Argus Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) I am embarrassed for you. You should be embarrassed for you. Clearly you aren't able to deal with or respond to the numerous cites I've posted showing how completely and utterly wrong you are on every single aspect of immigration. So instead you continue to personalize things in a frantic effort to hide your ignorance. If we look here, we can see that immigrants from some parts of the world fare so poorly in Canada their average earnings are considerably less than the minimum wage. http://global-economics.ca/empin_immigrant_region.htm As we know, the top 20% of income earners pay 75% of all income taxes. So how much are these immigrants going to be paying? Probably very little or nothing. Edited June 30, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 Or make it more affordable for canadians to have kids. Make it more profitable to work. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
On Guard for Thee Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 I am embarrassed for you. Yeah but its all hes got. Quote
marcus Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) You should be embarrassed for you. Clearly you aren't able to deal with or respond to the numerous cites I've posted showing how completely and utterly wrong you are on every single aspect of immigration. So instead you continue to personalize things in a frantic effort to hide your ignorance. If we look here, we can see that immigrants from some parts of the world fare so poorly in Canada their average earnings are considerably less than the minimum wage. http://global-economics.ca/empin_immigrant_region.htm As we know, the top 20% of income earners pay 75% of all income taxes. So how much are these immigrants going to be paying? Probably very little or nothing. I am still embarrassed for you. Not because of your lack of knowledge of Canadian immigration, but because of your bigoted state of mind. We have one of the strictest immigration systems in the Western world. The largest immigration programs in Canada, which are in the economic class, now go through a system called Express Entry. In order to have a chance to be picked through this system, you will need your post secondary credentials assessed against Canadian standards, be under 29 years old, and have high language skills. On top of that, if you have Canadian work and/or education experience, your ranking goes even higher and you have a better chance of being picked to become a permanent resident. This system came into effect in January of 2015, in order to increase the probability of the newly immigrated people to succeed. Which was a direct response to the lower number success rate of immigrants in the workforce. There are still some problems that some immigrants face when they first land in Canada. Despite having their programs and schools assessed and accepted by Canada, there are numerous regulations, both at the provincial level and federal level which make it difficult for foreigners to have their licenses accepted. This problem is more evident when it comes to people from particular parts of the world. There is a movement to make it easier for those well educated professionals to go through the licensing system in order to be able to practice in Canada. But there is still much more that needs to be done. Some of these people end up going through an unnecessary process of having their licenses accepted. Of course, during that time, they could be considered low income. It's important to pause and think for a moment, instead of having a one-dimensional, superficial view of immigrants and the immigration process. Sometimes it takes time for people to adjust to a new home. Imagine the adjustment of a Canadian who moves from one city to another city in Canada. Now think about the obvious adjustments, to different degrees, someone from another country has to go through. We shouldn't expect integration to be instantaneous. Be patient and open your mind. Edited June 30, 2015 by marcus Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
Argus Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) Yeah but its all hes got. Well along with numerous citations supporting my statements, which of course, you haven't read because they're more than a paragraph long and your short attention span causes your mind to drift off. And so far all YOU'VE got is snide little one liners with no information or pertinent argument. Edited June 30, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
PIK Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 And what is the biggest producer of CC, over population. Time for certain countries to put a cork into it. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Argus Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 I am still embarrassed for you. Not because of your lack of knowledge of Canadian immigration, but because of your bigoted state of mind. You should be embarrassed about your vast ignorance, as well as your inability to debate any topic other than how evil Jews are with a shred of supporting documentation or evidence, not to mention logic, intelligence or wit. We have one of the strictest immigration systems in the Western world. What!? Did you actually write that!? Seriously!? We have what is probably the most permissive immigration system in the ENTIRE world! No one else has the kind of massive intake of immigrants tha we do. No one else grants them such an easy ride towards citizenship in such a short time with so few conditions. Only a very few countries in the West even have a large scale immigration system! Most of the immigrants they eventually take in they do so because they're refugees. With the above statement you demonstrate that your knowledge of immigration is basically zero. The largest immigration programs in Canada, which are in the economic class, That's nice. But the NDP is vowing to replace it with hundreds of thousands of family reunification immigrants instead, which is what this subject is about. It's something you keep ignoring, too. Nobody gives a damn about your recitation of what you've looked up yesterday on the other kinds of immigration. This topic is on the NDP vowing to make family reunification the main priority of Canada's immigration system. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
marcus Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 Isn't the internet great? Here I am, teaching you about Canadian immigration. You have this amazing opportunity to learn something. Unfortunately, it looks like that you have a lot of loud voices in your head that prevent you from digesting information given to you. Canada does have one of the strictest immigration systems in the West. This does not mean that they're not allowing people in. It means that the people they do allow in, can only get in if they can qualify under the strict rules. The information on those strict rules were posted earlier and you can revisit them if you like. Other restrictions in our immigration system include the low number of refugees we are taking in. We have some of the lowest intakes of refugees in the G8. We also have severe restrictions as to who can sponsor parents and grandparents. This includes a minimum income for at least 3 years and a maximum of 5000 applications per year. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
cybercoma Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 And what is the biggest producer of CC, over population. Time for certain countries to put a cork into it.Overpopulation is a myth. As countries evolve, birthrates decline. Quote
Argus Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 Isn't the internet great? Here I am, teaching you about Canadian immigration. Should it not be a requirement before one can teach, that one have at least an elementary understanding of the subject matter? And a level of coherence and honesty well above what you've been capable of on this or any other topic would be a welcome addition to that. Canada does have one of the strictest immigration systems in the West. Blithering drivel. It has the most open and accessible immigration system on planet earth, with some of the slackest rules around. Are you going to continue to spew lies in an effort to hide the fact you keep ignoring the entire cause of the subject? Which is the NDP's plan to change our immigration system to make family reunification its main priority? Why do you keep weaseling away from that? Couldn't be because the policy is indefensible, could it? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
cybercoma Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 Should it not be a requirement before one can teach, that one have at least an elementary understanding of the subject matter?Soooo weak. It's pretty clear to anyone reading the discussion which one of you actually knows how the process works and which one is a rabid ideologue. Quote
Boges Posted July 14, 2015 Report Posted July 14, 2015 So I assume we're outraged about this too right? http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/07/14/public-sector-union-launching-anti-harper-ad-campaign.html Quote
Big Guy Posted July 14, 2015 Report Posted July 14, 2015 I am not outraged but disappointed. It is the government in power who can create and pass legislation limiting campaign advertising during the pre-writ period. Then Conservatives chose not to do so and therefore third party PACS are jumping in with both feet. This situation where the different parties are not responsible for the accuracy and tone of third party ads is a dangerous situation. With no limits or controls, it proves a lucrative ground for the faulty and inaccurate propaganda from all sides to flourish. This is a bad idea. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
cybercoma Posted July 14, 2015 Report Posted July 14, 2015 So I assume we're outraged about this too right? http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/07/14/public-sector-union-launching-anti-harper-ad-campaign.html Yeah. The Conservatives have created a despicable political environment that includes a never-ending campaign. Quote
Bryan Posted July 15, 2015 Report Posted July 15, 2015 So I assume we're outraged about this too right? http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/07/14/public-sector-union-launching-anti-harper-ad-campaign.html The money they are spending I have no issue with, but they definitely should not be allowed to blatantly lie like that. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted July 15, 2015 Report Posted July 15, 2015 So I assume we're outraged about this too right? http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/07/14/public-sector-union-launching-anti-harper-ad-campaign.html *Yawn* When do Harper's Storm Troopers in the streets come into play? Quote
waldo Posted July 15, 2015 Report Posted July 15, 2015 *Yawn* When do Harper's Storm Troopers in the streets come into play? . Quote
waldo Posted July 15, 2015 Report Posted July 15, 2015 The money they are spending I have no issue with, but they definitely should not be allowed to blatantly lie like that. which are the lies... blatant, or otherwise? Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted July 15, 2015 Report Posted July 15, 2015 . I am laughing, its weak.....Middle Class Canadians love "hard working" PSAC Government workers Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted July 15, 2015 Report Posted July 15, 2015 which are the lies... blatant, or otherwise? In the add above, I can't be bothered with the actual cited figures, but one thing is true, the Harper Conservatives own cutting the size of Government....heck, we even brag about it Quote
waldo Posted July 15, 2015 Report Posted July 15, 2015 I am laughing, its weak..... yup... they should have closed with a Stephen Harper helmet hair line! Quote
waldo Posted July 15, 2015 Report Posted July 15, 2015 In the add above, I can't be bothered with the actual cited figures, but one thing is true, the Harper Conservatives own cutting the size of Government....heck, we even brag about it no worries... cause I doubt the PSAC campaign, as it rolls forward, will endevour to actually explain the ramifications of those cuts! Right? Oh... wait Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted July 15, 2015 Report Posted July 15, 2015 no worries... cause I doubt the PSAC campaign, as it rolls forward, will endevour to actually explain the ramifications of those cuts! Right? Oh... wait Sure, and they can 'splain with all the union dues they like, right until the writ is dropped and Canadians pay attention Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted July 15, 2015 Report Posted July 15, 2015 yup... they should have closed with a Stephen Harper helmet hair line! I saw a cartoon recently, somewhere, do exactly that........ Quote
cybercoma Posted July 15, 2015 Report Posted July 15, 2015 In the add above, I can't be bothered with the actual cited figures, but one thing is true, the Harper Conservatives own cutting the size of Government....heck, we even brag about it Is that why Harper has the largest cabinet in history? Is that why he's added more to the debt than any other prime minister in a generation? Yeah....he's all about smaller government. Quote
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