Argus Posted December 10, 2015 Report Posted December 10, 2015 You may as well have voted conservative because Canada is in fact still bombing the shit out of people. So what you want is for us to just let ISIS slaughter all the Kurds, Christians, Yazidis and anyone else it doesn't like, sell their daughters as sex slaves, and simply continue to invade their neighbours? Not your problem, eh? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted December 10, 2015 Report Posted December 10, 2015 So what you want is for us to just let ISIS slaughter all the Kurds, Christians, Yazidis and anyone else it doesn't like, sell their daughters as sex slaves, and simply continue to invade their neighbours? Not your problem, eh? The problem is bombing is a waste of time. Trudeau seems to get that so is pulling out the F 16's and ramping up the training mission so the Kurds etc. can tackle the problem in a meaningful way. Quote
eyeball Posted December 10, 2015 Report Posted December 10, 2015 (edited) I think the Republicans are now screwed for the 2016 presidential election. If Trump wins the nomination, he's just too loose-cannon to win the general election. If he doesn't win the nomination, he'll run as an independant and take enough supporters with him to hand a victory to the Democratic candidate. -k A Trump-driven conspiracy to elect Clinton? I heard Trump mention wanting to get to the bottom of things, to understand why there's so much hate in the world now and before 9/11. That last got my attention, I mean when Trudeau talked root causes he was vilified by conservatives but Trump, they basically throw panties at him. Notwithstanding a conspiracy, maybe the least Trump could do is lead conservatives where they've refused to go which is into a discussion about root causes. Edited December 10, 2015 by eyeball Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 10, 2015 Report Posted December 10, 2015 ...I heard Trump mention wanting to get to the bottom of things, to understand why there's so much hate in the world now and before 9/11. That last got my attention, I mean when Trudeau talked root causes he was vilified by conservatives but Trump, they basically throw panties at him. Justin Trudeau is a non-factor...on anything but selfies and selfie sticks. Trump doesn't care how much Trudeau wants to feed his own guilt. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted December 10, 2015 Report Posted December 10, 2015 ...the least Trump could do is lead conservatives where they've refused to go.... Notwithstanding you of course. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Argus Posted December 11, 2015 Report Posted December 11, 2015 (edited) The problem is bombing is a waste of time. Trudeau seems to get that so is pulling out the F 16's and ramping up the training mission so the Kurds etc. can tackle the problem in a meaningful way. You'll pardon me if I doubt the military expertise of both yourself and Mister Trudeau the high school teacher. Do you think if we asked the Kurdish towns which were about to be overrun if bombing was a waste of time they'd agree with the two of you? Edited December 11, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted December 11, 2015 Report Posted December 11, 2015 You'll pardon me if I doubt the military expertise of both yourself and Mister Trudeau the high school teacher. Do you think if we asked the Kurdish towns which were about to be overrun if bombing was a waste of time they'd agree with the two of you? Pardon me then if I doubt yours. But do a little research and you'll find that career military experts know very well that bombing is mostly ineffective. How may war zones have you been in I wonder? Quote
-TSS- Posted December 11, 2015 Report Posted December 11, 2015 It would be interesting to know just how many illegal immigrants there would be in the USA if they had deliberately sloppy border controls and a lax immigration-policy like the EU does. The crime-rate in the USA is already notoriously high. Just imagine if they let anyone in who so wishes as the EU does. Quote
The_Squid Posted December 11, 2015 Report Posted December 11, 2015 It would be interesting to know just how many illegal immigrants there would be in the USA if they had deliberately sloppy border controls and a lax immigration-policy like the EU does. The crime-rate in the USA is already notoriously high. Just imagine if they let anyone in who so wishes as the EU does. So you've never heard of Mexico? The U.S. has more illegal immigrants than Scandinavia has people and reindeer combined. Quote
-TSS- Posted December 11, 2015 Report Posted December 11, 2015 Yes but that is while they are actually trying to control the border. Imagine what the situation would be if they didnt. Quote
The_Squid Posted December 11, 2015 Report Posted December 11, 2015 Yes but that is while they are actually trying to control the border. Imagine what the situation would be if they didnt. So you're saying that Finland doesn't control its borders and illegal immigrants are more plentiful than in the USA on a per-capita basis? Finland is home to some 4000 undocumented migrants http://yle.fi/uutiset/thousands_of_illegal_immigrants_in_finland/5419749 4000??? LOL Nice try... talk about making a mountain out of a molehill! Quote
Wilber Posted December 11, 2015 Report Posted December 11, 2015 At last count the US had 11.3 million undocumented immigrants. To have the same number per capita, Finland would need to have 190,000. Still, 4000 is almost twice as many per capita than Canada. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
WestCoastRunner Posted December 11, 2015 Report Posted December 11, 2015 At last count the US had 11.3 million undocumented immigrants. To have the same number per capita, Finland would need to have 190,000. Still, 4000 is almost twice as many per capita than Canada. Indeed. It's shameful of Canada. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
-TSS- Posted December 11, 2015 Report Posted December 11, 2015 I can see the article you posted is from 2011 but the recent events are much more serious. Finland will collapse as a society not only because of uncontrolled immigration but also because of indebtedness. I'm too old to emigrate but I keep on telling younger people who still have something to look forward to to leave Finland while they still can. This country will turn into a failed state in the 2020's. All social security will be abolished, all wages will be minimum and society as we know it today will cease to exist. IMF, ECB and the EU will confiscate all our natural resources such as ground water and forests. A lot of Finnish people will be living in tents be it winter or not. Quote
eyeball Posted December 12, 2015 Report Posted December 12, 2015 (edited) Yes but that is while they are actually trying to control the border. Imagine what the situation would be if they didnt. We'd finally exist in the free trade state we've been led to believe exists - acting like or resembling at least, Earthling's for a change. Edited December 12, 2015 by eyeball Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
WestCoastRunner Posted December 12, 2015 Report Posted December 12, 2015 We'd finally exist in the free trade state we've been led to believe exists. Excellent pint. Whoops, I did mean point! Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
eyeball Posted December 12, 2015 Report Posted December 12, 2015 I can see the article you posted is from 2011 but the recent events are much more serious. Finland will collapse as a society not only because of uncontrolled immigration but also because of indebtedness. I'm too old to emigrate but I keep on telling younger people who still have something to look forward to to leave Finland while they still can. This country will turn into a failed state in the 2020's. All social security will be abolished, all wages will be minimum and society as we know it today will cease to exist. IMF, ECB and the EU will confiscate all our natural resources such as ground water and forests. A lot of Finnish people will be living in tents be it winter or not. That's a result of corporate globalism and it's happening everywhere. Pretty much all the natural resources where I live in BC are shipped off to other places. Seems to work well for the companies that own/move all this stuff around, especially when the planet is pretty much a borderless frontier to them. So...since placing restrictions on corporations is verboten if not enough to have your government overthrown I figure we might as well join them and to coin a phrase...tear down these walls. In the meantime. Finland's new monthly guaranteed income should help reduce the grind of the unemployed and the stress of the overworked. Given it's so obviously difficult for the economy and it's managers to share the gains sharing the pain is really the only way to go. We could go after the corporations who after all have all the gains but how? They can go where we can't follow so...it's a real Catch-22. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
BC_chick Posted December 12, 2015 Report Posted December 12, 2015 (edited) A Trump-driven conspiracy to elect Clinton? I've heard that said before and it seemed a bit far-fetched but that clip was an interesting compilation. A lot of Trump's friends have come forward saying this is not the man they know and given the long-standing friendship with the Clintons and the over-the-top rhetoric, I suppose it's plausible that he's in cahoots with Clinton. The only thing that doesn't make sense if that's the case, is that he's strongly destroying his brand during this debacle and that's pretty much his main source of income in life. Edited December 12, 2015 by BC_chick Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
eyeball Posted December 12, 2015 Report Posted December 12, 2015 I've heard that said before and it seemed a bit far-fetched but that clip was an interesting compilation. A lot of Trump's friends have come forward saying this is not the man they know and given the long-standing friendship with the Clintons and the over-the-top rhetoric, I suppose it's plausible that he's in cahoots with Clinton. The only thing that doesn't make sense if that's the case, is that he's strongly destroying his brand during this debacle and that's pretty much his main source of income in life. He wouldn't even have to be in cahoots with Clinton. He could simply be operating like some driver who figures he's doing the world a favour by travelling exactly at the speed limit in spite of all the frustration they're causing behind them. He's sacrificing his brand for the greater good - which is burying a malevolent brand of conservatism that needs to be buried and cemented over. Clinton will be way too conservative as it already is so...Go Trump Go, but be careful what we wish for. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Topaz Posted December 12, 2015 Report Posted December 12, 2015 This is the USA and anything goes, and if the Republicans wants Trump gone and he won't go, his plane could have problems, or will some poor Muslim be used to take out Trump. Trumps is becoming an embarrassment to the Republicans and to the country and is he working with the Clintons' or the Bush's??? Quote
eyeball Posted December 12, 2015 Report Posted December 12, 2015 This is the USA and anything goes, and if the Republicans wants Trump gone and he won't go, his plane could have problems, or will some poor Muslim be used to take out Trump. Trumps is becoming an embarrassment to the Republicans and to the country and is he working with the Clintons' or the Bush's??? His assassination at this point would probably only rile up the GOP base even more against the GOP elite. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
-TSS- Posted December 12, 2015 Report Posted December 12, 2015 Donald Trump is a jackass but the question is do you prefer him or Hillary? Unfortunately the other Republican candidates are so useless that you wonder whether they can tie their own shoe-laces. I'm sure that most Americans don't want either Hillary nor Trump but unfortunately that may be the choice they have. Quote
Wilber Posted December 12, 2015 Report Posted December 12, 2015 Don't know what they want but it wouldn't be the first time "none of the above" would be a welcome addition to a ballot. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 12, 2015 Report Posted December 12, 2015 Donald Trump is a jackass but the question is do you prefer him or Hillary? Irrelevant unless you can vote in the election. Donald Trump continues a long tradition of American business and entertainment personalities running for political office. Can't buy that kind of name recognition. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
The_Squid Posted December 12, 2015 Report Posted December 12, 2015 I can see the article you posted is from 2011 but the recent events are much more serious. Finland will collapse as a society not only because of uncontrolled immigration but also because of indebtedness. I'm too old to emigrate but I keep on telling younger people who still have something to look forward to to leave Finland while they still can. This country will turn into a failed state in the 2020's. All social security will be abolished, all wages will be minimum and society as we know it today will cease to exist. IMF, ECB and the EU will confiscate all our natural resources such as ground water and forests. A lot of Finnish people will be living in tents be it winter or not. So provide us some numbers.... how many illegal immigrants in Finland now? Quote
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