DogOnPorch Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 Gee...just like I said. Bribes... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
kactus Posted June 17, 2016 Report Posted June 17, 2016 Iran was the key to Middle East peace and as history shows we took that key away. The Iranian revolution that was led at the first stages by the left came about in response to a Shaw that Americans (and the British) installed with a coup against a guy that was elected in a process that was at least as democratic as ours. Our stupidity and greed brought about a regime 100 times worse. This S is on us. And we are still up to the same old shenanigans. I've been told it's "realpolitik" and I might as well put our higher aspirations on the back-burner. Heaven forbid that old arc of history should drop off any of the "establishment" as it bends so gently. Quote
Rue Posted June 17, 2016 Report Posted June 17, 2016 You are the one who is being judgmental about my nationality....Duh! On the other hand you claim you are canadian with "no care for Israel" yet.... No bottom line is you refuse to take responsibility for the following words where you were judgemental and tried to slur a poster for supporting Israel when you come on this forum in each and every post to support Iran. Here are your words: "Bottom line...Point is you want to discredit every nation just because they have adapted Islam and want islam completely removed from the Middle East, since you see this as a threat to Israel. Enquiring minds like to know....What business has a Canadian citizen living miles away from Middle East (as you claim) got with Israel?" Since you have established the point of your response is to insult and slur and suppose you know what Dogon theporch's agenda is I can do the same with you and stat: Bottom line is you seek to discredit every Jew, every Israeli and every nation or individual that does not support radical Islam, the state of Iran's fasciost policies and you want to completely remove the Jewish nation of Israel from existing since you see it as a threat to Iran and your interpretation of Islam. This mind doesn't need to know why you support Iran, support radical Islam, Islamic terrorism. Its obvious and Dogonzeeporch called you out on it and now I use your very words in reverse on you. For someone who accuses others of insulting you or being judgemental you engage in the exact things you accuse others of. Bottom line Iran is not the key to anything peaceful. It is with Saudi Arabia the top financier of world radical Muslim terrorism. It wants Israel wiped out for being Jewish and it sees the non Shiite world as its enemy. It is a country held captive by religious morons who live centuries past, detest gays, women, any progressive thought or ideology. You support a fascist state. Quote
Rue Posted June 17, 2016 Report Posted June 17, 2016 You are. Discuss Iran...since you don't get banned for being off-topic and insulting. Yes interesting. Back from exile if I stated the above I would be sent back to Elba again you know. Quote
Topaz Posted June 20, 2016 Report Posted June 20, 2016 Question to anyone......what is it going to take to end this war that NATO and the Middle-East have going? What's the cause and who is benefiting from it? I've heard that the US isn't doing enough against ISIS, true? Are u tired of all these wars, its gone on too long. Will the ME end up like Japan in WW2 to end it? Quote
GostHacked Posted June 20, 2016 Report Posted June 20, 2016 http://www.cbsnews.com/news/iran-biggest-terrorist-plot-capital-tehran-isis-takfiri-sunni-shiite/ Iran claims they stopped a huge terror plot. So, who are the terrorists?? Quote
Rue Posted June 21, 2016 Report Posted June 21, 2016 http://www.cbsnews.com/news/iran-biggest-terrorist-plot-capital-tehran-isis-takfiri-sunni-shiite/ Iran claims they stopped a huge terror plot. So, who are the terrorists?? Really? Are you that easily confused? Quote
Rue Posted June 21, 2016 Report Posted June 21, 2016 Question to anyone......what is it going to take to end this war that NATO and the Middle-East have going? What's the cause and who is benefiting from it? I've heard that the US isn't doing enough against ISIS, true? Are u tired of all these wars, its gone on too long. Will the ME end up like Japan in WW2 to end it? Not that you noticed but Russia, Saudi Arabia, ISIS, Iran are not members of NATO. Quote
GostHacked Posted June 23, 2016 Report Posted June 23, 2016 Really? Are you that easily confused? Apparently I am, so that is why I have experts like you and DoP to tell me what I should really be thinking. Quote
Big Guy Posted June 23, 2016 Author Report Posted June 23, 2016 I support Canada maintaining ties and trading with Russia so I guess the political pundits say that I love Putin. I support Canada maintaining ties and trading with China so I guess the political pundits say I love China. I support Canada opening ties with North Korea so I guess political pundits say I love North Korea. I support Canada maintaining ties and trading with the EU, USA, Turkey ... so I guess political pundits say I love EU, USA, Turkey .... I support Canada maintaining ties and trading with any nation which is beneficial to Canada. Looks like maybe those political pundits are confused. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Charles Anthony Posted June 24, 2016 Report Posted June 24, 2016 Folks, Please avoid personal attacks. Quote We do not have time for a meeting of the flat earth society. << Où sont mes amis ? Ils sont ici, ils sont ici... >>
PIK Posted June 24, 2016 Report Posted June 24, 2016 Question to anyone......what is it going to take to end this war that NATO and the Middle-East have going? What's the cause and who is benefiting from it? I've heard that the US isn't doing enough against ISIS, true? Are u tired of all these wars, its gone on too long. Will the ME end up like Japan in WW2 to end it? When Islam grows up and rewrites the Koran. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
CITIZEN_2015 Posted June 24, 2016 Report Posted June 24, 2016 (edited) I support Canada maintaining ties and trading with Russia so I guess the political pundits say that I love Putin. I support Canada maintaining ties and trading with China so I guess the political pundits say I love China. I support Canada opening ties with North Korea so I guess political pundits say I love North Korea. I support Canada maintaining ties and trading with the EU, USA, Turkey ... so I guess political pundits say I love EU, USA, Turkey .... I support Canada maintaining ties and trading with any nation which is beneficial to Canada. Looks like maybe those political pundits are confused. Yes trade would benefit Canada and Canadians but the question is AT WHAT COST??. Edited July 22, 2016 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
jbg Posted June 28, 2016 Report Posted June 28, 2016 Question to anyone......what is it going to take to end this war that NATO and the Middle-East have going? What's the cause and who is benefiting from it? I've heard that the US isn't doing enough against ISIS, true? Are u tired of all these wars, its gone on too long. Will the ME end up like Japan in WW2 to end it? When Islam grows up and rewrites the Koran. Not needed. Depends more on how groups use the holy texts, not what's in them. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
kactus Posted June 28, 2016 Report Posted June 28, 2016 Not needed. Depends more on how groups use the holy texts, not what's in them. All the holy books were subject to interpretation. The Old testament was no exception. Neither is Koran... It is the movement that sets groups aside from the rest of the society. Quote
Rue Posted July 1, 2016 Report Posted July 1, 2016 Apparently I am, so that is why I have experts like you and DoP to tell me what I should really be thinking. I express my opinions no differently than you do on this board and I could care less what you should think. My point was and remains for you to pretend to be confused about Iran's terrorist financing and its role in world wide terrorism and in the instability and civil war against Sunnis only belittles and makes a mockery of your words. Quote
Rue Posted July 1, 2016 Report Posted July 1, 2016 I support Canada maintaining ties and trading with Russia so I guess the political pundits say that I love Putin. I support Canada maintaining ties and trading with China so I guess the political pundits say I love China. I support Canada opening ties with North Korea so I guess political pundits say I love North Korea. I support Canada maintaining ties and trading with the EU, USA, Turkey ... so I guess political pundits say I love EU, USA, Turkey .... I support Canada maintaining ties and trading with any nation which is beneficial to Canada. Looks like maybe those political pundits are confused. This thread is not about you, Quote
Big Guy Posted July 2, 2016 Author Report Posted July 2, 2016 This thread is not about you, No, it is about my views on the importance of Iran in the Middle East. That is why I started it. Thank you for caring. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
GostHacked Posted July 3, 2016 Report Posted July 3, 2016 I express my opinions no differently than you do on this board and I could care less what you should think. My point was and remains for you to pretend to be confused about Iran's terrorist financing and its role in world wide terrorism and in the instability and civil war against Sunnis only belittles and makes a mockery of your words. I've called out both sides, which have bigger backers. Iran and Saudi Arabia are being used by the US/NATO and Russia. Turkey is also being used, it's more complicated more than we know. Another attack in Iraq leaves close to 100 dead. But no one gives a shit about that if it does not help their rhetoric. Quote
Big Guy Posted August 13, 2016 Author Report Posted August 13, 2016 Iran continues to gain influence in the Middle East: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/08/iran-turkey-agree-cooperate-syria-160812141119888.html It now looks that there will be no solution to these wars without the direct participation on a political level by Iran. Israel is losing any control of events and Canada should be looking to Iran for an economic and military ally of the future in the Middle East. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
DogOnPorch Posted December 6, 2016 Report Posted December 6, 2016 kactus: These are some facts that you can deal with or not: ---The Iranian Army hated the Soviets. The USSR had invaded Iran during WW2, humiliating the Iranian Army and shipping many off to Soviet Gulags for the duration of WW2. The UK invaded from the south, stopping Stalin from taking the oil fields. ---Stalin installed the Shah in 1941 after ousting his pro-Nazi father in the invasion. ---In 1946, the Communist Tudeh Party connived with the USSR to attempt to bring Iran under Soviet control...the UN's very first crisis. ---Mossadeq used the support of the Tudeh Party to bring himself to power in the election. Couldn't have done it without them. ---Stalin had just died...the power struggle in the Kremlin was ongoing as the Coup approached. Mossadeq was courting the potential successors as were many Third World leaders at the time. ---Nationalizing foreign assets is another term for theft. 'Nationalizing' Western assets and then playing footsies with the Soviet Union was pretty-much cruisin' for a bruisin' in the Cold War environment of 1953. ---The CIA's actual on-the-ground involvement was more in the form of providing cash to bribe the remaining Iranian Army officers not yet on-board with the Coup. They also provided a large cargo aircraft to move the Shah around and prevent Mossadeq's police from arresting him. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted December 6, 2016 Report Posted December 6, 2016 Plus...one should mention the Persian Corridor when discussing Iran and US involvement. The USA built every highway, railway and airport in Iran during WW2...of which the basic infrastructure is still in use. Paid for by US War Bonds. That's going to influence a few thoughts over at yon State Dept and Pentagon to view Mossadeq as an ungrateful SOB... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Altai Posted December 6, 2016 Report Posted December 6, 2016 Its sick to claim Iran is the key for ME peace, for a country which is murdered about 500.000 civilians until now together Syrian Army. Quote "You cant ask people about their belief, its none of your business, its between them and their God but you have to ask them whether or not they need something or they have a problem to be solved." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror"We are not intended to conquer someone's lands but we want to conquer hearts." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror
kactus Posted December 6, 2016 Report Posted December 6, 2016 (edited) Deal with this... 17 hours ago, DogOnPorch said: Uhhhh....it's a tad deeper than that...speaking of fake news. Oh yes....We are all aware of fake news...But at least some of us are seeking the truth instead of repeating the same regurgitated cr@p spewed all over here... History tells much about the future. It was just a matter of time after 60 years to reveal the truth behind the 1953 coup. This is a beautiful quote: Quote "In a time of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act" By George Orwell And damn right he was.... Let' see.... Documents Provide New Details on Mosaddeq Overthrow and Its Aftermath National Security Archive Calls for Release of Remaining Classified Record National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 435 Posted – August 19, 2013 Quote Washington, D.C., August 19, 2013 – Marking the sixtieth anniversary of the overthrow of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddeq, the National Security Archive is today posting recently declassified CIA documents on the United States' role in the controversial operation. American and British involvement in Mosaddeq's ouster has long been public knowledge, but today's posting includes what is believed to be the CIA's first formal acknowledgement that the agency helped to plan and execute the coup. http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB435/ And here's is more... Declassified documents describe in detail how US – with British help – engineered coup against Mohammad Mosaddeq Quote Document 35: FCO, Meeting Record, "Iran: Policy Review," December 20, 1978 Source : British National Archives, FCO 8/3351, File No. NB P 011/1 (Part A), Title "Internal Political Situation in Iran" British Foreign Secretary David Owen chairs this FCO meeting on the unfolding crisis in Iran. It offers a window into London's assessment of the revolution and British concerns for the future (including giving "highest priority to getting paid for our major outstanding debts"). The document also shows that not everyone at the FCO believed significant harm would necessarily come to British interests from the FRUS revelations. Although he is speaking about events in 1978, I.T.M. Lucas' comment could apply just as forcefully to the impact of disclosing London's actions in 1953: "t was commonly known in [the Iranian] Government who the British were talking to, and there was nothing we could do to disabuse public opinion of its notions about the British role in Iran." (p. 2) .... British documents show how senior officials in the 1970s tried to stop Washington from releasing documents that would be "very embarrassing" to the UK. Official papers in the UK remain secret, even though accounts of Britain's role in the coup are widespread. In 2009 the former foreign secretary Jack Straw publicly referred to many British "interferences" in 20th-century Iranian affairs. On Monday the Foreign Office said it could neither confirm nor deny Britain's involvement in the coup. The previously classified US documents include telegrams from Kermit Roosevelt, the senior CIA officer on the ground in Iran during the coup. Others, including a draft in-house CIA history by Scott Kock titled Zendebad, Shah! (Viva, Shah!), say that according to Monty Woodhouse, MI6's station chief in Tehran at the time, Britain needed US support for a coup. Eden agreed. "Woodhouse took his words as tantamount to permission to pursue the idea" with the US, Kock wrote. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/19/cia-admits-role-1953-iranian-coup And yet more evidence... Declassified Documents Reveal CIA Role In 1953 Iranian Coup Quote The Central Intelligence Agency was behind the overthrow of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh in 1953. It's been an open secret for decades, but last week, The George Washington University's National Security Archive released newly declassified documents proving it. Orchestrating the Iranian coup d'état was a first for the CIA and would serve as the template for future Cold War covert operations worldwide. ... Mossadegh "believed that Iran's main problem at that time was that it was a country basically ruled by foreign empires," Iranian filmmaker Maziar Bahari tells Weekends on All Things Considered host Jacki Lyden. So, after less than a week in office, on May 1, 1951, Mossadegh decided to nationalize the British-run Anglo-Iranian Oil Company. http://www.npr.org/2013/09/01/217976304/declassified-documents-reveal-cia-role-in-1953-iranian-coup An excellent article also a good read about the communist Tudeh party. Ironically their members were Iranian jews, spies and workers union members... A short account of 1953 CoupOperation code-name: TP-AJAX Quote The operation, code-named TP-AJAX, was the blueprint for a succession of CIA plots to foment coups and destabilize governments during the cold war - including the agency's successful coup in Guatemala in 1954 and the disastrous Cuban intervention known as the Bay of Pigs in 1961. In more than one instance, such operations led to the same kind of long-term animosity toward the United States that occurred in Iran. The history says agency officers orchestrating the Iran coup worked directly with royalist Iranian military officers, handpicked the prime minister's replacement, sent a stream of envoys to bolster the shah's courage, directed a campaign of bombings by Iranians posing as members of the Communist Party, and planted articles and editorial cartoons in newspapers. But on the night set for Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddeq's overthrow, almost nothing went according to the meticulously drawn plans, the secret history says. In fact, CIA officials were poised to flee the country when several Iranian officers recruited by the agency, acting on their own, took command of a pro-shah demonstration in Tehran and seized the government. http://www.iranchamber.com/history/coup53/coup53p1.php CIA documents acknowledge its role in Iran's 1953 coup Quote The documents were obtained under the Freedom of Information Act by the National Security Archive, a non-governmental research institution based at George Washington University. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23762970 and... 10 U.S. Sanctioned Chemical Weapons Attacks Washington Doesn’t Want You To Talk About https://theoldspeakjournal.wordpress.com/tag/cia/ You were one of the people who always claimed that CIA had little involvement in 1953 coup and now shifting the goal post and your position. Edited 8 hours ago by kactus Quote Edit Edited December 6, 2016 by kactus Quote
DogOnPorch Posted December 6, 2016 Report Posted December 6, 2016 Quote You were one of the people who always claimed that CIA had little involvement in 1953 coup and now shifting the goal post and your position. I never said any such thing. The CIA's role was as stated by me: bribes and an aircraft. You're free to point out where in your various 'expert opinions' you've posted that the CIA didn't provide bribes and an aircraft. Also: the world was more than just Iran in 1953. I didn't exist in a vacuum. The Soviet Union was NEXT DOOR. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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