New HarperPAC

[waldo]

And of course they are not just representing "concerned citizens, they are a well funded superpac, and the fact they have not registered as third party is fishy.

fishy? You declare being within the law... "fishy"? You and Simple are heeelarious! All this supposed "hiding"... all this "secrecy"!!! Meanwhile, you keep dropping links from articles reporting the names of the founders... and... supposedly the brazillions of dollars in funding! So secret - everyone knows!

but hey now! It was the very Stephen Harper in his NCC days who advocated for unfettered advertising by 3rd parties.

[scribblet]

I people really denying that Engage Canada is funded by Public Service Unions?

Ostrich head meet sand.

Apparently. The NDP even had the nerve to sent out an email saying that the new Conservative Pac was going to spend an obscene amount of money. The kind of money we’ve never seen… really, nothing like the obscene amount of money being spent by Unions/NDP/Liberals on their engage Canada superpac. Hypocrites much.

[BubberMiley]

You don't know how much but, whatever it is, it must be "obscene"? Is that more or less than the millions and millions and millions of taxpayer money spent on "Economic Action Plan" ads just this year?

[Keepitsimple]

fishy? You declare being within the law... "fishy"? You and Simple are heeelarious! All this supposed "hiding"... all this "secrecy"!!! Meanwhile, you keep dropping links from articles reporting the names of the founders... and... supposedly the brazillions of dollars in funding! So secret - everyone knows!

More bluster. To the vast majority of Canadians whose only contact with Engage Canada is a TV, Newspaper or Internet ad - they would have no idea how self-serving their propaganda is. But of course you already know that......but continue to ramble on....and on.....and on.

[BubberMiley]

More bluster. To the vast majority of Canadians whose only contact with Engage Canada is a TV, Newspaper or Internet ad - they would have no idea how self-serving their propaganda is. But of course you already know that......but continue to ramble on....and on.....and on.

Do you think people are aware of how self-serving the $30 million in Economic Action Plan ads are, and how they're paying for it?

Probably. That's why the CPC is going to lose this election.

[Keepitsimple]

Do you think people are aware of how self-serving the $30 million in Economic Action Plan ads are, and how they're paying for it?

Probably. That's why the CPC is going to lose this election.

Sounds like you believe your George Carlin tag-line.

[eyeball]

And of course they are not just representing "concerned citizens, they are a well funded superpac, and the fact they have not registered as third party is fishy.

Anyone who has enough interest in politics they're willing to invest in it seems a little fishy to me.

[Argus]

I will make a confession here. I was wrong when this issue was discussed a dozen or so years ago. I remember, at that time, ridiculing the thinking of the Supreme Court that without a law banning third party advertising rich elites could take over elections and wield enormous and unfair influence.

Funny to think I could even make such a statement, and that it wasn't that long ago. The growth of third party groups in the US, backed by the wealthy elites happened so quickly! Can you believe it's only been since 2009, when the US Supreme Court made the exact opposite decision? Since then, billions have been spent by the elites to buy political influence in the US, all perfectly legally.

I don't know what's to be done about such groups in a democratic society. I mean, they are banned during elections here, but only at the federal level, and there's nothing to stop them in the run-up, as we see now. The idiots in the unions are courting more of this by spending millions in advertising. If it continues to work it will prod the wealthy to start putting real money into this which will swamp them. But then, I've actually never met a union leader who wasn't a self-serving, sanctimonious zealot. So I'm sure the union leaders don't actually mind. Such an atmosphere would only mean 'their' politicians would need to listen to them even more, would have to grant them even more favours as a defense against the opposition.

But what we need to bear in mind, is none of these groups give a rats ass about what happens to Canada or Canadians. They are wholly focused on their own personal interests, and will push them to the exclusion of all else, regardless of who or what that damages.