On Guard for Thee Posted May 31, 2015 Report Posted May 31, 2015 Shoot 'em no matter what "colour" they are. That makes a lot of sense, but not surprising. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 31, 2015 Report Posted May 31, 2015 Americans shoot each other a lot more than the cops do....and for a lot of different legal and illegal reasons. Stay in Canada if you are afraid of getting shot...but watch out for those Greyhound buses !! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Freddy Posted May 31, 2015 Report Posted May 31, 2015 Ah no, that falls to the D of J in the states. Still is justice policing justice. There is a conflict of interest. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted May 31, 2015 Report Posted May 31, 2015 Still is justice policing justice. There is a conflict of interest. Nope. It is government, in the form of th D o J policing police.The main problem so far is they haven't been aggressive enough. Justice is the job of the courts. Quote
jacee Posted May 31, 2015 Report Posted May 31, 2015 Nonsense. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy. With one group, a small number of incidents doesn't amount to a threat. But with another group, an even smaller number of incidents equals a pattern of behaviour and a most serious threat. You people need to make up your minds. Police are accountable to the public. Terrorists are criminals. . Quote
Argus Posted May 31, 2015 Report Posted May 31, 2015 And somebody asserts that Muslim terrorism is a bigger problem that this too ? I's the potential that has to be guarded against. Police aren't trying to blow up buildings or smuggle nuclear material into big cities or poison water supplies. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
sharkman Posted May 31, 2015 Author Report Posted May 31, 2015 Cause you misunderstand the way I see things and have jumped to conclusions based on those assumptions you have made. I said the reality of nature is might makes right. He does that a lot. I think he does it on purpose. Quote
Freddy Posted May 31, 2015 Report Posted May 31, 2015 (edited) He does that a lot. I think he does it on purpose. I think I've been guilty of the same thing at least once. Edited May 31, 2015 by Freddy Quote
Michael Hardner Posted May 31, 2015 Report Posted May 31, 2015 I's the potential that has to be guarded against. Police aren't trying to blow up buildings or smuggle nuclear material into big cities or poison water supplies. Ok, so nobody is worried about a few "acceptable losses" of lower numbers of civilians so much ? I don't think so. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted May 31, 2015 Report Posted May 31, 2015 I said the reality of nature is might makes right. You go beyond that; you expressed an opinion that nobody should expect the system to work perfectly. That's realistic as a general understanding of systems, but not as a reaction to a failure like civilian deaths. Moreover, you stated that it wasn't incumbent on our allies to follow international rules if it wasn't to their advantage. You can either be moral, or not but you should probably decide what you are. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted May 31, 2015 Report Posted May 31, 2015 Nonsense. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy. With one group, a small number of incidents doesn't amount to a threat. But with another group, an even smaller number of incidents equals a pattern of behaviour and a most serious threat. You people need to make up your minds. They're both threats. It should really be the response that is in question. Do we need to put cameras on every police officer ? Do we need to curtail immigration ? Those are good conversations to have. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 31, 2015 Report Posted May 31, 2015 ....Do we need to put cameras on every police officer ? Do we need to curtail immigration ? Only if you put cameras on every perp. What does immigration have to do with it ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Michael Hardner Posted May 31, 2015 Report Posted May 31, 2015 What does immigration have to do with it ? Shady is asking why people show imbalance when they are discussing different types of threats: Islamic terrorism vs policing. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Freddy Posted May 31, 2015 Report Posted May 31, 2015 (edited) You can either be moral, or not but you should probably decide what you are.Like the United States I'm both, depending what better suits my situation. I think all of us are. Depending on if we think we can be held accountable for it, or not.That's why I J walk everyday, I know I can get away with it. It's also why I go no faster then 22 k/h faster then the speed limit on the highway. I know I can get away with it. I know they will not tolerate higher. Someone truly Moral would follow the laws to the letter. How many people do you see doing that? Edited May 31, 2015 by Freddy Quote
Michael Hardner Posted May 31, 2015 Report Posted May 31, 2015 Like the United States I'm both, depending what better suits my situation. Then you're not ethical, or probably moral either. Someone truly Moral would follow the laws to the letter. How many people do you see doing that? Someone who is generally moral would probably strive for moral behavior. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Freddy Posted May 31, 2015 Report Posted May 31, 2015 (edited) Then you're not ethical, or probably moral either.Someone who is generally moral would probably strive for moral behavior.How many people that are in positions of power and low accountability are ethical or moral? I'm ethical and moral all the time when I believe I'll be held accountable for it. We are all the same. People on a high horse are unethical and imoral all the time. Look at priests. Edited May 31, 2015 by Freddy Quote
Michael Hardner Posted May 31, 2015 Report Posted May 31, 2015 How many people that are in positions of power and low accountability are ethical or moral? I don't know. What's the point ? There are lots of thieves and cheats in the world too. I'm ethical and moral all the time when I believe I'll be held accountable for it. We are all the same. People on a high horse are unethical and imoral all the time. Look at priests. "I'm moral if I might get called on it". Ok then. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Freddy Posted May 31, 2015 Report Posted May 31, 2015 (edited) I don't know. What's the point ? There are lots of thieves and cheats in the world too."I'm moral if I might get called on it". Ok then.Your only fooling yourself. Jedi.If you asked me if I'm a nice person, I'd reply yes I'm extremely nice. Edited June 1, 2015 by Freddy Quote
jbg Posted June 1, 2015 Report Posted June 1, 2015 Well, from what I've seen and heard both the US and Canada are getting their police to wear cameras, which should solve a lot of problems. I'd like to think so, but they can be considered an intrusion on property rights. They can also be turned off if a bad cop wanted some "privacy". I suspect the race-baiters will wish that they hadn't urged body cameras. The Michael Browns of the world are usually obvious thugs and criminals and pretty scary people. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
On Guard for Thee Posted June 1, 2015 Report Posted June 1, 2015 Your only fooling yourself. Jedi. If you asked me if I'm a nice person, I'd reply yes I'm extremely nice. Doesn't sound like it. You are only moral apparently, when someone is looking. That is not even close to nice. Quote
Freddy Posted June 1, 2015 Report Posted June 1, 2015 Doesn't sound like it. You are only moral apparently, when someone is looking. That is not even close to nice. Nope you miss understood. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 1, 2015 Report Posted June 1, 2015 Nope you miss understood. I'm ethical and moral all the time when I believe I'll be held accountable for it. We are all the same. We are not all the same, thankfully. Quote
Freddy Posted June 1, 2015 Report Posted June 1, 2015 I'm ethical and moral all the time when I believe I'll be held accountable for it. We are all the same. We are not all the same, thankfully. Then how do you explain every politician being corrupt? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 1, 2015 Report Posted June 1, 2015 Then how do you explain every politician being corrupt? How do you support such silly assumptive claims... Quote
Michael Hardner Posted June 1, 2015 Report Posted June 1, 2015 Then how do you explain every politician being corrupt? Do you have a cite that confirms that every politician is corrupt ? Of course not, because it's not so. Systems aren't perfect, but they can't be. They rely on a basic moral code to carry 99% of the burden of keeping society functional. It's unusual for somebody to come on here and declare themselves optionally moral, especially when so much of the discussion here - and arguably the board itself - is focussed on what constitutes good civic behavior, good policy and so on. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
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