Hal 9000 Posted November 2, 2014 Report Posted November 2, 2014 I guess when you get desperate you resort to insults. Well, you're questioning things that are completely obvious. Even the interviewers know to ask that question. Establishing consent is the main and actually the only question that matters. Why you are putting up a fight on this is mind boggling. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
On Guard for Thee Posted November 2, 2014 Report Posted November 2, 2014 Well, you're questioning things that are completely obvious. Even the interviewers know to ask that question. Establishing consent is the main and actually the only question that matters. Why you are putting up a fight on this is mind boggling. Like I said, don't become a lawyer. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted November 2, 2014 Report Posted November 2, 2014 Like I said, don't become a lawyer. Now, instead of rambling off, you should explain where i'm wrong. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
On Guard for Thee Posted November 2, 2014 Report Posted November 2, 2014 Now, instead of rambling off, you should explain where i'm wrong. I'm not really aware of what you are trying to say. In any case it seems quite apparent that the 9 women who have come forward so far were not engaged in consensual activity when it came to getting punched, strangled, etc. Your personal opinion of the trailer park girl seems frivolous at best and has no bearing. Quote
cybercoma Posted November 2, 2014 Report Posted November 2, 2014 It's also my opinion that Lucy Coutere is a space cadetActually, she's a Captain in the Royal Canadian Air Force. But sure. She's a "space cadet." Quote
Hal 9000 Posted November 2, 2014 Report Posted November 2, 2014 I'm not really aware of what you are trying to say. In any case it seems quite apparent that the 9 women who have come forward so far were not engaged in consensual activity when it came to getting punched, strangled, etc. Your personal opinion of the trailer park girl seems frivolous at best and has no bearing. Well, I mentioned some questions that a lawyer would ask, you disagreed vehemently. I said that establishing consent would be the first thing a lawyer will do, you disagreed again. Common sense prevailed and now you choose to change the topic. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Michael Hardner Posted November 2, 2014 Author Report Posted November 2, 2014 It's my opinion that Ghomeshi is a scumbag. Why? Because he shows complete disrespect for women (ones that want to have sex with him to boot). Opinion, followed by reason for that opinion. Checks out... You and WCR seem to allow me my opinion when I say that. Opinion, followed by reason. Again, checks out... It's also my opinion that Lucy Coutere is a space cadet, but for some reason, I'm not allowed an opinion on that. Opinion again, no reason given... What's your opinion on Jian Ghomeshi?...and why? Asking my opinion, AND a reason for my opinion. Makes sense. Opinions usually have reasons and you seem to want one for my opinion. (I haven't given my opinion, nor my reason. ) So.... why again do you think that person is crazy ? Is it how she speaks ? Something ? Anything ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted November 2, 2014 Author Report Posted November 2, 2014 Yes... and the discussion should continue without insults it should go without saying... Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
On Guard for Thee Posted November 2, 2014 Report Posted November 2, 2014 Well, I mentioned some questions that a lawyer would ask, you disagreed vehemently. I said that establishing consent would be the first thing a lawyer will do, you disagreed again. Common sense prevailed and now you choose to change the topic. I didn't so much disagree as point out how those questions would go nowhere. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted November 2, 2014 Report Posted November 2, 2014 I didn't so much disagree as point out how those questions would go nowhere. Of course they're relevant, depending on what you accusing or trying to prove. As of now, all we know is that Jian is a power tripper, misogynist who likes rough sex. If you're trying to accuse him of being a rapist or of sexual assault, that requires a whole new set of parameters - including force and consent...or lack there of. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
On Guard for Thee Posted November 2, 2014 Report Posted November 2, 2014 Of course they're relevant, depending on what you accusing or trying to prove. As of now, all we know is that Jian is a power tripper, misogynist who likes rough sex. If you're trying to accuse him of being a rapist or of sexual assault, that requires a whole new set of parameters - including force and consent...or lack there of. I am not accusing him of anything. I'll let the women who have been with him do that. So far there are 9. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted November 2, 2014 Report Posted November 2, 2014 ...and if he forced any one of those people, then he becomes more than a scumbag. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
On Guard for Thee Posted November 2, 2014 Report Posted November 2, 2014 ...and if he forced any one of those people, then he becomes more than a scumbag. It won't surprise me if criminal charges are forthcoming. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted November 2, 2014 Report Posted November 2, 2014 Fair enough, but what do you do if you're a prosecutor and neither of your 2 witnesses (so far) ever told him to stop...and in fact continued on to having sex with the guy? Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
On Guard for Thee Posted November 2, 2014 Report Posted November 2, 2014 Fair enough, but what do you do if you're a prosecutor and neither of your 2 witnesses (so far) ever told him to stop...and in fact continued on to having sex with the guy? I see the reports that say 2 didn't tell him to stop, but I didn't see where they stayed on to have sex. So far it's just his civil suit but it may turn into more. Other women have filed police reports. Charges could come from that. Of course like anyone, he deserves his day in court. Quote
Big Guy Posted November 2, 2014 Report Posted November 2, 2014 You experiment close to the edge and its easy to go over. I do not think this guy had too much respect for women. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Topaz Posted November 2, 2014 Report Posted November 2, 2014 Since everyone on the Hill has their meaning of "terrorist" would this guy be know as a sexual terrorist? Quote
ReeferMadness Posted November 2, 2014 Report Posted November 2, 2014 If someone gets punched in the street, do you ask them if they objected to it when they press charges? Your statements here are ludicrous. You certainly might. And as objectionable as some of HAL's statements might be, your line of questioning seems naive and highlights the problem with our system of criminal law. Our criminal legal system (euphemistically referred to as a "justice system") seems to be premised on there being a victim and a perpetrator. In real life, sometimes that holds true. However, much of the time, as my mother used to tell me, "it takes two to tango". Consider a practical example. I am out with my brother. I say something he takes offense to and he hits me. Now, I might have a variety of reactions. I could be angry with my brother but not so angry that I want the police to become involved and him to get a criminal record. Or I could shrug it off at the time (rationalizing that maybe I deserved it) and later decide that even if I did say something offensive, it didn't justify him hitting me. Or, I could react immediately in anger, going to the police and reconsider later, thinking my comments were really over the top. Consider another example. I've known people (men, hopped up on alcohol or just testosterone) who made a game out of giving one another a "charley horse" by hitting one in the shoulder or thigh. Now, most of the time, these are fairly harmless but it is possible to cause serious injury. In this case, if someone was injured in this fashion, it would be perfectly reasonable to ask if one person objected when he was hit. In the real world, context is everything. So, how does this apply to the Ghomeshi case? Since I wasn't there, I have no idea. And, realistically, neither do any of the legions of people who've come to the defence of either the accused or the accusers. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ReeferMadness Posted November 2, 2014 Report Posted November 2, 2014 It won't surprise me if criminal charges are forthcoming. I think it's a done deal. There have already been 2 trials in the media. In the first, Ghomeshi portrayed himself as the victim and was acquitted due to lack of evidence. In the second, women went public, which made it much more difficult for Ghomeshi's supporters to dismiss the allegations. Ghomeshi quickly went from victim to villain and has become the public face of the "rape culture". We're now witnessing (metaphorically of course) a public hanging. Now that the court of public opinion has rendered a final verdict, there is nothing left for the court of law but to confirm the decision and apply a sentence. The only question remaining is how long Ghomeshi's legal team can draw out the proceedings. Their strategy will be to draw things out as long as possible to allow the public get bored and move on to something else before sentence is passed. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
WestCoastRunner Posted November 2, 2014 Report Posted November 2, 2014 I will expect that ghomeshi will head south of the border if he is still legally able to. His career is over in Canada. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Michael Hardner Posted November 2, 2014 Author Report Posted November 2, 2014 I hesitate to ask ... but do any of the women on here feel that the reaction from this scandal has taught Canadians anything ? Does this episode bring the hope of anything positive, or are you cynical about what has happened ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
jacee Posted November 2, 2014 Report Posted November 2, 2014 I will expect that ghomeshi will head south of the border if he is still legally able to. His career is over in Canada. I heard he's in LA. May be in Mexico by now. . Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted November 2, 2014 Report Posted November 2, 2014 I am feeling quite positive about this incident. Many former female guests have come out supporting the victims which says a lot. These are highly educated and informed guests. The victims are gathering support due to social media. We can't ignore the impact that social media has had on this issue. Quite frankly I don't see support for ghomeshi from his male supporters on social media. And perhaps he longer has any. It wil be interesting to see what evidence shows up, what with smart phones etc. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
WestCoastRunner Posted November 2, 2014 Report Posted November 2, 2014 I bet he headed south as soon as he could. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
jacee Posted November 2, 2014 Report Posted November 2, 2014 I hesitate to ask ... but do any of the women on here feel that the reaction from this scandal has taught Canadians anything ? Does this episode bring the hope of anything positive, or are you cynical about what has happened ? Going public via the media or social media is a powerful tool against powerful perps. The strength of going public is that it gives strength to other victims to come forward too. I think it's a good lesson to serial perps in positions of power. . Quote
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