Argus Posted December 31, 2014 Report Posted December 31, 2014 (edited) In any profession where you are required to investigate (I used to be in one) or any where you have to be accountable, you are taught to never let your notes go because they are your defence. They will not give them up, and for a reason. They can photocopy them if they're worried the SIU might lose them, but I don't think they should be able to keep anything secret from the SIU. At the very least I would want any cop who refuses to talk to the SIU to be fired. Edited December 31, 2014 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted December 31, 2014 Report Posted December 31, 2014 (edited) They can photocopy them if they're worried the SIU might lose them, but I don't think they should be able to keep anything secret from the SIU. At the very least I would want any cop who refuses to talk to the SIU to be fired.Copying them, as long as they never leave their possession, should be completely acceptable. Edited December 31, 2014 by Smallc Quote
guyser Posted December 31, 2014 Report Posted December 31, 2014 The only way to avoid it, assuming you can't deny you did the killing, is to try to justify why you killed that person. That's no different for a cop than anyone else. If your answer to why you killed that man is "I refuse to answer" you go to prison. End of story. Buh bye.How does someone who never takes the stand answer the why question? Quote
jbg Posted January 1, 2015 Report Posted January 1, 2015 NYPD: work to rule?That woudln't shock me. Since those cops were ambushed, there would have been no way to make an arrest. That's kind of the point behind an ambush attempt. Now all cops are gonna be on edge because of it.That's what you get when you end stop and frisk. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Argus Posted January 1, 2015 Report Posted January 1, 2015 Copying them, as long as they never leave their possession, should be completely acceptable. The problem is they refuse to even show them to investigators now and often refuse to even talk to them. Such police should be immediately terminated. If they have shot someone, they should be charged with murder. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted January 1, 2015 Report Posted January 1, 2015 How does someone who never takes the stand answer the why question? If they can't explain why they shot someone then they go to prison, right? This isn't like normal murder cases where the job of the Crown is to prove who did it. We know he did it. Therefore, he needs to explain that he did it in self-defense, and why. That's what makes it a justifiable homicide. Don't want to talk? Enjoy prison. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
GostHacked Posted January 1, 2015 Report Posted January 1, 2015 That woudln't shock me. That's what you get when you end stop and frisk. How does a stop and frisk prevent an ambush? Quote
jbg Posted January 2, 2015 Report Posted January 2, 2015 How does a stop and frisk prevent an ambush?Maintains an overall intimidation of society's scum. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Black Dog Posted January 2, 2015 Report Posted January 2, 2015 (edited) That woudln't shock me. That the NYPD are dumber than a bag of hammers? Me neither. That's what you get when you end stop and frisk. That a lawyer would champion an unconstitutional technique like that boggles the mind. Maintains an overall intimidation of society's scum. You mean blacks and Latinos who aren't guilty of any crimes? Because that's who are overwhelmingly targeted by stop-and-frisk. And you wonder why this communities are angry and hate/fear the cops. Edited January 2, 2015 by Black Dog Quote
GostHacked Posted January 2, 2015 Report Posted January 2, 2015 Maintains an overall intimidation of society's scum. Are you confused about what 'ambush' means? Quote
jbg Posted January 3, 2015 Report Posted January 3, 2015 That a lawyer would champion an unconstitutional technique like that boggles the mind.Read the U.S. Supreme Court decision Terry v. Ohio.{/u]It makes good reading. You mean blacks and Latinos who aren't guilty of any crimes? Because that's who are overwhelmingly targeted by stop-and-frisk. And you wonder why this communities are angry and hate/fear the cops. They commit a disproportionate amount of the crime. Not much debate there.Are you confused about what 'ambush' means? But if the offender were already locked up for something else those cops would be alive today. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
kimmy Posted January 3, 2015 Report Posted January 3, 2015 So what precisely are the NYPD mad at the mayor for? What's the source of this claim that "he has blood on his hands"? They're mad that he didn't give a heartfelt endorsement of the guy who choked the unarmed man to death on video? Is that what they're upset about? So I hear that the NYPD are basically on strike right now, and that only serious crimes are being pursued. Issuing tickets for minor offenses has dropped by about 1000%. I imagine a lot of people in New York are asking: "what's the downside here supposed to be, again?" -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Shady Posted January 3, 2015 Report Posted January 3, 2015 So what precisely are the NYPD mad at the mayor for? What's the source of this claim that "he has blood on his hands"? They're mad that he didn't give a heartfelt endorsement of the guy who choked the unarmed man to death on video? Is that what they're upset about? So I hear that the NYPD are basically on strike right now, and that only serious crimes are being pursued. Issuing tickets for minor offenses has dropped by about 1000%. I imagine a lot of people in New York are asking: "what's the downside here supposed to be, again?" -k It's actually 66%. But no, it's not about any heartfelt endorsement of the guy who choked the person resisting arrest. It was the mayor calling it the product of centuries of racism, and then implying that the NYPD is also a product of racism. It also goes back to the mayors election campaign which was very anti-cop. So no, your strawman is not what this is about. Do some homework next time. I'm getting tired of having to clean up after your thread accidents. Quote
Bob Macadoo Posted January 3, 2015 Report Posted January 3, 2015 It's actually 66%. But no, it's not about any heartfelt endorsement of the guy who choked the person resisting arrest. It was the mayor calling it the product of centuries of racism, and then implying that the NYPD is also a product of racism. It also goes back to the mayors election campaign which was very anti-cop. So no, your strawman is not what this is about. Do some homework next time. I'm getting tired of having to clean up after your thread accidents. So his campaign was anti-cop and he was elected? Let's see how he fares during negotiations vs. the Rob Ford approach to the police union. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted January 3, 2015 Report Posted January 3, 2015 1) It was the mayor calling it the product of centuries of racism, and then implying that the NYPD is also a product of racism. 2) It also goes back to the mayors election campaign which was very anti-cop. Can you give a cite for these two things ? I looked but couldn't find anything. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
GostHacked Posted January 3, 2015 Report Posted January 3, 2015 Can you give a cite for these two things ? I looked but couldn't find anything. Shady has been a little lacking in that area of citing articles. Quote
BubberMiley Posted January 3, 2015 Report Posted January 3, 2015 I believe the implication is that being opposed to stop-and-frisk is anti-cop. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Argus Posted January 3, 2015 Report Posted January 3, 2015 (edited) So what precisely are the NYPD mad at the mayor for? What's the source of this claim that "he has blood on his hands"? I think what has the police most incensed was him playing to the theme that cops hate young black men and are itching to take them out. When he gave a speech where he sadly said that he, as the father of a Black teenager, had to have 'the talk' where he warned him about police. "What parents have done for decades, who have children of color, especially young men of color, is train them to be very careful when they have a connection with a police officer," de Blasio said at the time, prompting the head of the largest New York police union to say the mayor "threw cops under the bus." Maybe if he said parents of colour should train their kids carefully to obey the law and obey cops when they give them an order it would have gone over better. But since he's often seen with Al Sharpton, the narrative is he and the other race activists have portrayed the police as some kind of violent, dangerous anti-Black gang, and thus inspired violence against them. Edited January 3, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Shady Posted January 3, 2015 Report Posted January 3, 2015 Can you give a cite for these two things ? I looked but couldn't find anything. Sure. I'll try this evening. Quote
jbg Posted January 4, 2015 Report Posted January 4, 2015 So what precisely are the NYPD mad at the mayor for? What's the source of this claim that "he has blood on his hands"? They're mad that he didn't give a heartfelt endorsement of the guy who choked the unarmed man to death on video? Is that what they're upset about? So I hear that the NYPD are basically on strike right now, and that only serious crimes are being pursued. Issuing tickets for minor offenses has dropped by about 1000%. I imagine a lot of people in New York are asking: "what's the downside here supposed to be, again?" -k The mayor made clear, from his campaign on, that he did not have the police's back. He made it clear he meant business when he said that he tells his biracial son to be scared of the police. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
WestCoastRunner Posted January 4, 2015 Report Posted January 4, 2015 He made it clear he meant business when he said that he tells his biracial son to be scared of the police. As well he should have. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
WestCoastRunner Posted January 4, 2015 Report Posted January 4, 2015 Maybe if he said parents of colour should train their kids carefully to obey the law and obey cops when they give them an order it would have gone over better. Why should parents of colour train their kids? The fact that you even mention this, points to the difference in behaviour of cops towards black and white kidsl. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Smallc Posted January 4, 2015 Report Posted January 4, 2015 As well he should have. that's just your bias talking. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted January 4, 2015 Report Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) that's just your bias talking. If a Mayor of NY and a parent of a bi-racial child needs to warn his kids, why do you think you know more than him about how to raise his kids? It isn't my bias, it's the life experiences of this Mayor's family. Edited January 4, 2015 by WestCoastRunner Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Bob Macadoo Posted January 4, 2015 Report Posted January 4, 2015 If a Mayor of NY and a parent of a bi-racial child needs to warn his kids, why do you think you know more than him about how to raise his kids? It isn't my bias, it's the life experiences of this Mayor's family. Naw its his white guilt don't you know? Quote
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