jbg Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 (edited) Here we go again, and I don't expect much better from the West. Another day, another jihad murder (link to article). A gunman opened fire Saturday on a Copenhagen cultural center, killing one man in what authorities called a terror attack against a free speech event featuring an artist who had caricatured the Prophet Muhammad. The shooting, which also wounded three police officers, came a month after extremists killed 12 people at a satirical newspaper in Paris that had sparked Muslim outrage with its depictions of Muhammad. ******************** Lars Vilks, a Swedish artist who has faced numerous death threats for caricaturing the Prophet Muhammad, was one of the main speakers at Saturday's panel discussion, titled "Art, blasphemy and freedom of expression." He was whisked away by his bodyguards unharmed as the shooting began. William Safire, on December 11, 1980 said it perfectly except that time the context was Poland. Yesterday France, now Denmark. Safire said (link): "The last time anybody invaded Poland, a World War began. This time, the West is direly warning the Soviet Union that any movement of Soviet forces across the Polish border would be met with coordinated cries of anguish and nicely orchestrated hand-wringing." We are making a mistake by focusing on bringing justice to individual wrongdoers. The problem is "no go" zones in European cities and the spread of hate by imams. We must target such mosques in both the West and the Muslim world. What they are preaching is incitement and war. Also see related status (link). Edited February 15, 2015 by jbg Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Big Guy Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 "We are making a mistake by focusing on bringing justice to individual wrongdoers. The problem is "no go" zones in European cities and the spread of hate by imams. We must target such mosques in both the West and the Muslim world. What they are preaching is incitement and war." Thank you for finally stating your honest views. For a while I was trying to understand why you were leaning towards one direction and then another direction based on what I thought was an attempt to look at the issues in a rational manner. This last statement of yours is revealing and sickening to me. Target the Holy Houses of Muslims. Would you spray paint the Star of David on them - like the Swastika that was painted on Synagogues a few years ago? I find your attitude disgusting - and unfortunately revealing. But I will defend your right to say it. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
WestCoastRunner Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 We are making a mistake by focusing on bringing justice to individual wrongdoers. Um, I thought that this is what seeking justice is all about. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Guest Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 (edited) "We are making a mistake by focusing on bringing justice to individual wrongdoers. The problem is "no go" zones in European cities and the spread of hate by imams. We must target such mosques in both the West and the Muslim world. What they are preaching is incitement and war." Thank you for finally stating your honest views. For a while I was trying to understand why you were leaning towards one direction and then another direction based on what I thought was an attempt to look at the issues in a rational manner. This last statement of yours is revealing and sickening to me. Target the Holy Houses of Muslims. Would you spray paint the Star of David on them - like the Swastika that was painted on Synagogues a few years ago? I find your attitude disgusting - and unfortunately revealing. But I will defend your right to say it. I suspect that when he talks of "targetting" mosques, he doesn't mean it in the sense that some people target cartoonists. I think he means preventing those that incite to violence, from doing so, by legal means. But that's just my reading. Edited February 15, 2015 by bcsapper Quote
jbg Posted February 15, 2015 Author Report Posted February 15, 2015 I suspect that when he talks of "targetting" mosques, he doesn't mean it in the sense that some people target cartoonists. I think he means preventing those that incite to violence, from doing so, by legal means. But that's just my reading. In general, yes. But this is a war. Some of the leftists think I seek to protect Saudi Arabia because of royal ties to American business. Far from it. The imams there that spread their hate through the world need to die. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted February 15, 2015 Author Report Posted February 15, 2015 Um, I thought that this is what seeking justice is all about. I get it. Unaccountable people, spurred on by imams, can create bloodbaths and the ones urging them on go off scot-free? By the way, Denmark, just had a second shooting, this time at a synagogue (link). Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
sharkman Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 (edited) This last statement of yours is revealing and sickening to me. Target the Holy Houses of Muslims. Would you spray paint the Star of David on them - like the Swastika that was painted on Synagogues a few years ago? I find your attitude disgusting - and unfortunately revealing. But I will defend your right to say it. It reveals much that you would immediately make such assumptions. I think you try to appear unbiased but you are far from it. Edited February 15, 2015 by sharkman Quote
-TSS- Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 The pictures I have seen are mostly tacky, tasteless and simply stupid. However, to use that as an excuse to accept or at least understand attacks such as this one and the one in Paris is bordering on cowardice. The apologists for muslims surely inadvertently infantilisize the muslims by depicting them like people who just can't help themselves. Like little children or retards or any other group who can not be held responsible for their actions. Therefore the responsibility falls on you not to provoke them. A similar logic such as if you tease a dog and as a result the dog bites you. Your fault entirely; you shouldn't have teased the dog. Quote
jbg Posted February 15, 2015 Author Report Posted February 15, 2015 The pictures I have seen are mostly tacky, tasteless and simply stupid. However, to use that as an excuse to accept or at least understand attacks such as this one and the one in Paris is bordering on cowardice. The apologists for muslims surely inadvertently infantilisize the muslims by depicting them like people who just can't help themselves. Like little children or retards or any other group who can not be held responsible for their actions. Therefore the responsibility falls on you not to provoke them. A similar logic such as if you tease a dog and as a result the dog bites you. Your fault entirely; you shouldn't have teased the dog. I agree. Putting Muslims on a level with dogs is racism. Not holding them responsible for their violence is racism. As for dogs, pet a golden retriever and it's teh same as teasing them. They will bite. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
GostHacked Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/suspected-copenhagen-gunman-had-criminal-record-links-to-gangs-1.2237073 COPENHAGEN, Denmark -- The suspected gunman killed by police after shooting attacks against a free speech event and outside a Copenhagen synagogue was 22 years old and had a background in criminal gangs, police said Sunday. The suspect was born in Denmark and had a criminal record, including violence and weapons offences, Copenhagen police said in a statement. They didn't release his name. Even when the police know about a certain person, the attacks can still happen. I guess this is a proper reaction to it all. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/israeli-pm-benjamin-nethanyahu-encourages-jews-to-flee-europe/ The gunman in the recent terror attacks in Denmark appears to have targeted a Copenhagen synagogue simply because there were Jews there. Just like after the terror attacks last month in France - once of which was on a Kosher grocery store -- Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu took the occasion to encourage Europe's Jews to leave. "Again, Jews were murdered on European soil just because they were Jews," Netanyahu said at the start of his Cabinet meeting Sunday. "This wave of attacks is expected to continue, as well as murderous anti-Semitic attacks. Jews deserve security in every country, but we say to our Jewish brothers and sisters, Israel is your home." The Israeli Cabinet approved a $46 million plan Sunday to encourage Jewish immigration from France, Belgium and Ukraine, countries where large numbers of Jews have expressed interest in moving to Israel. Quote
Rue Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 Democracies tread a fine line having to balance freedom of thought and freedom to express religion from those who use both freedoms to engage in crime and terror. Yes certain Mosques may be recruiting and training centres for terrorists and have to be monitored but our intelligence and police also have to tread carefully so that those innocent Muslims are not swept up in any police or security prevention activities. It's not easy and its slow going but our intelligence and police are doing what JBG has suggested already. They are trying to monitor possible terrorist and hostile behaviour without going so far as to unintentionally harass or arrest the wrong people. it takes time. Putting a contact into a terrorist cell, a mosque, a church, a school, whatever and then documenting possible hostile and potentially terrorist activities is psychologically draining, time consuming and is very complex to discern. There is a fine line between a right to think something, and an action based on a thought that could cause a crime, Quote
Rue Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 Ghost I personally think Netanyahu is wrong in using the terrorist attacks to call for immigration to Israel. I believe it insults those countries who Israel needs as allies. I do not believe Israel can live as a nation unto itself. I think as many ZIonists do, that for Israel to be able to exist as a Jewish state, it also needs Jews living in the diaspora as well as non Jews as allies. We need to reach out to not just these nations, but their Muslim peoples not just their non Muslim peoples to appeal to them to work with us against terrorism. I do not feel comfortable exploiting fear in this manner. I think it embarrasses non Israeli Jewish supporters of Israel who are loyal to their nations of birth. I would never abandon Canada. I would stand her and fight not just as a Jew against anti semitic terrorists but as a CANADA against terrorists. I am loyal to Canada. I would not bail on it for any reason. I also detest Muslim extremists and terrorists not Muslims. I have no problem living in Canada with Muslims or non Jewsh people. I like that. I enjoy a luxury of tolerance. I live in a country where we can live side by side. I don't think France or Denmark has done anything to warrant telling Jews to flee. Unlke the holocaust. the nations where these attacks happen are not condoned or encouraged by their governments. I believe Netanyahu should shut up and stop alienating states he needs to reach out to in a war against terrorism which is also a war to reach out to non extremist Muslims as well and get them to know we are on the same side. Quote
jbg Posted February 15, 2015 Author Report Posted February 15, 2015 Ghost I personally think Netanyahu is wrong in using the terrorist attacks to call for immigration to Israel.I hear you but think that Jews are safe only in the Anglosphere and Israel. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Argus Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 I hear you but think that Jews are safe only in the Anglosphere and Israel. There are Muslims in Israel, and plenty of them, and in the 'Anglosphere" too. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jbg Posted February 15, 2015 Author Report Posted February 15, 2015 There are Muslims in Israel, and plenty of them, and in the 'Anglosphere" too.The granting of rights is not reciprocal. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
marcus Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 We must target such mosques in both the West and the Muslim world. What they are preaching is incitement and war. What? What kind of a Nazi comment is that? Are you cementing what Zionism is all about? Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
jbg Posted February 16, 2015 Author Report Posted February 16, 2015 What? What kind of a Nazi comment is that? Are you cementing what Zionism is all about?I identified mosques that are inciting to hatred and war. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
marcus Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 (edited) The problem is "no go" zones in European cities and the spread of hate by imams. Listen, Foxnews. This has already been debunked and people like you have been made fun of by Europeans for claiming these fantaies. Claim: A number of localities in the United States, France, and Britain are considered Muslim "no-go zones" (operating under Sharia Law) where local laws are not applicable. FALSE Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/nogozones.asp#r6HaBX60rwwLWk5d.99 Edited February 16, 2015 by marcus Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
Michael Hardner Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 No go zones are real in many European cities. Paris and London for two. Go for a visit and see for yourself instead of sitting behind a computer hiding. No, we have sources we can go to that have already told us that these ideas are completely false. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
GostHacked Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 No go zones are real in many European cities. Paris and London for two. Go for a visit and see for yourself instead of sitting behind a computer hiding. Ever been to Hastings in Vancouver? Parts of Chicago, Detroit? Quote
Michael Hardner Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 Would you like to see evidence of no go zones? Yes, but only if they're at least as reputable as FOX News, which should be around the lower bar for accuracy around here. Meanwhile, Fox News corrects, apologizes for ‘no-go zone’ remarks http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2015/01/18/fox-news-corrects-apologizes-for-no-go-zone-remarks/ Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
GostHacked Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 The media lies to us Mike? Say it ain't so! Wonder why they do that. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 The media lies to us Mike? Say it ain't so! Wonder why they do that. Mostly for the same reasons children lie, ie. to get attention. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
eyeball Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 However, to use that as an excuse to accept or at least understand attacks such as this one and the one in Paris is bordering on cowardice. A similar logic such as if you tease a dog and as a result the dog bites you. Your fault entirely; you shouldn't have teased the dog. So according to your logic the west is the poor hapless dog that's being tormented?That's phenomenal. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
marcus Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 Is jbg purposely spreading lies that have already been debunked? As shown above, even foxnews has retracted and apologized for the lies they made. Why is jbg still repeating misinformation? Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
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