bush_cheney2004 Posted January 5, 2016 Report Share Posted January 5, 2016 ....Time for Canada to build ties with Iran. Yes, now would be a good time for Canada to "build ties" with Iran. When will this start...before or after the war with the Saudis ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted January 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2016 If I thought that you had a serious question and not just intent on agitating then I would answer your question. Until then, don't hold your breath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted January 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 The British have decided to re-establish relations with Iran: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-34031615 And it appears that Canada will also do so: http://ipolitics.ca/2015/06/26/harper-trudeau-spat-on-iran-based-on-wishful-thinking-experts-suggest/ It is time for Canada to look elsewhere from Israel as an associate in the Middle East. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 It is time for Canada to look elsewhere from Israel as an associate in the Middle East. Israel seems like mice nuts compared to the conflagration taking off just about everywhere else around it these days. In the meantime I fail to see how Canada can be seen as an honest broker in anything going on over there so long as we're bombing and arming combatants in the region. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 The British have decided to re-establish relations with Iran: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-34031615 And it appears that Canada will also do so: http://ipolitics.ca/2015/06/26/harper-trudeau-spat-on-iran-based-on-wishful-thinking-experts-suggest/ It is time for Canada to look elsewhere from Israel as an associate in the Middle East. Have always been an advocate of Canada and Iran re-establishing a relationship. There were historic moments that led to the deterioration of this relationship (the killing of the canadian/ iranian journalist Zahra Kazemi in July 2003 by Iranian secret agent) But I think there is a lot that can be leveraged from this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted January 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Two military ships from the USA wonder into Iranian waters. They are stopped and detained. One detained sailor apologizes for their mistake. USA admits to the error but refuses to apologize. Iran sends the detainees back and also releases the boats. Looks like the sanctions against Iran are being lifted. Iran has just released 4 Iranian Americans who had been in Iranian jails. So about $150 billion in previously locked Iranian funds are to be released and countries are starting to line up ready to sell. The Canadian dollar makes Canadian goods a very good buy. Maybe Iran would like some of those "jeeps with guns" that we are selling to Saudi Arabia. Bibi Netanyahu of Israel is livid but still continuing to build settlements on Palestinian land and giving the USA and the UN the political middle finger. I hope that Canada is one of the first to be standing in that line looking for expanded trade and association with Iran. Time to back away from Israel and its apparent intent keep the Middle East in turmoil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 I hope that Canada is one of the first to be standing in that line looking for expanded trade and association with Iran. Time to back away from Israel and its apparent intent keep the Middle East in turmoil. I'm curious about the motivation behind such a statement, that Israel is intent on keeping the Middle East in turmoil so we should turn to Iran. Iran helps sponsor terrorism and violence around the world, and especially throughout the middle east. It sent weapons and trainers into Afghanistan to help the Taliban kill Americans. It did the same in Iraq. It has troops, primarily Revolutionary Guards, and trainers, and is providing weapons to Shia militia groups in Iraq, to guerrillas in Yemen, and to the Assad government to help them fight their war. It provides weapons and trainers to Lebanese and Palestinian guerrilla groups, and to a variety of shia and anti government groups in Saudi Arabia and the gulf states And Israel, in comparison, well... they're Jews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Iran helps sponsor terrorism and violence around the world, and especially throughout the middle east. It sent weapons and trainers into Afghanistan to help the Taliban kill Americans. And Israel, in comparison, well... they're Jews. And I am curious as to whether you can back up your claims.... It is a known fact that the saudi supported talibans are no friends of Iran. Iraq and Afganistan are the two areas where Iran and US cooperated as both Saddam and taliban were arch enemies of Iran then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted January 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 I'm curious about the motivation behind such a statement, that Israel is intent on keeping the Middle East in turmoil so we should turn to Iran. Iran helps sponsor terrorism and violence around the world, and especially throughout the middle east. It sent weapons and trainers into Afghanistan to help the Taliban kill Americans. It did the same in Iraq. It has troops, primarily Revolutionary Guards, and trainers, and is providing weapons to Shia militia groups in Iraq, to guerrillas in Yemen, and to the Assad government to help them fight their war. It provides weapons and trainers to Lebanese and Palestinian guerrilla groups, and to a variety of shia and anti government groups in Saudi Arabia and the gulf states And Israel, in comparison, well... they're Jews. Sorry that your only understanding of Israel is that some people equate it only with Jews. It is a sovereign and democratic nation and you should not sell it short. You obviously have a preconceived attitude towards Iran and the authenticity of your "curiosity of my motivation" is as strong as your tolerance of different genders, races and religions. I have no time or interest in engaging into yet another unproductive and baiting dialogue with you. If you want more information about Iran then try: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran Perhaps if you read that extensive reference and would still have some questions about Iran that you might rephrase your questions, post them again and I will attempt to answer them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 I doubt you could be convinced that Stalin...with assistance from Churchill...put The Shah on the Peacock Throne in 1941. Or that Mossadeq was a pro-USSR sort of fellow playing hardball with Superpowers in the middle of the Cold War. Or that the Tudeh Party was complicit with the USSR in creating the UN's very first crisis where they sought to make Iran just another 'SR' in USSR. Or that Iran's Army officer corp was less than keen on breaking bread with their former Gulag guards re: the CIA's activities in Iran in 1953. But you never know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Truman knew. Anybody with half a brain and a quarter of a principle can see why too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) So what? I'd hope he knew what the CIA were up to. Which wasn't all that much without the generous cooperation of the Iranian military. The CIA arrived with a big transport plane and a big suitcase full of cash to bribe the few remaining Iranian officers thinking the Soviet Union was the way to go politically. The rest was Miller Time. Edited January 16, 2016 by DogOnPorch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Operation Ajax was to America as Eve's apple was to original sin. It's been a non-stop descent into Hell ever since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Meh....just Cold War skulduggery. Sure beats a 5mt air-burst over Tehran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Probably warrants one over Washington. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Probably warrants one over Washington. That was the general worry back then. You should know. You're plenty old enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted January 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 It appears that Obama's peace initiatives in the Middle East are paying dividends. Iran has done what it promised and the UN has now lifted sanctions: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2016/01/iaea-iran-complied-nuclear-deal-160116205507774.html The Middle East would be a little bit safer - if - Netanyahu stopped persecuting the minority Palestinians; http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/01/death-humiliation-tale-palestinian-village-160114060814807.html When America dials down the tension in the Middle East, Israel then cranks it up again. Time for Canada to wash its hands of Israel and join the line of nations looking for new and productive trade with Iran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 And I am curious as to whether you can back up your claims.... It is a known fact that the saudi supported talibans are no friends of Iran. Iraq and Afganistan are the two areas where Iran and US cooperated as both Saddam and taliban were arch enemies of Iran then. KABUL—When Abdullah, a Taliban commander in central Afghanistan, needs more rifles and ammunition, he turns to the same people who pay his $580-a-month salary: his Iranian sponsors. “Iran supplies us with whatever we need,” he said. http://www.wsj.com/articles/iran-backs-taliban-with-cash-and-arms-1434065528 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 (edited) Sorry that your only understanding of Israel is that some people equate it only with Jews. It is a sovereign and democratic nation and you should not sell it short. You obviously have a preconceived attitude towards Iran and the authenticity of your "curiosity of my motivation" is as strong as your tolerance of different genders, races and religions. I don't sell it short. I just wonder why some people hate it, people who clearly don't care about human rights violations when they praise Iran. Perhaps if you read that extensive reference and would still have some questions about Iran that you might rephrase your questions, post them again and I will attempt to answer them. Wikipedia? Seriously? Okay, how come you admire Iran so much, when it tortures and murders people, executes children, and promotes terrorism and civil war throughout the middle east? Iran is deeply involved in fighting to save Syria's brutal strongman. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/revolutionary-guard-fatalities-reflect-irans-deep-involvement-in-syria/article27601224/ Iran working to destabilize Jordan http://english.alarabiya.net/en/views/news/middle-east/2015/07/07/Does-Iran-want-a-destabilized-Jordan-.html Iran working to ship missiles to Hezbollah http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Iran-trying-to-move-Yakhont-missiles-and-SA-22-Air-Defense-Systems-to-Hezbollah-412754 Iran arming Shiite militias in Iraq http://www.businessinsider.com/iran-is-building-a-force-in-iraq-that-baghdad-cant-control-2015-7 Iran arming Yemen rebels http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-wants-to-block-iran-from-arming-yemens-houthi-rebels-1428868461 And yet, somehow, it's ISRAEL which is destabilizing the Middle East, and we should throw our arms around Iran instead... Edited January 17, 2016 by Argus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 KABUL—When Abdullah, a Taliban commander in central Afghanistan, needs more rifles and ammunition, he turns to the same people who pay his $580-a-month salary: his Iranian sponsors. “Iran supplies us with whatever we need,” he said. http://www.wsj.com/articles/iran-backs-taliban-with-cash-and-arms-1434065528 You know the trouble with people like you is that they will always go out of their way to knock down Iran no matter what.... You have taken an artcle out of context to show that Iran helped and financed taliban but have diificulty understanding that Iran was in a WAR woth taliban back then.... Army Guy was right about you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 I don't sell it short. I just wonder why some people hate it, people who clearly don't care about human rights violations when they praise Iran. Wikipedia? Seriously? Okay, how come you admire Iran so much, when it tortures and murders people, executes children, and promotes terrorism and civil war throughout the middle east? Iran is deeply involved in fighting to save Syria's brutal strongman. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/revolutionary-guard-fatalities-reflect-irans-deep-involvement-in-syria/article27601224/ Iran working to destabilize Jordan http://english.alarabiya.net/en/views/news/middle-east/2015/07/07/Does-Iran-want-a-destabilized-Jordan-.html Iran working to ship missiles to Hezbollah http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Iran-trying-to-move-Yakhont-missiles-and-SA-22-Air-Defense-Systems-to-Hezbollah-412754 Iran arming Shiite militias in Iraq http://www.businessinsider.com/iran-is-building-a-force-in-iraq-that-baghdad-cant-control-2015-7 Iran arming Yemen rebels http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-wants-to-block-iran-from-arming-yemens-houthi-rebels-1428868461 And yet, somehow, it's ISRAEL which is destabilizing the Middle East, and we should throw our arms around Iran instead... Jerusalem post really!?!?!? Since when are they going to write a news avbout Iran that is not biased.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 (edited) Jerusalem post really!?!?!? Since when are they going to write a news about Iran that is not biased....? Edited January 17, 2016 by kactus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 The US has announced that Iran has reached it's goals set to it by the US and IAEA in which the US will unfreeze hundreds of millions of dollars that Iran has in foreign nations. Appeasement or is this a step forward? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msj Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 (edited) Um, when deals are negotiated it means both sides have to do things. It would make sense for frozen assets that are owned by Iran/Iranians to be released in return for, oh I don't know, maybe the reduction in Iran's ability to make a nuke. This is how diplomacy works. Alternatively, the US could spend $1 trillion in a war, have thousands dead and injured, kill millions of Iranians but hey they could keep those frozen assets, the world can deal with the economic consequences of high oil prices, and Iran would definitely not get a nuke for a very long time. Of course, such an action would likely lead to even more terrorist attacks that would kill more westerners than any nuke would do should Iran ever get one. Thank gawd for Obama and this deal. Edited January 17, 2016 by msj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 Best thank Allah. Iran has already violated the treaty...President Obama is now trying to PUT SANCTIONS ON various 'companies and individuals involved'. I think we've been here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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