eyeball Posted September 26, 2015 Report Posted September 26, 2015 The warm personal memory also sends a message what is meant by being a Canadian woman. Canadians do not condone women having to hide their faces. I'd rather see the men who oppress these women being humiliated, they're the ones who deserve it. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Argus Posted September 26, 2015 Report Posted September 26, 2015 I'd rather see the men who oppress these women being humiliated, they're the ones who deserve it. I'd rather not see any of them in my country. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
BC_chick Posted September 26, 2015 Report Posted September 26, 2015 (edited) Oh yes, I am sure that ---SNIP--- upon summary conviction $500.00 fine? Loss of citizenship? This is one of the most level-headed responses I got on this thread and even though I will never change my mind about our indifference towards such an abhorrent custom, I can see the point you're making. Edited September 27, 2015 by Charles Anthony [---SNIP---] Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
Big Guy Posted September 26, 2015 Report Posted September 26, 2015 Covering a woman's face is a symbol of oppression. I have never seen a man cover his face. Have you? You believe that covering a woman's face is a symbol of oppression - your symbol. What if another person believes that covering a woman's face is a symbol of modesty. If you do not accept their belief then why should they accept yours? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Keepitsimple Posted September 26, 2015 Report Posted September 26, 2015 You believe that covering a woman's face is a symbol of oppression - your symbol. What if another person believes that covering a woman's face is a symbol of modesty. If you do not accept their belief then why should they accept yours? As with many in the small minority who would allow the Niqab at the citizenship ceremony, you are missing the gut feeling of Canadians - as Jean Lapierre summed up the feeling of Quebecers when he paraphrased their attitude that "enough is enough". Even the Charter says that rights are not absolute - they have to be interpreted in view of several things - including religious accommodation. It's a simple fact that's what's going on with Canadians - they feel they've been overly accommodating with the culture and traditions of newcomers - but there is a limit.....and they are thankful that Harper is drawing a line in the sand. You can argue until the cows come home but that's how the vast majority of everyday Canadians feel. Quote Back to Basics
ReeferMadness Posted September 27, 2015 Report Posted September 27, 2015 I'm uncomfortable with the niqab because I worry that it is a symbol of partriarchy and oppression. However, I don't support laws against it or the denial of government services. The law is a blunt instrument and not everything can or should be legislated. Ultimately, it is the individual woman's choice whether or not to wear it and she needs to freely decide whether she is being oppressed or not. If the concern is that she is so oppressed she is unable to freely decide, there is a much bigger problem than just the niqab. The SCC was correct in ruling that as long as she uncovers her face to allow identification (which can be done in private), that should suffice. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
cybercoma Posted September 27, 2015 Author Report Posted September 27, 2015 you are missing the gut feeling of Canadians more of this please. Government really ought to be legislating gut feelings. Quote
eyeball Posted September 27, 2015 Report Posted September 27, 2015 (edited) As with many in the small ---SNIP--- ---SNIP--- everyday Canadians feel. So you're proposing we enshrine the right to be fed up? This really is Canada's stupidest moment. It's getting hilarious. Edited September 27, 2015 by Charles Anthony [---SNIP---] Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Machjo Posted September 27, 2015 Report Posted September 27, 2015 Good. I wholeheartedly reject her religion and culture. So do most Canadians. Most Canadians reject vegan ism too. Do SHOUTcast We Ban That too? Most Canadians probably reject curry, should we ban that too? Quote With friends like Zionists, what Jew needs enemies? With friends like Islamists, what Muslim needs enemies?
Bryan Posted September 28, 2015 Report Posted September 28, 2015 Yes, by the by: asking for a link or cite is a valid request. I never said it wasn't a valid request, I'm just pointing out her laziness. She can Google a link up as easily as I can, there have been several incidents. Quote
Bryan Posted September 28, 2015 Report Posted September 28, 2015 Most Canadians probably reject curry, should we ban that too? In public places? Absolutely. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted September 28, 2015 Report Posted September 28, 2015 Most Canadians reject vegan ism too. Do SHOUTcast We Ban That too? Most Canadians probably reject curry, should we ban that too? Don't you dare try and take my curry away. Quote
Black Dog Posted September 28, 2015 Report Posted September 28, 2015 (edited) I never said it wasn't a valid request, I'm just pointing out her laziness. She can Google a link up as easily as I can, there have been several incidents. I did the Google and I didn't see anything about anyone successfully getting away with not showing their face on government IDs. Back to my point as to why the slippery slope argument here is a fallacy: there's no reason to think allowing someone to have their face covered during the citizenship oath would lead to face covering for IDs because they are already required to show their faces for ID purposes at citizenship ceremonies and no one is arguing for that to change. Apple and oranges, really. Edited September 28, 2015 by Black Dog Quote
PIK Posted September 28, 2015 Report Posted September 28, 2015 So curry is just as important as wearing a mask while becoming a Canadian. Well I am sorry but our citizenship is worth a lot more then that. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
cybercoma Posted September 28, 2015 Author Report Posted September 28, 2015 If you worked on being concise, you could write bumper stickers. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted September 28, 2015 Report Posted September 28, 2015 So curry is just as important as wearing a mask while becoming a Canadian. Well I am sorry but our citizenship is worth a lot more then that. And our respect for individual rights is one of the things that makes it worth so much. Quote
PIK Posted September 28, 2015 Report Posted September 28, 2015 And our respect for individual rights is one of the things that makes it worth so much. You are so wrong on that one. These people want to come here, they should be showing respect for this country and you should be showing more respect for this country. What about the rights of 92% of canadians that want to see her face. HDS HDS HDS HDS HDS Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
On Guard for Thee Posted September 28, 2015 Report Posted September 28, 2015 You are so wrong on that one. These people want to come here, they should be showing respect for this country and you should be showing more respect for this country. What about the rights of 92% of canadians that want to see her face. HDS HDS HDS HDS HDS I have respect for our charter of rights. So should you. Quote
Black Dog Posted September 28, 2015 Report Posted September 28, 2015 You are so wrong on that one. These people want to come here, they should be showing respect for this country and you should be showing more respect for this country. What about the rights of 92% of canadians that want to see her face. The hell do they have to do with it? It doesn't touch them. Quote
eyeball Posted September 28, 2015 Report Posted September 28, 2015 You are so wrong on that one. These people want to come here, they should be showing respect for this country and you should be showing more respect for this country. What about the rights of 92% of canadians that want to see her face. HDS HDS HDS HDS HDS What if that 92% also wanted to give her 20 lashes for being such a troublemaker? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
dialamah Posted September 28, 2015 Report Posted September 28, 2015 more of this please. Government really ought to be legislating gut feelings. Absolutely! I have a gut feeling that I should win a huge lottery! I can hardly wait till Harper and his Cons put that into an omnibus bill! Quote
dialamah Posted September 28, 2015 Report Posted September 28, 2015 As I have said previously, by banning the niqab we are sending a message to women that Canadians respect women and they do not need to hide. It may take them a while to understand our culture, but I would hope they would get it eventually. By banning an article of clothing that a person/family consider part of their religious culture, we aren't sending a message of 'respect'. We're sending a message of "Yeah, we can be oppressive too! It's Canadian oppression though, so you'll realize later that you like it". You don't teach someone tolerance or freedom by removing their choice. Quote
Bob Macadoo Posted September 28, 2015 Report Posted September 28, 2015 You are so wrong on that one. These people want to come here, they should be showing respect for this country and you should be showing more respect for this country. What about the rights of 92% of canadians that want to see her face. HDS HDS HDS HDS HDS Didn't know 92% of Cdns were showing up to the ceremony. They better go next door and borrow some folding chairs. Quote
cybercoma Posted September 28, 2015 Author Report Posted September 28, 2015 I love how that figure constantly changes. We're up to 92% of people wanting to ban the notable at citizenship ceremonies. I bet 92% of Canadians couldn't possibly care less. Quote
Bryan Posted September 29, 2015 Report Posted September 29, 2015 (edited) What if that 92% also wanted to give her 20 lashes for being such a troublemaker? It works in Singapore. I love how that figure constantly changes. We're up to 92% of people wanting to ban the notable at citizenship ceremonies. I bet 92% of Canadians couldn't possibly care less. It's between 72 and 92% depending on which poll. People didn't care very much until they saw the courts go so far out of bounds. You can thank the courts for turning it into an issue by being so obtuse. Edited September 29, 2015 by Bryan Quote
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