Donald Trumpisms

[WestCoastRunner]

It absolutely was not. It was the correct course of action for the situation that presented itself. Due diligence that may not be necessary is much better than being sorry you weren't more careful later.

No. It was a knee jerk reaction.

[Bryan]

No. It was a knee jerk reaction.

It was a well thought out, very intelligent reaction.

So is this:

House Votes to Restrict Travel by Foreigners Who Visited Iraq, Syria

[WestCoastRunner]

It was a well thought out, very intelligent reaction.

So is this:

House Votes to Restrict Travel by Foreigners Who Visited Iraq, Syria

It wasn't intelligent at all. Edited December 10, 2015 by WestCoastRunner

[Michael Hardner]

For clarity, we're talking about "two wrongs" ... is that about expelling nationals, and banning an entire religion - those are the two wrongs ?

[WestCoastRunner]

For clarity, we're talking about "two wrongs" ... is that about expelling nationals, and banning an entire religion - those are the two wrongs ?

Yes. And I can't find out why 15,000 Iranians were expelled.

Edited December 10, 2015 by WestCoastRunner

[Michael Hardner]

Yes. And I can't find out why 15,000 Iranians were expelled.

It was retaliation for the revolutionary Iranian government holding American civilians against their will.

[WestCoastRunner]

It was retaliation for the revolutionary Iranian government holding American civilians against their will.

No that's too easy an answer. 50,000 students had to report to customs but 7,000 were expelled and the remaining were not students.

I mean the remaining 8,000 were not students

Edited December 10, 2015 by WestCoastRunner

[bush_cheney2004]

No that's too easy an answer. 50,000 students had to report to customs but 7,000 were expelled and the remaining were not students.

I mean the remaining 8,000 were not students

Agreed...it wasn't pretty back then...some Americans wanted to just nuke Iran. President Carter used the power of his office to strike at Iranian nationals already in the country legally, and denied entry to others because of the actions by Iran's Islamic Revolution.

[eyeball]

If the Paris attack had of occurred before our election it wouldn't have changed my voting preference even though I was pissed. I don't think your giving enough credit to voters.

What if the attacks had taken place in Toronto?

[WestCoastRunner]

What if the attacks had taken place in Toronto?

Personally, it wouldn't have changed my voting preference which is liberal. I would like to bomb the sh..t out of iSIS but I understand that Canada can help in other more practical means. But I would never consider voting conservative.

Edited December 10, 2015 by WestCoastRunner

[eyeball]

You may as well have voted conservative because Canada is in fact still bombing the shit out of people. We're guiding bombers to their targets and refuelling them on the way. If you're in for a penny when it comes to killing people you're in for a pound and probably a pounding in return.

As far as I'm concerned the Liberal Party stands for itself first and what's practical for the country or the situation is secondary to that.

[WestCoastRunner]

You may as well have voted conservative because Canada is in fact still bombing the shit out of people. We're guiding bombers to their targets and refuelling them on the way. If you're in for a penny when it comes to killing people you're in for a pound and probably a pounding in return.

As far as I'm concerned the Liberal Party stands for itself first and what's practical for the country or the situation is secondary to that.

Well I was answering in response to your post about how voters would respond if the Paris attack had of occurred earlier. As I said, you don't give voters enough credit and appear to dismiss them as cattle

[eyeball]

If you recall I also said most rational voters can do the appropriate thing at the ballot box. That said it might not have taken that many frightened voters to vote irrationally and change the outcome of our election, not in our FPTP system. It would just depend on how frightened they were and how galvanizing the event was and when and where.

[bush_cheney2004]

No worries, because no matter how many Canadians would want to vote for Trump in '16 (like they wanted to vote for Obama in '08), the "vast majority" can't.

[WestCoastRunner]

No worries, because no matter how many Canadians would want to vote for Trump in '16 (like they wanted to vote for Obama in '08), the "vast majority" can't.

Another narcissist. We were talking Canadian politics. No need to respond that this is a Donald thread.

[bush_cheney2004]

Another narcissist. We were talking Canadian politics. No need to respond that this is a Donald thread.

That was the point...welcome back.

[On Guard for Thee]

That was the point...welcome back.

I know you're ot supposed to ask, but are you really going to vote for Trump?

[Rue]

Americans will decide who they vote for. Trump is expressing views no one else will. Obama pushed the USA to an extreme left creating a vacuum from denial as to what motivates terrorists and how to deal with them. Obama has apologized to terrorist, gotten into bed with Muslim terrorists and has 8 years of foreign policy to show for that.

Trump is the other side of the pendulum saying all the things people want to say in response to Obama but in this world of political correctness are afraid to say.

Because Trump is bringing out in the open repressed feelings of fear, it will force Americans to discuss the issues behind those feelings of fear and force all politicians to acknowledges certain issues that they would have otherwise not acknowledged had Trump not brought them up as he has and will continue to do.

Its actually fascinating.

All the Muslim terror attacks these last twenty years, and not a peep from Muslims like there is now. Now just one hot head makes some comments and presto, one Muslim group in reaction to his comments has raised $140 thousand dollars towards the victims of the shootings in San Bernadino.

Say what you want his comments were the catalyst for them to speak out and say-hey we are good Muslims.

I say if it takes some more of his polarizing statements to get good Muslims to speak out and denounce terrorism, good for him. Get them out. Stir the damn bee's nest and get them out of the nest.

The only way Muslims are going to get off the hot seat is to get up off the hot seat by denouncing terrorism-making it clear their religion is not about terrorism.

Its time good Muslims speak out and not sit silently hiding behind a fear people don't know the difference between them and bad Muslims so they shoukd just hide. Bull crap. Speak out against Islamic terrorists hijacking your religion. Acknowledge what Obama won't, that these terrorists are Muslim and misappropriating your beliefs.

The dialogue in the US is the same dialogue we have in Canada only we are oh so polite. Harper was portrayed as our Trump. He was portrayed on this forum as some ogre, a Muslim hating mean man with no heart.

Please. The only difference is Americans don't even try muffling their farts in political debate but we do and either way the smell is still there and if some of you think Justin doesn't fart I got news for you, he's doing his share contributing to global warming.

Americans will find a way to address the issue we are all faced with in the West-the challenge of balancing free speech, democracy, certain fundamental human rights at an individual level, with those on the state or collective level and the Trumpisms are part of that process.

The pendulum has swung to the right in response to its having swung to far to the left. Trump is similar to a market correction on the stock exchange.

I think Trump is bound to implode and self destruct. All the signs are there, calling a woman ugly, ridiculing a disabled journalist's cerebral palsy, now his Muslim statements, or his statement on the Mexican security wall, but he was and remains a necessity as long as he chooses to remain in the race. The issues he raises are otherwise being suppressed and repressed by the politically correct Obama regime who are as fascist and intolerant as anything they claim he is.

I don't think Trump is as stupid or fascist as some say, but I do think he is deliberately obtuse, obnoxious and outrageous and insulting. I personally believe he is more tolerant of Muslims than Obama who barely hides his Muslim beliefs these days. Trump hates everyone for the same reasons.

His macho huff and puff is part of his narcissistic personality- it is based on the fact he is a crude, uneducated, non scripted demagogue, and is a shock politician-he is to politics what Howard Stern was at one point to talk radio-they get attention by offending.

I believe his negative messages are purshing otherwise silent, complacent moderate people to finally get up off their buttox and speak out and in the long run that catalyst to get them to speak out finally, will create positive results.

I take the moral outrage in reaction to him by the left no differently than I do their fascism couched in self proclaimed righteousness. They are as fascist as he is-the only difference is he admits it, they do not.

Any extremist needs to be taken with a grain of salt and each time some liberal guilt ridden putz gets all upset I say, open a friggin window and stop whining and stop feeing Trump cabbage. Speak out. Speak out and express a vision of democracy and fight for it.

Obama never did that. He spent 8 years saying what was wrong with the US vision of democracy and provided no vision, no alternative.

Obama has wasted 8 years in office saying what the US should not be.

Trump is popular because Americans by their very essence are people who express who they are, not what they aren't. That is all Trump is doing. He's a low grade Mussolini. His snow ball effect is a direct result of left wingers hiding behind political correctness to avoid dealing with issues they have avoided for 8 years-one of them being-how does the West balance democracy and religious freedom with terrorism flowing from certain religious beliefs.

Its time the knee jerk liberals who are quick to call others bigots, get off their ass and start telling us all, do they know the difference between a bigot and a terrorist and their own opinions? Can they explain why? So far they have not. They are quick to say what they denounce, but what is it they suggest? What are the security measures they suggest?

You've read it on this forum. Pull the fighter jets. Provide more humanitarian aid, welcome refugees with a warm smile.

Excuse me the dialogue is going to require more then that and I hope we do not have to displaybody parts in freezer bags to get that point across.

Edited December 10, 2015 by Rue

[Michael Hardner]

Americans will decide who they vote for. Trump is expressing views no one else will. Obama pushed the USA to an extreme left ...

You are simply reflecting a cracked-lens view that is dominated by a certain entertainment-based political shows. Tax rates and the entire political climate is far more to the right than it ever was but the incessant doctrinaire shrieking insists that it's not enough.

And in your post you haughtily dismiss the 'moral outrage' from a campaign that has blankly suggested that internment camps are a viable solution to the US security problems.

I'm surprised that you are succumbing to this lack of historical perspective, especially given your personal background.

[Bryan]

And in your post you haughtily dismiss the 'moral outrage' from a campaign that has blankly suggested that internment camps are a viable solution to the US security problems.

Who has suggested that?

[Michael Hardner]

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/trump-defends-muslim-ban-plan-by-comparing-it-to-fdrs-internment-of-japanese-americans-we-are-now-at-war

I wasn't sure where I saw that, but the NP article headline may explain it:

Trump defends Muslim ban plan by comparing it to FDR’s internment of Japanese Americans: ‘We are now at war’

[Michael Hardner]

New Hampshire state Rep. Al Baldasaro defended Donald Trump’s plan to ban all Muslims from entering the U.S., comparing it favorably to the internment of Japanese civilians in the U.S. during World War II.

“What he’s saying is no different than the situation during World War II, when we put the Japanese in camps,” Baldasaro, a co-chair of Trump’s state veterans coalition, told WMUR on Monday night. “The people who attacked innocent people in Paris came through open borders. From a military mind standpoint, all Donald Trump is saying is to do what needs to be done until we get a handle on how to do background checks.”

http://www.boston.com/news/local/new-hampshire/2015/12/08/rep-approves-trump-muslim-ban-says-just-like-japanese-internment-camps/t8tzXX7XEl5d5L2tCpadKM/story.html

This certainly means he sees such a plan as viable IMO, and Baldasaro said that New Hampshire Republican Party chairwoman Jennifer Horn should resign for her statements against the plan.

[kimmy]

I think the Republicans are now screwed for the 2016 presidential election.

If Trump wins the nomination, he's just too loose-cannon to win the general election.

If he doesn't win the nomination, he'll run as an independant and take enough supporters with him to hand a victory to the Democratic candidate.

-k

[Michael Hardner]

I think the Republicans are now screwed for the 2016 presidential election.

The Republicans did this to themselves. They created an entire genre of media that identified closely with them and was useful to pursue their goals, but when the goals of the media owners drifted from those of the party the politicians were unable to turn it off.

[Argus]

Of course it was wrong.

It came after Iran took the diplomatic staff at the US embassy hostage. Which is an act of war.