Immigration

[Argus]

Not very difficult at all, and I' not alone as has been pointed out numerous times.

Certainly not by you, nor by anyone with any logic to support them which goes beyond the sophistication level of "You're a poo-poo head!"

[On Guard for Thee]

The messenger was an immigration lawyer saying we need more immigrants! WTH!

The fact is there are a number of groups which certainly benefit from immigration - immigration lawyers and consultants being one of them. But generally, business supports higher immigration levels because it provides a pool of cheap, easily exploited workers. Also, complaining of 'labour shortages' gets the government to allow them to bring in temporary foreign workers and pay them less than Canadians.

But the notion that Canada is facing large labour shortages in coming years “is very misleading,” said Mr. Halliwell, an economist who has studied labour market trends for 36 years.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/no-labour-shortage-on-horizon-study-says/article15324642/

Maybe you should read and try to understand your own links, even if they are a couple of years old. It states that the reason the labour shortage hasn't materialized as quickly as previously projected has to do with the downturn in 2008. That said, other stats showing fertility rates and ageing still show that the shortage will occur, once we begin to grow the economy again. Ya know, perhaps after October.

[On Guard for Thee]

Certainly not by you, nor by anyone with any logic to support them which goes beyond the sophistication level of "You're a poo-poo head!"

OK, now we are down to talking your language. Carry on, but surely you ca do better than "poo poo head"!

[Argus]

Maybe you should read and try to understand your own links, even if they are a couple of years old. It states that the reason the labour shortage hasn't materialized as quickly as previously projected has to do with the downturn in 2008. That said, other stats showing fertility rates and ageing still show that the shortage will occur, once we begin to grow the economy again. Ya know, perhaps after October.

No it doesn't. It comments on future and present labour shortages. You're referencing the present while ignoring the future. You're also ignoring all the reports and cites I've posted above. I suspect it's because you're not so much interested in any real conversation on the topic as you are in shutting the topic down.

Are you, perhaps, working for an immigration consulting firm?

[On Guard for Thee]

No it doesn't. It comments on future and present labour shortages. You're referencing the present while ignoring the future. You're also ignoring all the reports and cites I've posted above. I suspect it's because you're not so much interested in any real conversation on the topic as you are in shutting the topic down.

Are you, perhaps, working for an immigration consulting firm?

You are getting a bit desperate now.

[Argus]

You are getting a bit desperate now.

I suppose addressing the topic and expecting you to deal with what I say would likely be considered so.

Edited August 24, 2015 by Argus

[On Guard for Thee]

I suppose addressing the topic and expecting you to deal with what I say would likely be considered so.

I've addressed the issue of falling birth rates and ageing population a number of times. Go do your own research if you don't believe it.

[cybercoma]

LOLOLOL! You are trying to use the web site of an immigration consulting firm, a company which makes money off immigrants, as your cite?! Seriously!? :lol:

you have no room to be laughing about other people's sources considering what you've provided.

[cybercoma]

I suppose addressing the topic and expecting you to deal with what I say would likely be considered so.

deal with what you say, kind of like the way you deal with what people's sources say?

[Moonlight Graham]

That might be bigotry, but it isn't racism. It's about cultural differences, not skin colour. Because of your reflexive horror, you can't tell the difference.

Define bigot. Bigot means being intolerant of people with differing opinions, beliefs, religious views etc.

Someone can counter that they are not racist, but when it comes to some comments and positions, it's pretty clear whether that person is a racist or not. For example, when someone speaks out against immigration and their reason is the following bigoted, stereotyped and blanket comment:

No, we owe our children to preserve what we made for them, not to bury it in a mass of illiterate foreign goat herders who have no job skills, will never pay any taxes

Such a quote would be from someone who doesn't want illiterate people with poor job skills to immigrate to Canada. If they would support immigration from educated foreigners with in-demand job skills I don't see how that would be racist or bigoted.

Edited August 24, 2015 by Moonlight Graham

[Smallc]

I think Argus is intolerant of people with certain views and beliefs. I don't think that's a bad thing. It's alright to be critical where it's deserved.

[On Guard for Thee]

I think Argus is intolerant of people with certain views and beliefs. I don't think that's a bad thing. It's alright to be critical where it's deserved.

Certain views and beliefs....that disagree with his. And yes, it is alright to be critical where it's deserved. When you start making derogatory, one size fits all statements such as he has done about Muslim women being wrapped up in a garbage bag or howevr he put it, you lose a lot of credibility. At least in my book.

Edited August 24, 2015 by On Guard for Thee

[marcus]

I'm aware that, for no justification whatsoever... and I mean they didn't even TRY to give a reason, the Conservatives, right out of the blue, raised immigration to 300,000 this year.

Just a coincidence that's election year, I'm sure.

They raised it by 20,000. Which means that not much has changed and it's not due to election policies.

In fact, "internal" Conservative documents shows that the Conservatives understand the importance of immigration in order to meet the population needs. As more and more baby boomers retire, we need to respond to the skilled worker shortage now and more so in the future.

Fight Statistics Canada information all you want, but even Harper and his team understand the importance of immigration.

Edited August 24, 2015 by marcus

[marcus]

Such a quote would be from someone who doesn't want illiterate people with poor job skills to immigrate to Canada. If they would support immigration from educated foreigners with in-demand job skills I don't see how that would be racist or bigoted.

The problem with his simplistic view is that it's wrong. Majority of the people we take in through immigration are highly educated and speak pretty good English. This is required for the largest immigration programs in Canada. The issue Argus has is that a large percentage of the people who are migrating to Canada are from, what Argus believes,'undesirable' countries simply because they're brown folks and follow a religion that makes him uncomfortable.

[cybercoma]

Argus is intolerant of people who are visible minorities from areas where there may be people with "certain" views and beliefs without any regard for the fact that people who immigrate or seek refuge here are frequently trying to escape that. His arguments are too broad and too blunt to even consider individuals' and their beliefs, as evidenced by his persistent use of sweeping insults and bigoted remarks towards entire cultures and ethnicities.

I think Argus is intolerant of people with certain views and 8YkWV3IS1037. I don't think that's a bad thing. It's alright to be critical where it's deserved.

[bush_cheney2004]

The term "visible minority" is all of those things and worse. I wonder why it is still used ?

[cybercoma]

I wonder why you still post here, but both our ponderings are off topic diversions.

The term "visible minority" is all of those things and worse. I wonder why it is still used ?

Edited August 24, 2015 by cybercoma

[bush_cheney2004]

Using the term "visible minority" in the context of immigration policies or attitudes just perpetuates the status quo for people who had no role in creating domestic "racism".

[drummindiver]

I haven't said that I don't care about Canada or its culture. I think it's better for the people to realize that culture can't be defended, and that it's better for all people if we let people immigrate as freely as capital does. The idea that culture changes is scary to some, to protectionists and to people afraid of change, but it's realistic and we should adapt to it rather than protect dying ideas.

I don't think I could disagree with a statement more than this.

let's forgo our identity?

Edited August 24, 2015 by drummindiver

[drummindiver]

Bigotry, racism and xenophobia are personal and subjective views growing for a long time in an environment of hate and distrust. They cannot be rationalized, excused or convincing to those who not only tolerate but celebrate diversity. Bigots also cannot be convinced of the error of their positions because that would require them to find other excuses for their failures. Those who are unable to elevate themselves in society attempt to demean and depreciate other groups, races and religions in an attempt to save their self esteem.

They continue to thrive through the medium of anonymity since being accountable for their views would mean shunning from most neighbors and co-workers. Racists and bigots cannot be convinced of the danger of their views since these views form the basis for their vision of society. To accept that they are mistaken would force a complete restructuring of their lives - a reality that is too frightening to attempt.

Michael - I congratulate your perseverance. You exhibit the same tenacity as did the early Christians who trekked into the jungles to convert the heathens. I wish you better success.

Diatribe against racism...calls Aboriginals heathens. Hypocrite level...Jesus.

[PIK]

I don't think I could disagree with a statement more than this.

let's forgo our identity?

That exactly what he said. This idea that we to bend over for anybody that wants to come here, will kill this country and we will be no better off then the countries these people come from. White guilt or whatever they call it, is a sickness. What needs to be done is fix the countries that have the problems. It is time for a UN with teeth. Where we go to these countries with 100,000 or more troops and equipment and clean these hell holes up. So the citizenry can have their own home and something to build. But oh no ,we can't do that , we need to bring everyone here till this country explodes.

[Michael Hardner]

I don't think I could disagree with a statement more than this.

let's forgo our identity?

More like- let's not try to create and maintain an identity we don't agree on or that never existed

[Big Guy]

Diatribe against racism...calls Aboriginals heathens. Hypocrite level...Jesus.

Heathen - "a person who does not belong to a widely held religion (especially one who is not a Christian, Jew, or Muslim) as regarded by those who do."

To the best of my knowledge, I believe that there were not too many Christians, Jews or Muslims in the jungles when Christian Missionaries traveled to third world countries.

If you are uncomfortable with meaning of words perhaps you could look up their meanings before commenting.

[Argus]

I've addressed the issue of falling birth rates and ageing population a number of times. Go do your own research if you don't believe it.

I've done my research. You refuse to do any. You cling stubbornly to the old homilies politicians have been spouting for years without a shred of supporting evidence. You have an absolutely closed mind. Closed, shuttered, and locked tight, a defiant fortress against any information or facts which run counter to your decided beliefs.

[Argus]

The problem with his simplistic view is that it's wrong. Majority of the people we take in through immigration are highly educated and speak pretty good English.

This is sheer nonsense. I've already posted cites from studies on the high level of immigrant illiteracy and how it negatively effects their job prospects, as well as information on the deteriorating economic situation of immigrants. They are now more likely to be unemployed, to be on welfare, to be flat out poor, and they don't catch up like they used to.

You people simply refuse to even read anything which detracts from your world view.