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If you say so. Western Democracy was based on separation of church and state, but if you think otherwise I'm sure there are many who agree.

I am arguing for the separation of church and state. Those who think religion deserves special protections are the ones arguing against it.

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If you say so. Western Democracy was based on separation of church and state, but if you think otherwise I'm sure there are many who agree.

How would thinking that a law that accomodates religious views to ridiculous extremes is a bad law in any way conflict with the view that the church and the state should be separate?

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I say to hell with the Orthodox religious nut jobs.... women before wacko ideas about sitting next to women.

This.

Fundamentalist wackjobs need to take their inferior ideas and sit the eff down or walk. Their choice. I'm tired of accommodating nonsense.

"All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain

Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.

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Don't get me wrong, that's what I'd like to do, but I'm anti-confrontational in nature when dealing with other people in person. Furthermore, that might be downright dangerous. If someone is so brainwashed with religious mumbo jumbo that they can't bear to sit next to me, hearing my voice in reply might just set them off in a murderous rage. People who seriously hold such ideas have such a twisted version of morality and such an alien pattern of thinking that predicting what will set them off is impossible. They are dangerous creatures to be avoided. I'd rather not take the risk.

It's simple, You, & I have similarities in ideology but one major difference that changes the way we behave. I no longer fear death, as you obviously still do. I embrace and welcome the day it will arrive, and if I can take a few religious nut jobs while I'm at it at the same time. Even better. Edited by Freddy
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It's simple, You, & I have similarities in ideology but one major difference that changes the way we behave. I no longer fear death, as you obviously still do. I embrace and welcome the day it will arrive

Yes, of course I fear death, and proud of it too.

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I fear death on odd days of the week, and welcome it on even days. I'm kind of wishy washy...

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How would thinking that a law that accomodates religious views to ridiculous extremes is a bad law in any way conflict with the view that the church and the state should be separate?

We're not talking about a law - it's about a private business choosing to accommodate someone.

Accommodating religion also means exempting them from some Canadian laws.

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How would thinking that a law that accomodates religious views to ridiculous extremes is a bad law in any way conflict with the view that the church and the state should be separate?

The law allows for sexism as part of religious expression. That way, the law is kept away from matters of religion. If you require, for example, the Catholic church to hire women priests, then you're bringing the state in.

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We're not talking about a law - it's about a private business choosing to accommodate someone.

Accommodating religion also means exempting them from some Canadian laws.

If you go back a bit, you'll see we were talking about a law. You started it, in fact.

You may think that way but the law disagrees with you.

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The law allows for sexism as part of religious expression. That way, the law is kept away from matters of religion. If you require, for example, the Catholic church to hire women priests, then you're bringing the state in.

I see.

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If you go back a bit, you'll see we were talking about a law. You started it, in fact.

Yes, we did slip into talking about the law, generally. You're right. But there's no law forcing the airline to accommodate, nor do I feel there should be.

However, if the airline wants to do it - why not ?

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I've worked myself to the bones supporting my family. Death is welcome, finally my pains will go away .

So ... are you going to take a whole plane load of people down with you?

Or just the wackos?

How will you manage that?

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The law allows for sexism as part of religious expression. That way, the law is kept away from matters of religion. If you require, for example, the Catholic church to hire women priests, then you're bringing the state in.

Ya well my anti-religion doesn't allow a priest to sit next to me. :)

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Yes, we did slip into talking about the law, generally. You're right. But there's no law forcing the airline to accommodate, nor do I feel there should be.

However, if the airline wants to do it - why not ?

Yes, I'm sure they can. The OP and my (and other) agreement was more that they shouldn't, and they should probably take great delight in not doing so as well.

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We've got one thread where the guys acting obnoxious are being sexist and now one thread where the men don't want to inadvertently touch a woman and they're sexist too.

The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan


I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah


Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball


Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball


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I suppose the two are not mutually exclusive.

There's nothing wrong with not touching something your religion says you are not to touch. Could help prevent blindness.

Just don't make someone move to avoid it. Take responsibility. Catch another flight. Convert to Buddhism. There are options.

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I wouldn't allow my wife or daughter to be moved over this issue. If the Jews want to sit with men, then that should be arranged before people are already seated.

My only objection, is people misrepresenting the reasons why they do it.

The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan


I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah


Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball


Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball


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We're not talking about a law - it's about a private business choosing to accommodate someone.

Accommodating religion also means exempting them from some Canadian laws.

It doesn't give them the right to be a bigot. Religious freedom ends as soon as it impacts someone else's.

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