Rue Posted March 22, 2015 Report Posted March 22, 2015 On Guard that article like so many others from Guardian was shown to be absolutely and utterly false by of all people Hamas. Then again if you want to pretend Hamas recognizes Israel and is not at war with it, please why let facts get in the way. Quote
Bob Macadoo Posted March 22, 2015 Report Posted March 22, 2015 Big mouth bass, Bob. You mean big mouthed bass. Nawwww....Shady ain't big mouthed.....not nice of you to say. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted March 22, 2015 Report Posted March 22, 2015 Yes, we can't really insult people for having strong opinions on here, can we ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
jbg Posted March 23, 2015 Report Posted March 23, 2015 So is Netenyahu for a Palestinian state or is he not for a Palestinian state? He is for a Palestinian state that is non-belligerant, not armed and that recognizes Israel as a Jewish state. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jacee Posted March 23, 2015 Report Posted March 23, 2015 He is for a Palestinian state that is non-belligerant, not armed and that recognizes Israel as a Jewish state. Palestine will always have the right to arm and defend itself. Israel can be whatever kind of state it wants. There are those in Canada who would like to have it declared a 'white' state and minimize immigration of 'brown' people, or a Christian state and limit immigration of non-Christians. I'm not in favour of such limitations myself. Nor am I in favour of maintaining a 'second class' of citizens. . Quote
jbg Posted March 23, 2015 Report Posted March 23, 2015 Palestine will always have the right to arm and defend itself.. Sounds good but that's facile. Palestine's predecessors repeatedly warred on Israel. Is Israel really going to commit suicide by allowing the creation of an independent nation that will inevitably butcher its citizens? That is not a serious argument. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jacee Posted March 23, 2015 Report Posted March 23, 2015 (edited) Sounds good but that's facile. Palestine's predecessors repeatedly warred on Israel. Is Israel really going to commit suicide by allowing the creation of an independent nation that will inevitably butcher its citizens? That is not a serious argument. "allowing"? A state is a state. . Edited March 23, 2015 by jacee Quote
Rue Posted March 24, 2015 Report Posted March 24, 2015 (edited) Strong opinions. Yes I am still refusing chemotherapy for my Zionist cancer Mr.Harder. That said the actual point was that On Guard For Thee (but clearly not Israel) came on this board and advanced the position Hamas is not in a state of belligerency with Israel and I when I pointed out this was not true I was told to look up the Giant's underwear at his bean stock. Indeed. The point is On Guard needs to get out and about a bit. Maybe call the leader of Hamas and clarify his actual position. Maybe you can verse him on Hamas' current position. Getting back to Jacee's favourite refrain, you might want to explain to her that the operative word is "recognize' not "allow" and that is what JBG meant in the context he used it. Just as Hamas and the Palestinian Authority have stated they will never recognize a Jewish state, Netanyahu has said in reverse which is far from a new position, as long as that is there position, and as long as their constitutions remain in a declared state of denial and war with Israel, which they are, nothing changes ,because Israel can not recognize Hamas or the PA whose position is they will not recognize Israel. You might want to tell Jacee and Barry Obama because they both seem stuck on that point, that its idiotic to expect Israel to recognize someone that does not recognize it which is what Jacee and Barry have asked for. It's sort of like oh say you or Jacee stomping your feet and demanding I buy you a car. Not going to happen. I have seen how you both drive. Edited March 24, 2015 by Rue Quote
Michael Hardner Posted March 24, 2015 Report Posted March 24, 2015 Strong opinions. Yes I am still refusing chemotherapy for my Zionist cancer Mr.Harder. Is this me ? I haven't really been on this thread except to facilitate. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Rue Posted March 24, 2015 Report Posted March 24, 2015 I am sorry Mr.H I am having a hard time knowing when you facilitate or are making an editorial comment. I thought you were being sarcastic. Quote
jacee Posted March 24, 2015 Report Posted March 24, 2015 Getting back to Jacee's favourite refrain, you might want to explain to her that the operative word is "recognize' not "allow" and that is what JBG meant in the context he used it. Just as Hamas and the Palestinian Authority have stated they will never recognize a Jewish state, Netanyahu has said in reverse which is far from a new position, as long as that is there position, and as long as their constitutions remain in a declared state of denial and war with Israel, which they are, nothing changes ,because Israel can not recognize Hamas or the PA whose position is they will not recognize Israel. You might want to tell Jacee and Barry Obama because they both seem stuck on that point, that its idiotic to expect Israel to recognize someone that does not recognize it which is what Jacee and Barry have asked for. It's sort of like oh say you or Jacee stomping your feet and demanding I buy you a car. Not going to happen. I have seen how you both drive. Nobody's demanding that Israel buy Palestine a state. That's not Israel's to give or deny. Likewise, the state of Israel exists. . Quote
Big Guy Posted March 24, 2015 Author Report Posted March 24, 2015 Netanyahu is playing a very dangerous game. Just before the election he declared a promise of no Palestinian State while he was in power and scared the Israeli voters warning them that "Arabs are voting in droves". He has now conveniently said that he did not say what he said and apologized to the Israeli Arabs. Well, if Israeli voters do not see him as the liar of convenience that he has proven himself to be then that is their problem. It is one thing to lie to get elected and another to spy on an ally and then take active participation to undermine American policy. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/03/report-israel-spied-iran-nuclear-talks-150324071420354.html Israel has spied on US negotiations over Iran's nuclear programme and fed the obtained intelligence to Republican Congress members in order to undermine support for the talks, the Wall Street Journal reported. I suggest that the American people should review their association with Israel with the goal to cut them loose and separate the Americans from the Israeli back stabbing policies. When will the West start to look away from Israel and towards Iran for Middle East stability? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
marcus Posted March 24, 2015 Report Posted March 24, 2015 Israel has spied on US negotiations over Iran's nuclear programme and fed the obtained intelligence to Republican Congress members in order to undermine support for the talks, the Wall Street Journal reported. Israel has been spying on U.S. for a long time. Most already know this. The real news, which will not get much airtime or acknowledgement is how much of the so-called "intelligence" the Israelis shared with these willingly gullible republicans was Hasbara manufactured counterintelligence, ie lies, to manipulate the Republicans' intransigence against Obama and his Iran nuclear negotiations. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 24, 2015 Report Posted March 24, 2015 Yawn...Canadian lobbyists have been doing the same for years, trying to get Keystone XL approved..."against Obama". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
marcus Posted March 24, 2015 Report Posted March 24, 2015 Yawn...Canadian lobbyists have been doing the same for years, trying to get Keystone XL approved..."against Obama". No. It's not the same. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 24, 2015 Report Posted March 24, 2015 No. It's not the same. Oh sure it's not....Canada would never spend millions of media dollars trying to buy billboard space on D.C. Metro trains and stations...never ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Hudson Jones Posted March 24, 2015 Report Posted March 24, 2015 Oh sure it's not....Canada would never spend millions of media dollars trying to buy billboard space on D.C. Metro trains and stations...never ! Not the same Bush Cheney. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 24, 2015 Report Posted March 24, 2015 Not the same Bush Cheney. Of course not.....one standard for Canada...quite another for Jews/Israelis. And so it goes.... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Shady Posted March 24, 2015 Report Posted March 24, 2015 Look up, not waay up, just up, and Ill call Rusty. Have you linked to Hamas recognizing Israel? Did they change their charter too? That's big news you're reporting. Quote
Hudson Jones Posted March 24, 2015 Report Posted March 24, 2015 Of course not.....one standard for Canada...quite another for Jews/Israelis. And so it goes.... Just because the Canadian oil companies/government are lobbying the U.S., it doesn't mean that they are spying on U.S. and then feeding misinformation to the GOP in order to derail a peace process and start a war. No Bush Cheney. It's not the same. You need to make a better effort in not making ridiculous comparisons. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
jbg Posted March 25, 2015 Report Posted March 25, 2015 "allowing"? A state is a state. . You aren't serious. Why should Israel even tolerate the birthing of a state out to obliterate it? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 25, 2015 Report Posted March 25, 2015 Just because the Canadian oil companies/government are lobbying the U.S., it doesn't mean that they are spying on U.S. and then feeding misinformation to the GOP .... Canada's government and oil interests have been spying and feeding misinformation to influence American policy as well. Welcome to the club. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
LemonPureLeaf Posted March 25, 2015 Report Posted March 25, 2015 I find it funny how so many here were so sure that Netenyahu would lose. He ends up winning...lol. Hilarious. Quote
marcus Posted March 25, 2015 Report Posted March 25, 2015 You aren't serious. Why should Israel even tolerate the birthing of a state out to obliterate it? It's not for Israel to decide whether Palestinians deserve a state. It is obvious that they will come up with eternal list of excuses (see above) not to support a real and just Palestinian State. If they don't want to participate in the formation, then so be it. They will be side-stepped and forced into accepting it. Apartheid South Africa fought tooth and nail until the world overpowered them into submission. The BDS movement is strong and no amount of politician buying and misinformation will stop it. It's only a matter of time. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
marcus Posted March 25, 2015 Report Posted March 25, 2015 I find it funny how so many here were so sure that Netenyahu would lose. He ends up winning...lol. Hilarious. I think it's a good thing. It will only expedite the process of a Palestinian State being formed. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
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