New HarperPAC

[On Guard for Thee]

Which is it? Am I being honest or is my description 'wild and over the top'? Can you possibly give a reason why such a policy change by the NDP would be good for Canada, as opposed to being good for the NDPs hopes of sucking up to ethnic groups?

I already stated, your description is over the top. But I think we already know your orientation on such matters, so no surprise.

[On Guard for Thee]

Not at all. I understand it completely. The NDP will increase immigration with much less scrutiny and will drastically increase numbers. That just about sums it up. Did I miss anything.

Im not sure what all you missed, however more importantly you made assumptions that a focus on family reunification also means a reduction in scrutiny. And you have no basis to support that.

[Canada_First]

Im not sure what all you missed, however more importantly you made assumptions that a focus on family reunification also means a reduction in scrutiny. And you have no basis to support that.

How is a massive influx of grandparents that will drain our health care without paying into it going to be food for Canada?

I don't care about being nice or whatever. For me it's about the money. I'd like to see evidence that reducing the professional skilled people and increasing the family status which will include a lot of seniors will help our bottom line.

[On Guard for Thee]

How is a massive influx of grandparents that will drain our health care without paying into it going to be food for Canada?

I don't care about being nice or whatever. For me it's about the money. I'd like to see evidence that reducing the professional skilled people and increasing the family status which will include a lot of seniors will help our bottom line.

Why do right wing mooks continue to make totally unsubstantiated assumptions. How the F*&k do you seem to think family reunification will result in this influx of grandparents...Immigrants in this country tend to do very well. Go to a welfare office and check the skin color of the overwhelming number of people. The get back to us before you make more stupid statements.

[Canada_First]

Why do right wing mooks continue to make totally unsubstantiated assumptions. How the F*&k do you seem to think family reunification will result in this influx of grandparents...Immigrants in this country tend to do very well. Go to a welfare office and check the skin color of the overwhelming number of people. The get back to us before you make more stupid statements.

I'll do one better. I'll take pics on my phone and post them here. How's that?

[On Guard for Thee]

I'll do one better. I'll take pics on my phone and post them here. How's that?

Sounds a bit sick, you may be breaking laws, but whatever blows your hair back.

[Canada_First]

Sounds a bit sick, you may be breaking laws, but whatever blows your hair back.

Just willing to do what most won't. I don't think anyone will stop a muscular guy with tattoo sleeves down both arms...lol. I'll simply take a seat and snap a few pics while pretending to look at my phone. I'm not going to the city for a bit though but when I do go I'll find out where the office is and take a few for you. So we can see the makeup if those waiting. No big deal.

[Bryan]

Very smart move on the part of the Conservative Party. They're not happy with HarperPAC. The party claims that HarperPAC is against the law that Conservatives wrote, banning donations from corporations and unions. How it's against that law is not at all clear.

It's actually very clear:

353. (7): A third party may not be registered under a name that, in the opinion of the Chief Electoral Officer, is likely to be confused with the name of a candidate, registered party, registered third party or eligible party.

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/E%2D2.01/page-99.html#docCont

The reason the Conservatives are not happy is the group is trying to give the impression that they are affiliated with either the Prime Minister himself, or the Conservative Party. The thing that's not necessarily clear is if that rule applies outside of the writ period.

I think Taylor and his group probably had the best intentions, but when the people you're supporting are saying "this we don't need", it sure looks like their enthusiasm might have gotten the better of them.

Either way, Taylor is shutting down HarperPAC and returning the money raised:

https://twitter.com/stephen_taylor/status/614267829391597568/photo/1

Makes me wonder if the Party had a "what are you doing?" talk with him.

[cybercoma]

That was quick. HarperPAC is being shut down. http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/06/26/controversial-harperpac-shuts-down.html

[Topaz]

They probably shut it down because the opposition parties don't have to spin the truth about how the Tories have govern the Tories. How can the Tories defend the truth. IF the Tories supporters, think it was the Liberals or the NDP who have governing the past ten years and knowing everything that has gone down.....how can they vote for the Tories??? Support the country, first.

[Keepitsimple]

HarperPAC was "up" for three days before the government shut it down - citing the rules that they themselves put in place. Good for them. Yet the Union-backed Engage Canada PAC lives on - headed by former Liberal and NDP hacks with the stated goal of making the Conservatives "unelectable". Go figure.

[cybercoma]

HarperPAC was "up" for three days before the government shut it down - citing the rules that they themselves put in place. Good for them. Yet the Union-backed Engage Canada PAC lives on - headed by former Liberal and NDP hacks with the stated goal of making the Conservatives "unelectable". Go figure.

HarperPAC will be back up under a different name. Don't you worry.

[scribblet]

HarperPAC was "up" for three days before the government shut it down - citing the rules that they themselves put in place. Good for them. Yet the Union-backed Engage Canada PAC lives on - headed by former Liberal and NDP hacks with the stated goal of making the Conservatives "unelectable". Go figure.

Hopefully they will change the name and restart, I'm surprised the people running it didn't know the rules. They are needed badly to counter the disinformation campaign by Engage Canada.

Don't expect to find out much about Engage or their second one, (not here for you) ‘cos you're not supposed to, expect them to launch two or three campaigns targeted at specific audiences and demographics Heavily financed by unions et al groups on the left, Engage will have substantial clout as they have deep pockets and IMO most people don’t fact check their claims.

Recall too when the left were complaining years ago about conservative pre-writ spending and how they wanted that controlled by E.C.

We may not want to stop people or groups from voicing an opinion but we can legislate honesty and transparency as the leftwing groups won`t put a face to anyone behind them, on their pages.

David Akin calls them All Baloney

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/06/12/new-ad-from-anti-harper-group-all-baloney

[eyeball]

I'll do one better. I'll take pics on my phone and post them here. How's that?

We're still waiting for your parade videos.

[Big Guy]

There are no "rules" for third party ads during the time before the writ is dropped. How can the party have pulled HarperPAC when it is a third party ad and therefore not controlled by the Conservative Party?

[Big Guy]

This latest Conservative Party ad attacking Trudeau has begun a backlash. The ad uses terrorist propaganda and visuals which would not be run by Canadian networks because of their terrorist value.

It is ironic that the Conservatives are seen as assisting the terrorists to instil terror into the populace by airing their propaganda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zzoyQh5c_o

Are there any mature adults in the Conservative war room who are vetting these ads before they are released?

Edited June 26, 2015 by Big Guy

[PIK]

Funny how the liberals can do it...................

Edited June 26, 2015 by PIK

[scribblet]

There are no "rules" for third party ads during the time before the writ is dropped. How can the party have pulled HarperPAC when it is a third party ad and therefore not controlled by the Conservative Party?

Exactly, they CPC had nothing to do with it, but I'm surprised that the people involved used that name. Mind you, Taylor says it is actually called ConservativePac, the Harperpac was one phase, IMO they screwed up. Either that or they really did just want to bring attention to the amount of money being spent now by EngageCanada (and it's two other groups).

Other third parties should follow HarperPAC's lead, close up shop, says Kingsley... we know they won't. Even so, should third party advertising be regulated outside the writ period, and if so how.

IMO PM Harper should drop the writ in 2 or 3 weeks but not change the election date, financing rules would then kick in.

http://www.brandonsun.com/national/breaking-news/harperpac-shutting-down-donations-to-be-returned-309981621.html?thx=y

[Keepitsimple]

This latest Conservative Party ad attacking Trudeau has begun a backlash. The ad uses terrorist propaganda and visuals which would not be run by Canadian networks because of their terrorist value.

It is ironic that the Conservatives are seen as assisting the terrorists to instil terror into the populace by airing their propaganda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zzoyQh5c_o

Are there any mature adults in the Conservative war room who are vetting these ads before they are released?

Another "truth" ad.......and there are no graphic videos - the commentary paints the picture. And facts are facts - once again, Trudeau's own words - his own "policy" is highlighted. Perhaps some people might like that policy - but an overwhelming majority of Canadians support our limited military action to join with our allies. As Mileski says..."if you're not going to use military action against ISIS - when will you use it?". Like his father, he appears to have no use for the military.

Edited June 26, 2015 by Keepitsimple

[Boges]

One could argue the turning point for JT in the polls was when he flippantly accused Harper of "Whipping out out CF-18s to see how big they are."

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/israel-middle-east/trudeau-accuses-harper-government-of-trying-to-whip-out-our-cf-18s-and-show-them-how-big-they-are-in-iraq

Political party leaders that use penis jokes when talking about military actions don't strike me as ready to lead.

[PIK]

Justin thinks they are F-15's.

[Argus]

I already stated, your description is over the top. But I think we already know your orientation on such matters, so no surprise.

Over the top how? Which word or combination of words, which you've already admitted are truthful, was 'over the top'?

Is it 'masses'? I think 350,000 a year qualifies.

Is it 'third world'? The vast majority of our immigrants come from third world countries.

Was it the 'illiterate' part? Or perhaps the 'no job skills'?

A policy change which increases numbers of immigrants while at the same time specifically turning away from ensuring they are qualified in terms of education and job skills would seem entirely worthy of those descriptions. After all, family class immigrants are not screened for language or job skills or education, and given most will be from the third world, we know that in most cases they will have a great deal of difficult obtaining meaningful work here in Canada.

I'm still waiting for you or any NDP supporter to explain how this is not bad for Canada.

[Argus]

Im not sure what all you missed, however more importantly you made assumptions that a focus on family reunification also means a reduction in scrutiny. And you have no basis to support that.

Sorry, but... huh? Why would you suggest he had no basis? Immigrants who come here under the skills program are screened for applicable education and job skills, as well as language skills. Immigrants who come here under the family reunification program are not.

[Argus]

Why do right wing mooks continue to make totally unsubstantiated assumptions. How the F*&k do you seem to think family reunification will result in this influx of grandparents...Immigrants in this country tend to do very well. Go to a welfare office and check the skin color of the overwhelming number of people. The get back to us before you make more stupid statements.

Do you want to go over the statistics again on the declining economic success of immigrants to Canada? Immigrants now do less well than Canadians and are more likely to be on welfare or unemployment.

Immigrants no longer, for the most part, come from societies with comparable educational and technical abilities. Likewise, we are no longer in a culture where people without decent educations and language skills are likely to prosper.

Edited June 26, 2015 by Argus

[Argus]

They probably shut it down because the opposition parties don't have to spin the truth about how the Tories have govern the Tories. How can the Tories defend the truth. IF the Tories supporters, think it was the Liberals or the NDP who have governing the past ten years and knowing everything that has gone down.....how can they vote for the Tories??? Support the country, first.

Hmm, taxes are lower, median family income is higher, poverty has fallen, and we never experienced the deep recession which gripped the US and is still gripping Europe.

So what is it we're supposed to hate again? Ooooh right. Harper isn't Mister Smiley Happy Cheerful like this guy http://fildebrandt.ca/2010/05/canadian-heritage-moment-chretien-chokes-a-guy/

Edited June 26, 2015 by Argus