On Guard for Thee Posted March 1, 2015 Report Posted March 1, 2015 It says they can't violate the Charter... As has been pointed out here repeatedly, it very likely already does, which is why it will likely run afoul at the SC level. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 1, 2015 Report Posted March 1, 2015 Well, the fact YOU dismissed it, doesn't mean there isn't a strong point there. Perhaps you dont care about at least a level of privacy. Ill venture a guess that puts you in a minority among Canadians. Quote
GostHacked Posted March 1, 2015 Report Posted March 1, 2015 I regularly exceed the speed limit... A law is a law, why do you decide to break laws? Quote
PrimeNumber Posted March 1, 2015 Report Posted March 1, 2015 What rights are being eliminated? Read the thread. There are 46 pages worth of information regarding your question. Quote “Be like water making its way through cracks. Do not be assertive, but adjust to the object, and you shall find your way around or through it. If nothing within you stays rigid, outward things will disclose themselves. Empty your mind, be formless. Shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle. You put it into a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now, water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.”― Bruce Lee
On Guard for Thee Posted March 1, 2015 Report Posted March 1, 2015 Read the thread. There are 46 pages worth of information regarding your question. Good advice, but I wouldnt hold my breath. Quote
eyeball Posted March 1, 2015 Report Posted March 1, 2015 They're are a hundred Canadian law professors who all say the bill is dangerous. https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1678018-open-letter-on-bill-c-51.html As with climate science, when vast numbers of experts speak I tend to give what they have to say my attention. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
On Guard for Thee Posted March 1, 2015 Report Posted March 1, 2015 You could easily end up with judges issuing warrants which in effect contravene the Charter. Kinda turns that whole judicial oversight idea on its head. Quote
guyser Posted March 1, 2015 Report Posted March 1, 2015 Wrong they can't ask questions until you get a lawyer.So the Cops pull you over, walk up to your car.....and stand there mute becuase, according to you, 'they can't ask questions until you get a lawyer.' Um....yikes.... It goes like this Officer blah blah Person.. Am I being detained Officer you are being detained for xyz reason You have the right to council if you can't afford council we will provide a number and let you obtain duty council .. Would you like to contact council If yes... Cop cannot lawfully ask any questions After person speaks with council cop can ask but person has no requirement to say anything. After saying I do not wish to respond to any questioning, kindly release me. If the cop dosent they are being an a.h. Any cop can do that without a lengthy detention. you can't hold them just to hold them only to prevent a crime, and form that you need to have evidence of a from, investigative detention is for questioning, 7 days of questioning is nonsense. Who knows what you are writing here. Quote
jacee Posted March 5, 2015 Report Posted March 5, 2015 (edited) Bill C-51: Breaking down both sides of a most terrifying debate Macleans has done a good analysis of Bill C51. Essentially the discussion is that -CSIS needs better tools to do earlier intervention in radicalization such as talking to parents, etc -BUT ... Does Bill C51 provide too much leeway in the 'toolbox'? ... go to far, too broad, allowing for abuse of Charter rights? Former CSIS officer: So this is a paradigm shift to where the toolbox is going to be pretty, pretty full. In fact, its going to be amply filled in for the practitioner group and, back to Craigs particular worry, and I think its a legitimate one: How do we know theyre going to grab the right tool, and how do we know theyre going to use it appropriately? Right now, all I can suggest is that there are certain levels of review. Theyre far from perfect, and I think we need to bolster that, and bolster the oversight to make up for that gap. Makes sense to me. But such oversight is not in the Bill. So is Harper going to make the necessary amendments? . Edited March 5, 2015 by jacee Quote
Big Guy Posted March 5, 2015 Report Posted March 5, 2015 Maybe we need an anti-moose bill: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/03/03/anti-terror-ad-leadnow_n_6792244.html This ant-terror stuff is getting ridiculous. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Black Dog Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 Canada's Privacy Commissioner has a dim view of C-51. In my view, Bill C-51, in its current form, would fail to provide Canadians with what they want and expect: legislation that protects both their safety and their privacy. As proposed, it does not strike the right balance.The scale of information-sharing between government departments and agencies proposed in this bill is unprecedented. The new powers that would be created are excessive and the privacy safeguards proposed are seriously deficient.All Canadians – not just terrorism suspects – will be caught in this web. Bill C-51 opens the door to collecting, analyzing and potentially keeping forever the personal information of all Canadians in order to find the virtual needle in the haystack. To my mind, that goes too far. Another key 'graf: This is really about big data, which relies on massive amounts of information that can be analyzed algorithmically to spot trends, predict behaviours and make connections. The implications for privacy are serious – especially when we are talking about the highly sensitive information Canadians entrust to their government. But you know, can't have a long form census because privacy. Quote
eyeball Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 Most Canadians would agree that terrorism represents a growing threat and that we must respond with appropriate national security measures when new threats arise. But at what cost?How about we give up a few sacred cows, like our alliances with the Coalition's and Empires causing people to hate us? We need to respond with a new foreign policy. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
PIK Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 (edited) So the tape has been released that shows, that the government was right on his motives. And trudeau, mulcair Ms May and the MSM need top apologize to the people of Canada and to the government. He was clearly on a mission. If someone can put up a link for me. Edited March 6, 2015 by PIK Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
eyeball Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 So he actually says, specifically, I hate your freedoms and I want to spread my ideology of hate? Or more likely, is this just going to be another pathetic example of the growing problem with comprehension that far to many right-wingers display these days to believed? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Black Dog Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 So the tape has been released that shows, that the government was right on his motives. Odd, I don't recall Harper et al saying he was motivated by revenge for Canada's foreign policy entanglements. And yet... "To those who are involved and listen to this movie, this is in retaliation for Afghanistan and because Harper wants to send his troops to Iraq." ... "Canada officially became one of our enemies by fighting and bombing us and creating a lot of terror in our countries and killing us and killing our innocents. So, just aiming to hit some soldiers just to show you that you're not even safe in your own land, and you gotta be careful." Quote
Big Guy Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 "Terrorist" tape; http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?playlistId=1.2267378 # Minus 18 seconds censored out. WHY? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
PIK Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 No matter how you spin it, he is a terrorist. And as the Paulson said , if taken alive he would have been charged with terrorism. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Big Guy Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 Transcript of the video can be found at: http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/transcript-of-michael-zehaf-bibeaus-final-message Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
jbg Posted March 7, 2015 Report Posted March 7, 2015 Maybe we need an anti-moose bill: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/03/03/anti-terror-ad-leadnow_n_6792244.html This ant-terror stuff is getting ridiculous. I want a bill regulating vicious Golden Retrievers. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jacee Posted March 7, 2015 Report Posted March 7, 2015 Odd, I don't recall Harper et al saying he was motivated by revenge for Canada's foreign policy entanglements. And yet... Well ... Harper said freedom ... I guess he meant the freedom to plunder resources overseas. . Quote
LemonPureLeaf Posted March 7, 2015 Report Posted March 7, 2015 God Bless you PM Harper. Its about time we had a leader who was strong enough to make the hard choices as a leader. We need him to continue to make the choices that will enable us to be free. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 7, 2015 Report Posted March 7, 2015 God Bless you PM Harper. Its about time we had a leader who was strong enough to make the hard choices as a leader. We need him to continue to make the choices that will enable us to be free. As he continues to erode our freedoms. Quite a conundrum for you I would guess. Oh yeah, you dont care about freedom, just those jihadis hanging from every tree. Quote
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