Smallc Posted January 4, 2015 Report Posted January 4, 2015 If a Mayor of NY and a parent of a bi-racial child needs to warn his kids, why do you think you know more than him about how to raise his kids? It isn't my bias, it's the life experiences of this Mayor's family. Fine, it's the mayor's biases. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted January 4, 2015 Report Posted January 4, 2015 Fine, it's the mayor's biases. You of course know nothing of this families experiences living in NYC. So how on earth would you know about his biases? Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
WestCoastRunner Posted January 4, 2015 Report Posted January 4, 2015 Naw its his white guilt don't you know? Yes, I guess it is. sigh..... Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Argus Posted January 4, 2015 Report Posted January 4, 2015 You of course know nothing of this families experiences living in NYC. So how on earth would you know about his biases? You seem to feel free to point out the alleged biases of others you've never met. Are you saying that's your prerogative alone? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
WestCoastRunner Posted January 4, 2015 Report Posted January 4, 2015 You seem to feel free to point out the alleged biases of others you've never met. Are you saying that's your prerogative alone? Huh? Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Bob Macadoo Posted January 4, 2015 Report Posted January 4, 2015 Fine, it's the mayor's biases. Well there are appropriate and inappropriate biases. Biases based on actual first hand experience are appropriate....they form informed opinion on how to run your life. That's why noone calls you out when you have your obvious biases about reserves...... Biases based on rhetoric or "common knowledge" that run your life are a poor substitute. So if you want to hate-on "lazy natives" as you want to do and the mayor wants to protect his son from police bias......so be it. Quote
jbg Posted January 4, 2015 Report Posted January 4, 2015 If a Mayor of NY and a parent of a bi-racial child needs to warn his kids, why do you think you know more than him about how to raise his kids? It isn't my bias, it's the life experiences of this Mayor's family.Even if that's the way he wants to train his kids does he need to go public with it? Even the training, if true, borders on ireesponsible. Telling the minority public to be scared of police even more so. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
WestCoastRunner Posted January 4, 2015 Report Posted January 4, 2015 Even if that's the way he wants to train his kids does he need to go public with it? Even the training, if true, borders on ireesponsible. Telling the minority public to be scared of police even more so. Not sure he used the word 'scared'. And of course, I bet you are not a father of bi-racial children. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
WestCoastRunner Posted January 4, 2015 Report Posted January 4, 2015 Well there are appropriate and inappropriate biases. Biases based on actual first hand experience are appropriate....they form informed opinion on how to run your life. That's why noone calls you out when you have your obvious biases about reserves...... Biases based on rhetoric or "common knowledge" that run your life are a poor substitute. So if you want to hate-on "lazy natives" as you want to do and the mayor wants to protect his son from police bias......so be it. And just to add to your insightful comment: because a parent is a mayor, does not exclude them from protecting their children., Remember the remark Obama made about 'his son could have been Trayvon Martin'. He is also a parent of 2 black daughters. He understands the racial profiling of cops in the U.S. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
jbg Posted January 4, 2015 Report Posted January 4, 2015 because a parent is a mayor, does not exclude them from protecting their children., It does mean they have mayoral responsibilities. Remember the remark Obama made about 'his son could have been Trayvon Martin'. He is also a parent of 2 black daughters. Equally divisive and irresponsible. Thank G-d no one died because of that remark. He understands the racial profiling of cops in the U.S. It is very hard to racially profile the police. Police departments hire all races. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Smallc Posted January 4, 2015 Report Posted January 4, 2015 Well there are appropriate and inappropriate biases. Biases based on actual first hand experience are appropriate....they form informed opinion on how to run your life. That's why noone calls you out when you have your obvious biases about reserves...... Biases based on rhetoric or "common knowledge" that run your life are a poor substitute. So if you want to hate-on "lazy natives" as you want to do and the mayor wants to protect his son from police bias......so be it. People call me out all of the time, because they have no way to verify what I'm saying. The same applies here. Quote
Shady Posted January 4, 2015 Report Posted January 4, 2015 Former NYPD commissioner Ray Kelly, a major proponent of the Stop and Frisk policies that current Gotham Mayor Bill de Blasio made a major issue in his campaign, told ABC News Sunday morning that de Blasio ran an “anti-police campaign,” part of the reason officers turned their backs on him during a press conference Saturday night. “I think when the mayor made statements about how they had to train his son [Dante], who is biracial, to be careful when he’s dealing with the police, I think that set off this latest firestorm,” Kelly said. “And, quite frankly, the mayor ran an anti-police campaign last year when he ran for mayor,” Kelly said. “I think a lot of the rhetoric was [anti-poice] at a time when the police had a 70% approval rating http://www.mediaite.com/tv/fmr-nypd-commish-kelly-de-blasio-ran-anti-police-campaign/ That was basically the beginning of the souring relationship between the mayor and the police department. Mayor de Blasio is deeply invested in this smear. It is why he has made career anti-police agitator Al Sharpton practically deputy police commissioner. It is why he considers the police a clear and present danger to his biracial son, Dante. It is why he said the tragic death of Eric Garner in police custody was the product of “centuries of racism.” http://www.nationalreview.com/article/395330/stop-lying-about-police-rich-lowry His comment about the death of Eric Garner being a product of centuries of racism was absurd, and what really angered all of the the NYPD. Which is the most racially diverse police department in America, but probably the world. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted January 4, 2015 Report Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) Shady,can you provide direct cites of the Mayor stating the above comments. For example: He has made career anti-police agitator Al Sharpton practically deputy police commissioner. Do you understand what 'cites' mean? Edited January 4, 2015 by WestCoastRunner Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
WestCoastRunner Posted January 4, 2015 Report Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) Equally divisive and irresponsible. Thank G-d no one died because of that remark. If we had one less George Zimmerman on this planet, I would be quite happy. Edited January 4, 2015 by WestCoastRunner Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
kimmy Posted January 4, 2015 Report Posted January 4, 2015 The mayor made clear, from his campaign on, that he did not have the police's back. He made it clear he meant business when he said that he tells his biracial son to be scared of the police. Well thanks for at least moving past the "blood on his hands" stuff and pointing out that the NYPD's grudge against de Blasio goes back a lot farther than the Eric Garner incident. "he did not have the police's back" is a strange way of saying he campaigned against stop-and-frisk and in favor of improving relations between the police and minorities. "he did not have the police's back" sounds like the New York equivalent of "he does not Support The Troops." He did not respect The Thin Blue Line. He did not Honor The Heroes In Blue. bla de bla de blee de bla. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
kimmy Posted January 4, 2015 Report Posted January 4, 2015 It's actually 66%. But no, it's not about any heartfelt endorsement of the guy who choked the person resisting arrest. It was the mayor calling it the product of centuries of racism, and then implying that the NYPD is also a product of racism. It also goes back to the mayors election campaign which was very anti-cop. So no, your strawman is not what this is about. Do some homework next time. I'm getting tired of having to clean up after your thread accidents. Overall arrests are down by 66%, but arrests for minor offenses are down by 94% and tickets are down by 94%. They are trying to punish the mayor by hitting the city in the wallet, because the city relies on tickets and fines as a major source of revenue. Which primarily serves to illustrate the absurdity of using the police as roving tax-collectors in the first place. Critics of the police have also pointed out that since minorities are disproportionately targets of arrests for minor offenses, the police might actually be easing the tensions they've created with "stop and frisk" and the "broken windows" policy. Like I said before, people are probably wondering "what's the downside?" Except for the folks at the city budget department, of course. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
kimmy Posted January 4, 2015 Report Posted January 4, 2015 http://www.mediaite.com/tv/fmr-nypd-commish-kelly-de-blasio-ran-anti-police-campaign/ That was basically the beginning of the souring relationship between the mayor and the police department. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/395330/stop-lying-about-police-rich-lowry His comment about the death of Eric Garner being a product of centuries of racism was absurd, and what really angered all of the the NYPD. Which is the most racially diverse police department in America, but probably the world. A career opponent of police transparency, and an editorial from the National Review. Yeah, that's probably a balanced view of the situation. I do find it interesting how conservative sources like the National Review and Fox News and yourself are so unfailingly pro-police when it comes to things like stop-and-frisk and asset forfeiture and police brutality. Nothing says "I support freedom and individual liberty!" like supporting increased use of force and random search and seizure of assets by agents of the state. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
cybercoma Posted January 4, 2015 Report Posted January 4, 2015 I think you're misunderstanding the point. Killing someone is a homicide by definition, under all circumstances. Homicide is punishable by a long period of incarceration. The only way to avoid it, assuming you can't deny you did the killing, is to try to justify why you killed that person. That's no different for a cop than anyone else. If your answer to why you killed that man is "I refuse to answer" you go to prison. End of story. Buh bye. Sorry, but you're twisting up the legal system. You're arguing that they're guilty until they prove their innocence and that's not the way it works. You're also saying their notes, i.e., their own testimony, should be used against them. That's also against the Charter of Rights. You can't be compelled to testify against yourself. It's up to the prosecution and the investigators to put together a case with the available evidence without forcing someone to testify against themselves. Quote
cybercoma Posted January 4, 2015 Report Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) If they can't explain why they shot someone then they go to prison, right? Wrong. They don't have to explain anything. They go to prison when the prosecutors prove beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury that the situation fits the legal definition of homicide or manslaughter and a judge sentences them to prison. Edited January 4, 2015 by cybercoma Quote
cybercoma Posted January 4, 2015 Report Posted January 4, 2015 Can you give a cite for these two things ? I looked but couldn't find anything. lol, Shady cite something? Come on, man. You post here like the rest of us. Quote
cybercoma Posted January 4, 2015 Report Posted January 4, 2015 A career opponent of police transparency, and an editorial from the National Review. Yeah, that's probably a balanced view of the situation. I do find it interesting how conservative sources like the National Review and Fox News and yourself are so unfailingly pro-police when it comes to things like stop-and-frisk and asset forfeiture and police brutality. Nothing says "I support freedom and individual liberty!" like supporting increased use of force and random search and seizure of assets by agents of the state. -k That's because stop and frisk doesn't target old white men. Quote
Argus Posted January 4, 2015 Report Posted January 4, 2015 Wrong. They don't have to explain anything. They go to prison when the prosecutors prove beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury that the situation fits the legal definition of homicide or manslaughter and a judge sentences them to prison. If you shoot someone then it fits the legal definition of homicide. End of story. That's why, in the absence of a denial that you did the shooting, there is a reverse onus in place here. Now its up to you to prove the killing was justified. And you don't do that by zipping your lip. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted January 4, 2015 Report Posted January 4, 2015 Sorry, but you're twisting up the legal system. You're arguing that they're guilty until they prove their innocence and that's not the way it works. Yes, it is, provided there it is accepted fact they shot someone to death. You're also saying their notes, i.e., their own testimony, should be used against them. Their notes are not theirs. They belong to the police department which pays them, which teaches them how to take notes and which provides them with the notebooks. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jbg Posted January 4, 2015 Report Posted January 4, 2015 Wrong. They don't have to explain anything. They go to prison when the prosecutors prove beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury that the situation fits the legal definition of homicide or manslaughter and a judge sentences them to prison. Actually if they don't deny carrying out the killing, the burden shifts to the kiler to produce evidence of justification. The burden is still on the People (the equivalent of the Crown) to debunk the evidence of justification but the initial burden is on the killer. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Black Dog Posted January 5, 2015 Report Posted January 5, 2015 The mayor made clear, from his campaign on, that he did not have the police's back. He made it clear he meant business when he said that he tells his biracial son to be scared of the police. I think you mean when he banned the unconstitutional practice of stop and frisk. Even if that's the way he wants to train his kids does he need to go public with it? Even the training, if true, borders on ireesponsible. Telling the minority public to be scared of police even more so. It's not parents' fault such training is necessary. Quote
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