Hudson Jones Posted March 31, 2015 Report Posted March 31, 2015 For the first time in modern history, negotiations are taking place in which world powers are addressing Iran at eye level - as equals. Khamenei, who has the final say in all matters is on board and has given his blessing to negotiations which has quashed the naysayers in Iran. Netanyahu`s yes-men in U.S. Congress and Senate have done what they could to derail the negotiations in favour of war. Another war that the ultra-right wing Zionists in Israel and the Neo-cons want U.S. to fight on behalf of Israel. However, their efforts have not gone anywhere as evident by the ongoing negotiations and the overwhelmingly majority of Americans who are in favour of a peaceful deal. The entire world wants a nuclear deal. Opposition is limited to Israel, GOP, Saudi and some Iranian hawks. It`s time to break away from the destructive and toxic relationship between the West and Iran that has been led by the stubborn, warmongering extremists and it`s time for the historic deal and for the relationship to heal. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 31, 2015 Report Posted March 31, 2015 The "world" is a big place and includes a lot more nations than that...you do not speak for any of them. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Hudson Jones Posted March 31, 2015 Author Report Posted March 31, 2015 The "world" is a big place and includes a lot more nations than that...you do not speak for any of them. What part of the world does not? Generally speaking, the majority of the world wants a peace deal. Kind of like how the majority of the world wants a Palestinian State. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Shady Posted March 31, 2015 Report Posted March 31, 2015 Add pretty much all of the Sunni countries in the no column. Unless it was a legitimate deal Iran lived up to. But they're aleady backing away from previously agreed to points. Like having much of the nuclear material shipped and stored in Russia. Quote
Shady Posted March 31, 2015 Report Posted March 31, 2015 What part of the world does not? Generally speaking, the majority of the world wants a peace deal. Kind of like how the majority of the world wants a Palestinian State. I don't know what you mean by peace deal. There is no war with Iran. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 31, 2015 Report Posted March 31, 2015 "Generally speaking" does not a deal and verified compliance make. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Hudson Jones Posted March 31, 2015 Author Report Posted March 31, 2015 "Generally speaking" does not a deal and verified compliance make. Sorry Dick. Majority of the world are in favour of a peaceful end to this. Not more wars. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Hudson Jones Posted March 31, 2015 Author Report Posted March 31, 2015 John Boehner visiting Israel to find out what his foreign policy will be. House Speaker John Boehner is leading a delegation of congressional Republicans to the Middle East this week amid intense international and American partisan debate over a pending nuclear deal with Iran. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 31, 2015 Report Posted March 31, 2015 Sorry Dick. Majority of the world are in favour of a peaceful end to this. Not more wars. The majority of the world has no say in the matter. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Hudson Jones Posted March 31, 2015 Author Report Posted March 31, 2015 The majority of the world has no say in the matter. I never said the majority of the world will make a decision on the deal. I said majority of the world wants peaceful negotiations, rather than a war. Why are you always on the side of war and destruction? Are you playing off your username? Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 1, 2015 Report Posted April 1, 2015 I never said the majority of the world will make a decision on the deal. I said majority of the world wants peaceful negotiations, rather than a war. Why are you always on the side of war and destruction? Are you playing off your username? I just reflect the reality that you don't want to deal with. There will always be war. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted April 1, 2015 Report Posted April 1, 2015 So long as we maintain that sort of brain dead thinking, there certainly will be. Quote
Big Guy Posted April 1, 2015 Report Posted April 1, 2015 (edited) If there is no peace deal than Iran will accelerate her production of a nuclear weapon - what would she have to lose? This would mean the only thing left is force. If we go after Iran is Russia going to sit there and watch their ally go down? What about China, will she just sit back? And Egypt and Saudi Arabia going to stay out when the bombs start flying? Israel could not stay out of this one. I wonder how it would like to see guided missiles inbound to Jerusalem. The only alternative to peace is war. A major war. I believe that we will see a tentative settlement with sanctions being slowly lifted. # Note - There is also a good chance that if there is no deal that the association of countries applying sanctions will disintegrate. They will peel off until only the USA and Canada are left - just like in Syria. Edited April 1, 2015 by Big Guy Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Shady Posted April 1, 2015 Report Posted April 1, 2015 So long as we maintain that sort of brain dead thinking, there certainly will be.The brain dead thinking comes from the Supreme Leader and the mullahs in Iran. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted April 1, 2015 Report Posted April 1, 2015 The brain dead thinking comes from the Supreme Leader and the mullahs in Iran. Apparently from some Merikuns as well. Quote
sharkman Posted April 1, 2015 Report Posted April 1, 2015 (edited) If there is no peace deal than Iran will accelerate her production of a nuclear weapon - what would she have to lose? This would mean the only thing left is force. If we go after Iran is Russia going to sit there and watch their ally go down? What about China, will she just sit back? And Egypt and Saudi Arabia going to stay out when the bombs start flying? You are showing an ignorance of history. North Korea was pursued to sign a nuclear deal, and they made the US pay dearly to get their signature. Then they completely ignored the piece of paper that they had signed. You ask what China or Russia will do, but assume that Iran will follow a treaty with the hated West? When the hated West attacked Iraq twice, China and Russia immediately attacked, levelling 14 cities in the West. Oh wait, that never happened. You are bringing up stawmen because there is little else, I suppose. When Israel bombed Iraq's nuke sites, nobody attacked anybody. Now that Iran is getting nukes(I think only Obama is stupid enough to keep repeating it's for energy use only) the balance of power among arab nations is changing. Do you think that Iran will EVER menace or threaten Israel once they get nukes? Play out to us just what you think will occur. Edited April 1, 2015 by sharkman Quote
marcus Posted April 1, 2015 Report Posted April 1, 2015 You are showing an ignorance of history. North Korea was pursued to sign a nuclear deal, and they made the US pay dearly to get their signature. Then they completely ignored the piece of paper that they had signed. You ask what China or Russia will do, but assume that Iran will follow a treaty with the hated West? North Korea is not Iran. When the hated West attacked Iraq twice, China and Russia immediately attacked, levelling 14 cities in the West. Oh wait, that never happened. You are bringing up stawmen because there is little else, I suppose. When Israel bombed Iraq's nuke sites, nobody attacked anybody. Iraq is not Iran. Now that Iran is getting nukes(I think only Obama is stupid enough to keep repeating it's for energy use only) the balance of power among arab nations is changing. Do you think that Iran will EVER menace or threaten Israel once they get nukes? Play out to us just what you think will occur. Iran is not an Arab nation. It's time for Pakistan, which is heavily backed by Saudi Arabia and Israel to be treated the same as others. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
overthere Posted April 1, 2015 Report Posted April 1, 2015 The USA wants this deal a lot more than Iran does, and Iran knows it. That is why it has dragged on for what- a decade now? By 'USA' I mean Obama. Tis deal was on his list of things to be done when he became Prez in 2008, and his legacy is pretty thin......... It's all meaningless. Iran is the big dog in that neighbourhood and is not the least reluctant to push their interests very hard indeed. They'll be fully weaponized in a few years. Or less. The Saudis and Israelis should both be crapping their pants, the US has effectively served notice that they are not interested in forcing Iran into anything. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Moonlight Graham Posted April 1, 2015 Report Posted April 1, 2015 Israel wants the US to do their dirty work, which is to attack and weaken their #1 power threat and enemy in the region. Israel got the US to take out Saddam with hardly any Israel military involvement. Saudi Arabia I'm sure would like a US-led attack on Iran, along with many other Sunni countries in the region. The fact is, Iran and the US have many shared interests. Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, and ISIS are Sunni extremist groups, and Iran is Shia country, which means both the US and Iran are enemies of these and other sunni extremist groups and have a natural interest to work together to fight them. Saudis are enemies of Iran as is Israel, therefore the US and the West basically have to choose sides. US-Israel relations are at the lowest in a long time, largely because Obama is tired of being treated like crap by Netanyahu & Israel because Obama doesn't support things like continued settlement building and a war with Iran (Israeli pet projects). A small warming in US-Iran relations has correlated with a weakening in US-Israel relations. It's all a a big damn power game in the ME. I don't think Israel and the US believe Iran would use nukes on Israel as some kind of unprovoked nuclear holocaust of Israelis, I think US/Israel preventing Iran from getting nukes is simply an attempt to prevent Iran from increasing its power in the region relative to themselves (and Saudi Arabia) and retaining nuclear hegemony and overall power superioity in the region while also retaining the opportunity for US/Israel in the future to attack and/or invade Iran like the US has with most other Islamic states in the ME that go against US/Western interests. The joke is, Canada is now naively allowing itself to get dragged increasingly into this mess in the ME. It was smart enough to stay out of Iraq in 2003. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
WWWTT Posted April 2, 2015 Report Posted April 2, 2015 If there is no peace deal than Iran will accelerate her production of a nuclear weapon - what would she have to lose? This would mean the only thing left is force. If we go after Iran is Russia going to sit there and watch their ally go down? What about China, will she just sit back? And Egypt and Saudi Arabia going to stay out when the bombs start flying? Israel could not stay out of this one. I wonder how it would like to see guided missiles inbound to Jerusalem. The only alternative to peace is war. A major war. I believe that we will see a tentative settlement with sanctions being slowly lifted. # Note - There is also a good chance that if there is no deal that the association of countries applying sanctions will disintegrate. They will peel off until only the USA and Canada are left - just like in Syria. Talk of war with Iran is only to create instability in the oil market or panic intended to drive up the cost of barrel. The #3 and #1 world economies, India and China give a ratt's ass about what the weaker #2 economy cries about. http://oilprice.com/Geopolitics/Middle-East/India-and-China-Ignore-US-Sanctions-Against-Iran.html I'd like to see the Israel chiken#@$@^%@$'s try to pick a fight with Iran! Obviously as we see the US start to suck up to Iran admitting they are now dropped a couple notches on the pole, expect the propaganda crap grinder from US media to go full swing! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted April 2, 2015 Report Posted April 2, 2015 When the hated West attacked Iraq twice, China and Russia immediately attacked, levelling 14 cities in the West. Oh wait, that never happened. You are bringing up stawmen because there is little else, I suppose. When Israel bombed Iraq's nuke sites, nobody attacked anybody. Saddam was a US puppet. US is still paying for the Iraq war. What makes you think the Chinese are stupid enough to get involved? Not just that, China is a US ally. And Iraq was 12 years ago. A lot has changed in 12 years my friend. The US is starting to get real old and tired of their middle east sand box wars. The writting's on the wall WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
sharkman Posted April 2, 2015 Report Posted April 2, 2015 (edited) Israel wants the US to do their dirty work, which is to attack and weaken their #1 power threat and enemy in the region. Israel got the US to take out Saddam with hardly any Israel military involvement. Saudi Arabia I'm sure would like a US-led attack on Iran, along with many other Sunni countries in the region. The fact is, Iran and the US have many shared interests. Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, and ISIS are Sunni extremist groups, and Iran is Shia country, which means both the US and Iran are enemies of these and other sunni extremist groups and have a natural interest to work together to fight them. Saudis are enemies of Iran as is Israel, therefore the US and the West basically have to choose sides. US-Israel relations are at the lowest in a long time, largely because Obama is tired of being treated like crap by Netanyahu & Israel because Obama doesn't support things like continued settlement building and a war with Iran (Israeli pet projects). A small warming in US-Iran relations has correlated with a weakening in US-Israel relations. It's all a a big damn power game in the ME. I don't think Israel and the US believe Iran would use nukes on Israel as some kind of unprovoked nuclear holocaust of Israelis, I think US/Israel preventing Iran from getting nukes is simply an attempt to prevent Iran from increasing its power in the region relative to themselves (and Saudi Arabia) and retaining nuclear hegemony and overall power superioity in the region while also retaining the opportunity for US/Israel in the future to attack and/or invade Iran like the US has with most other Islamic states in the ME that go against US/Western interests. The joke is, Canada is now naively allowing itself to get dragged increasingly into this mess in the ME. It was smart enough to stay out of Iraq in 2003. Israel wants the US to do their dirty work, and Iran is getting the US to do THEIR dirty work. Somehow I'd like to think that there would be a middle ground of no dirty work and no nuclear treaty. But Obama has been actively courting/chasing Iran. Now, what do you think Obama's goals are here? Giving a nation nukes kind of seems pretty dumb. Your second paragraph is astounding, but at the end of the day we can guess and assume WRT the ME all day long, but that's all it is, guesses and assumptions. History is what we can learn from if we choose. Giving a huge sudden advantage to any of the 6 or 7 sides in the ME will be a game changer in ways we will not see coming. Translation: more dead than there would have been otherwise. But who cares, eh? It's only Arabs and Jews, as long as the fat lazy Canadians can get their internet, cable and fast food, we don't care. Then when gas is $10 bucks a litre we'll scream, but it'll be too late to do anything about it. Edited April 2, 2015 by sharkman Quote
sharkman Posted April 2, 2015 Report Posted April 2, 2015 Saddam was a US puppet. US is still paying for the Iraq war. What makes you think the Chinese are stupid enough to get involved? Not just that, China is a US ally. And Iraq was 12 years ago. A lot has changed in 12 years my friend. The US is starting to get real old and tired of their middle east sand box wars. The writting's on the wall WWWTT Uh, that's what I was saying. China would not get involved. Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted April 2, 2015 Report Posted April 2, 2015 Israel wants the US to do their dirty work, and Iran is getting the US to do THEIR dirty work. Somehow I'd like to think that there would be a middle ground of no dirty work and no nuclear treaty. But Obama has been actively courting/chasing Iran. Now, what do you think Obama's goals are here? Giving a nation nukes kind of seems pretty dumb. Obama isn't trying to give Iran nuclear weapons, he's trying to prevent them getting nukes without going to war with Iran if at all possible, and even though I'm sure he doesn't trust the Iranians, he's got to at least give it a shot. The alternative is getting into another big war in the middle-east and possibly inflaming most of the region into warfare (nobody can predict Iran's reaction to US/Israeli strikes on its territory/people)...and I'm sure Obama doesn't want this kind of war to be his legacy, like Iraq was W. Bush's legacy. Best case scenario is that the sanctions (not to mention threats of war) have been working, and they've hurt Iran enough to be truly ready to make concessions on limiting its nuclear ambitions...for now Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
WWWTT Posted April 2, 2015 Report Posted April 2, 2015 Best case scenario is that the sanctions (not to mention threats of war) have been working, and they've hurt Iran enough to be truly ready to make concessions on limiting its nuclear ambitions...for now One of three things going on here in this comment or a combination of. 1. You are ignorant of world economies. And that they continue to trade with Iran 2. You are ignorant of world geography, and how it relates to economic power. 3. You are ignorant of the fact that the Iranian economy is actually growing. 4. You are ignorant of the fact that the US is opening talks with Iran, not the other way around. But you keep believing whatever you want to believe. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
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