups have come here and done well. Vietnamese, Filipino, Chinese, Indian come to mind in recent history. But they have the mentality of success. They do not come with 'us against the infidels' mental posture. In today's world, Buddhists, Shintos, Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, Atheists, Agnostics, etc, all get along. Very few deaths in the name of religion. Muslims on the other hand, fight with all of them, in the name of religion. Again, wit the exception of many smaller Muslims sects who the majority Muslims also want to kill. I sympathize with the refugee crises, but we are a small country population wise. We need to be smart about who we let in. Different beliefs have different results. If you think a modern progressive society will allow good outcomes for all, just ask Sweden how that's going with it's Muslims. Or France. Or Britain. Or etc etc Just being in a western country does not mean things go well. There are vast difference between incomes, education levels and involvement in the society between different immigrants groups. For the same reason that African immigrants vastly outperform African Americans, different beliefs and behaviors determine very different life path and effects on society. Edited September 9, 2015 by hitops Quote
Argus Posted September 9, 2015 Report Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) The point I was making was likely missed or may be I didn't express it clearly. Yes having skills in demand and education is great and a must but what also should be a must and essential is compatibility and adaptability. We don't wish to be swallowed by people of those cultures who may have education and skills but without respect for individual freedoms and democracy or no respect for law or those who don't believe in equality and rights regardless of race, religion, gender and orientation. If we opened up recruitment from Europe right now we could fill our entire yearly quota with young European university graduates who speak English/French and have similar cultural values to ours. The government's own stats show that European immigrants are the most economically successful of all geographic regions. Why aren't we doing so? Because they're mostly White, and the Conservatives are terrified of being accused of preferring White immigrants. Edited September 9, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
WestCoastRunner Posted September 9, 2015 Report Posted September 9, 2015 Is there even any debate on that point, Waldo? We make fun of the US deep south for their plethora of ignorant, anti-science, bigoted religious conservatives... but those people are educated liberal intellectuals compared to the people we're being asked to bring in en masse. If you're a supporter of things like women's rights, gay rights, tolerance of diversity, and so on, why would you be excited about the prospect of drop-shipping to Canadian cities tens of thousands of people who find those concepts completely foreign? -k If you dig a bit deeper into Muslim leaders in Canada they do not condone violence against women and are doing probably more to educate their community against violence towards women then Canada is doing for non Muslim perpetrators. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
cybercoma Posted September 9, 2015 Report Posted September 9, 2015 Why does everyone keep bringing up Muslims, Muslims, Muslims about these things? Sikhs were the ones who were involved in a lot of the most publicized "honour" killings. They were also the ones involved in sex-selection abortions. But here we are, whining and crying about Muslims. We also rarely hear on these forums about domestic violence and domestic homicide in general. It's always in relation to Muslims without any regard for any other victims. The disparity in concern shines a giant spotlight on bigotry bias at play here. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted September 9, 2015 Report Posted September 9, 2015 Why does everyone keep bringing up Muslims, Muslims, Muslims about these things? Sikhs were the ones who were involved in a lot of the most publicized "honour" killings. They were also the ones involved in sex-selection abortions. But here we are, whining and crying about Muslims. We also rarely hear on these forums about domestic violence and domestic homicide in general. It's always in relation to Muslims without any regard for any other victims. The disparity in concern shines a giant spotlight on bigotry bias at play here. It sure does. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
hitops Posted September 9, 2015 Report Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) Why does everyone keep bringing up Muslims, Muslims, Muslims about these things? Sikhs were the ones who were involved in a lot of the most publicized "honour" killings. They were also the ones involved in sex-selection abortions. But here we are, whining and crying about Muslims. We also rarely hear on these forums about domestic violence and domestic homicide in general. It's always in relation to Muslims without any regard for any other victims. The disparity in concern shines a giant spotlight on bigotry bias at play here. Because Siks overwhelmingly get along, and Muslims don't. Furthermore, Canadians of Indian descent are the best performing immigrant in the country other than Jews. Every county that has taken large number of Muslim immigrants is regretting it. Edited September 9, 2015 by hitops Quote
eyeball Posted September 9, 2015 Report Posted September 9, 2015 Why does everyone keep bringing up Muslims, Muslims, Muslims about these things? Sikhs were the ones who were involved in a lot of the most publicized "honour" killings. They were also the ones involved in sex-selection abortions. But here we are, whining and crying about Muslims. We also rarely hear on these forums about domestic violence and domestic homicide in general. It's always in relation to Muslims without any regard for any other victims. The disparity in concern shines a giant spotlight on bigotry bias at play here. I think most of it stems from the years of patriotic and ideological effort invested in maintaining the fiction the West is entirely blameless if not a hapless victim in the conflagration that's consuming so much of the ME and surrounding region. It's been a truly epic cock up and history is going to be and should be downright cruel in its ridicule and humiliation of proponents and defenders of the West's policies there. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
BC_chick Posted September 9, 2015 Report Posted September 9, 2015 Because Siks overwhelmingly get along, and Muslims don't. Furthermore, Canadians of Indian descent are the best performing immigrant in the country other than Jews. Every county that has taken large number of Muslim immigrants is regretting it. That makes no sense. So you are not disputing CC's figures on Sikh domestic abuse but you're just not really as concerned because they are better "performing immigrants after Jews"? So, it's not as big a deal to kill your wife as long as you're working hard? What the heck? Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
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