Jian Ghomeshi Fired from Q

cybercoma · October 29, 2014

The facts? He was fired by the CBC.

And on that particular point, CBC had no choice. If someone is accused of sexual assault in the workplace, as Jian was, and the CBC has any inkling that the accusations are true, they are absolutely required to let him go as part of their due diligence to foster a safe working environment for their employees. Just saying he wants to "hate fuck" another employee or slapping/cupping another employees ass is enough for them to fire him, if not enough for a formal criminal proceeding. Even if he thought he was joking, playing around, flirting, or whatever. It simply does not matter. As soon as an employee feels unsafe around him, he's screwed. This is a no-strikes firing situation. You don't get a second chance in these instances. He will never win his case. Edited October 29, 2014 by cybercoma

Black Dog · October 29, 2014

And on that particular point, CBC had no choice. If someone is accused of sexual assault in the workplace, as Jian was, and the CBC has any inkling that the accusations are true, they are absolutely required to let him go as part of their due diligence to foster a safe working environment for their employees.

It's been reported that a staffer did report an incident to CBC and her accusations were basically swept under the rug by the union and management.

He will never win his case.

I doubt he intends to. See this?

cybercoma · October 29, 2014

It's been reported that a staffer did report an incident to CBC and her accusations were basically swept under the rug by the union and management.

I doubt he intends to. See this?

I haven't been reading all the articles on it, so thanks for bringing me up to speed. I suspect that she probably threatened to take the situation further if CBC didn't address it. It is my belief that CBC was acting on the complaints of employees at the CBC and not the anonymous victims whom The Star reported about.

I didn't see that article, but it raises good points. Namely:

1)

Ghomeshi, like any litigant, can get anything he wishes onto the public record with absolute legal impunity. The arbitration process where his case must ultimately end up due to his unionized status, is entirely private.

2)

Who is going to risk being potentially sued for defamation by a party who has already assembled a team of lawyers and PR agents and showed a readiness to take on even the comparatively powerful CBC for $55-million?

And what do these two things amount to? Someone who has beaten women continuing to intimidate them as they try to stand up for themselves. It looks worse and worse for him with each passing day.

guyser · October 29, 2014

This is why I framed it as a he said/(she said + she said + she said) story in a post above and asked how many women does it take to be equal in weight to the word of one man.

It should be one vs one, but reality gets in the way.

I suppose his status gives him a tad more credibility than the women, most of his followers would have no inkling of what he is like behind closed doors.

We do in this society love to take the big peeople down,and for some that may mean to lie and cheat it through in order to get some cash.

On the other hand, I just have a hard time understanding how any woman, engaging in bdsm or not, can be quiet about a punch to the face upon the door opening. (if in fact thats entirely true, not sure)

I know and understand the reluctance of women to want to go thru a rape trial, what with the defence painting a horribly unflattering scenario of a womans prior life (thankfully thats more or less removed), the publicity etc.

But a punch to a face is just that, and would not likely make the news apart from Jian's being the celebrity involved. She may never be identified.

Just seems strange to me.

At least 3 women allegedly hit with one more allegedly harassed out of a job.

This part defies logic. Who the hell fires someone for the private actions of someone else not in your employ? I seriously hope she takes her own case higher and sues the ever living shit out of her employer.

I think most people, say, Elizabeth May for example,

I saw E May on some headline but didnt read any of it, What did May do?

TimG · October 29, 2014

No doubt I could be wrong and it is a vast conspiracy.

But my court of opinion thinks this is highly unlikely.

The case against the "conspiracy":

1) Jian is not suing the Star for libel - something he would be entitled to do if he knew he was completely innocent.

2) His "confession" acknowledged enough material facts to suggest that the claims are plausibly true and the only question is whether the women in question "consented" to the violence.

3) The Star does not have an ideological axe to grind against Jian. If anything, the Star is the last media outlet I would expect to go after Jian. This suggests that the Star editors are completely convinced that the claims are true.

4) It makes no sense for the CBC to fire Jian the way they did since he is one of their biggest ratings maker. They either have access to much more evidence or could be facing much bigger lawsuits from former employees.

BubberMiley · October 29, 2014

...a POS rag like the Star...

It's amazing how so many people are bitter at that paper just for telling them the truth.

Black Dog · October 29, 2014

Sounds like more women are starting to come forward. One in an interview on CBC's As it Happens and another tomorrow on the National.

TimG · October 29, 2014

Sounds like more women are starting to come forward. One in an interview on CBC's As it Happens and another tomorrow on the National.

I wonder if Jian is going find out that he should never pick a fight with people who buy (proverbial) ink by the barrel.

Black Dog · October 29, 2014

I wonder if Jian is going find out that he should never pick a fight with people who buy (proverbial) ink by the barrel.

It wasn't a problem for him before. It doesn't sound like these new revelations are actually new (as in recent).

Black Dog · October 29, 2014

The interview.

jacee · October 30, 2014

Sounds like more women are starting to come forward. One in an interview on CBC's As it Happens and another tomorrow on the National.

As it Happens:

/anonymous-woman-claims-she-was-hit-by-jian-ghomeshi-more-than-a-decade-ago

On their second date the woman went with Ghomeshi to his home. She says the radio host, grabbed my hair again, even harder, threw me on the ground and then started close-fist pounding me in the head repeatedly until my ears were ringing.

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There was no you know, we are going to engage in this type of play. We were fully clothed, we werent even having sex, we werent even at that point in our time together, our relationship. So there was nothing. It came out of no where.

I wonder how many dates Ghomeshi had?

This could be a long run.

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BubberMiley · October 30, 2014

It was well known that he is creepy with women but the punching is surprising.

msj · October 30, 2014

I saw E May on some headline but didnt read any of it, What did May do?

When she first saw Jian's FB posting she tweeted some kind of support for him.

Later she changed her mind and used the events of the past week, as she was "shaken up" as an excuse.

Wow: she would rather play the "emotional" card than admit that she changed her mind once more information came to light.

BubberMiley · October 30, 2014

There is no emotional card.

msj · October 30, 2014

There is no emotional card.

Perhaps poor phrasing on my part.

However, she did say: “So I guess one thing I’ve learned from this incident is: don’t reply to tweets, don’t stay on, don’t stay engaged on Twitter when you know that you’re feeling kind of emotional.” [emphasis mine]

jacee · October 30, 2014

/jian_ghomeshi_8_women_accuse_former_cbc_host_of_violence_sexual_abuse_or_harassment

What follows are seven more cases that, including DeCouteres allegations, bring to eight the total number of women who have come forward with stories of abuse. Of these eight stories, four were included in the Stars original story published on Monday. Four of the women have come forward this week.

And the plot sickens ...

Ghomeshi won't get a job ... or a date ... except willing ones, and I don't think that's his gig.

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cybercoma · October 30, 2014

8 women in total have come forward now, including the actress who played Lucy in Trailer Park Boys. Navigator is no longer representing him either.

Boges · October 30, 2014

Sounds like he was a serial offender and he committed some serious crimes. Yet these serious allegations won't see a criminal court of law, that's a shame.

I heard the quote today that allegations like these should be for a court of law, not the court of public opinion.

BubberMiley · October 30, 2014

I heard the quote today that allegations like these should be for a court of law, not the court of public opinion.

Would you feel the same way if he were dating your daughter?

Black Dog · October 30, 2014

Sounds like he was a serial offender and he committed some serious crimes. Yet these serious allegations won't see a criminal court of law, that's a shame.

I heard the quote today that allegations like these should be for a court of law, not the court of public opinion.

Allegations like this would be extremely difficult to prove in a court of law if it ever even got that far. So what do you get? "Oh see, he's innocent, the court said so." And off he goes to do it again.

Boges · October 30, 2014

Would you feel the same way if he were dating your daughter?

Not my quote. There are no easy answers here and no easy solutions either.

On one hand you have have a guy that's been made unemployable by largely anonymous allegations that can't be proven. On the other hand it appears you have a guy that used his celebrity to commit sexual assault.

I think most men would want to take matters into their own hands if their daughter came to them and said a man did what this guy is accused of doing.

Edited October 30, 2014 by Boges

BubberMiley · October 30, 2014

I think most men would want to take matters into their own hands if their daughter came to them and said a man did what this guy is accused of doing.

Still, I think most men would hope that people would call out such behaviour so that their daughters are duly warned. If a guy winds up unemployable because a large number of women, including an identified captain in the armed forces, make consistent, believable accounts of his abuse, I can live with that.

msj · October 30, 2014

On one hand you have have a guy that's been made unemployable by largely anonymous allegations that can't be proven. On the other hand it appears you have a guy that used his celebrity to commit sexual assault.

Awwwww, poor, poor Jian!

Beats and or harasses 8 women and now he has to find a job at Corner Gas.

Does this explain the sexist line: "public opinion is a b!tch?"

Boges · October 30, 2014

I don't have a whole lot of sympathy for Jian. Sounds like he's an absolute ass.

But is a precedent being set that a public figure can be taken down by an accusation? Or is this a unique case because of the weight of multiple women with similar accounts of his behaviour.

Mighty AC · October 30, 2014

This is an interesting article about the real reason Jian decided to file a lawsuit, despite knowing that as a unionized employee his case must go to arbitration. This case will be thrown out, but it allowed him to spin his version of the narrative in a public document, which protects him from any legal repercussions. Now, did his team of lawyers and publicists suggest this route to get out in front of the story and prevent the abuse allegations from gaining traction? Could be...

The real reasons Jian Ghomeshi is suing the CBC