Jian Ghomeshi Fired from Q

guyser · December 2, 2014

That CBC special really bothered me in many ways.

For one, I dont think they should have aired, let alone produced anything on this story. To me they shouold shut their collective mouths and wait for this Gomeshi thing to run its course.

It appeared to me that they were trying hard to frame the story even in the face of some hard hitting questions (which I thought were good but still...not to be aired)

There is a court case pending, criminally, and there is certain to be a civil case of some kind against someone. ( I know thats vague, but who is going to sue whom is still in the air)

Apart from some digressions and or he said she said, there was nothing to suggest that CBC exec's knew much about the Gomeshi dealings and nothing had gone public prior to his showing the same execs the video which sunk him.

Argus · December 3, 2014

Apart from some digressions and or he said she said, there was nothing to suggest that CBC exec's knew much about the Gomeshi dealings

Other than the CBC employees who complained about his behaviour, you mean?

Yes, the CBC ran a very in-depth investigation, which somehow managed to miss talking to anyone who actually worked on his show.

On Guard for Thee · December 3, 2014

That CBC special really bothered me in many ways.

For one, I dont think they should have aired, let alone produced anything on this story. To me they shouold shut their collective mouths and wait for this Gomeshi thing to run its course.

It appeared to me that they were trying hard to frame the story even in the face of some hard hitting questions (which I thought were good but still...not to be aired)

There is a court case pending, criminally, and there is certain to be a civil case of some kind against someone. ( I know thats vague, but who is going to sue whom is still in the air)

Apart from some digressions and or he said she said, there was nothing to suggest that CBC exec's knew much about the Gomeshi dealings and nothing had gone public prior to his showing the same execs the video which sunk him.

I would have to agree I think CBC jumped the gun a bit on this one. Let's let he, and the accusers who have launched formal complaints against him, have their day in court to tell their stories. The specials can come later, as I'm sure they will. I bet you he is scratching his head wondering what was I thinking by showing his boss that video.

On Guard for Thee · December 3, 2014

Obviously this state broadcaster was/is unable to investigate the matter objectively. A separate, independent investigation should be conducted.

...The CBC’s own The Fifth Estate reported last week that the CBC executives did not ask a single Q employee a single question in its investigation into Ghomeshi.

Been done some time ago. I know you like to snipe at the CBC but try to get the facts straight first.

guyser · December 3, 2014

Other than the CBC employees who complained about his behaviour, you mean?

I get that, but as we are seeing it appears the complaints were not specific to sexual abuse and also appear to have gone to the wrong people and/or not loud enough or followed up on.

jacee · December 5, 2014

/men-need-education-on-sexual-misconduct

And if you read (eta) some of () the comments you can see how true that is.

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Edited December 5, 2014 by jacee

bush_cheney2004 · December 6, 2014

Does the CBC have a written sexual harassment and/or hostile work environment policy and reporting procedure? Is annual training completed by ALL employees and documented for HR records? If not, why not....this issue has only been around forever. Claiming that victims didn't scream loud enough to the right members of management is the lamest kind of half ass excuse we can expect from incompetent management.

Edited December 6, 2014 by bush_cheney2004

On Guard for Thee · December 6, 2014

This from he who constantly drones on that the CBC is government controlled?

Michael Hardner · December 6, 2014

That's beside the point. Even the CIA has to have a harassment policy.

Even if you love CBC radio, as I do, it seems likely that management was at best in competent and at worse negligent in this case.

cybercoma · December 6, 2014

At worst complicit, like the Jerry Sandusky case. If the CBC execs knew in June and did actively covered it up, they were worse than negligent.

Edited December 6, 2014 by cybercoma

Michael Hardner · December 6, 2014

At worst complicit, like the Jerry Sandusky case. If the CBC execs knew in June and did actively covered it up, they were worse than negligent.

Complicit - a much better categorization for this.

GostHacked · December 6, 2014

At worst complicit, like the Jerry Sandusky case. If the CBC execs knew in June and did actively covered it up, they were worse than negligent.

I watched the 5th Estate's report on the 'Unmaking of JG' last night with a friend. Both of us came to that conclusion that there is something more going on than just Jian. A culture of keeping things hush hush. The number of ladies coming forth show that this is not an isolated incident. But this also shows the corporate culture within CBC. How much did they know and when? And why was it not acted on at that time?

But if this all turns out to be bull and these ladies agreed to the 'aggressive sex play', then what is the story? One of the ladies said she would not have sex with him, but then agreed to something else in which she was not proud of as she broke down and cried and said she was disgusted with herself.

Overall the 5th Estates report was good but did not quite go after the bigger bait. But that might be all part of the cover up hush hush culture that could be present in the CBC. Make it look like they are getting to the root of the problem, but stopping short of who really is to blame.

I did not think this story would get this big and this messed up. But we are seeing much of this come out. Not just the entertainment sector, (music, film, stage ect) but within governments and political organizations. Seems to be a lot of corruption bubbling up all over the place.

bush_cheney2004 · December 7, 2014

It's all coming out now....the CBC has been rotting from within for a long time. This is typical of a state broadcaster.

CBC is a sick animal and has been so for a long time. It’s not just the Jian Ghomeshi affair that has exposed as much. The nasty internal backlash against Fifth Estate broadcaster Linden MacIntyre, who had dared to remark upon the corp.’s celebrity culture, also showed it.

...The reasons for the rot are several, though the consequences of the wrong people hanging on cannot be underestimated. Witness the way that the former executive producer of Q, Arif Noorani, was neatly shunted aside rather than made to account for himself, as he may well do, though it is as likely that another person who perhaps should no longer be in the building is.

...The troubles at the CBC are compounded by a couple of other institutional tendencies — the deference, in a competitive marketplace, to celebrity, and, very Canadian in its essence, an inclination towards monopoly.

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2014/12/06/before_the_cbc_is_saved_there_must_be_catastrophe.html

On Guard for Thee · December 7, 2014

It's all coming out now....the CBC has been rotting from within for a long time. This is typical of a state broadcaster.

CBC is a sick animal and has been so for a long time. It’s not just the Jian Ghomeshi affair that has exposed as much. The nasty internal backlash against Fifth Estate broadcaster Linden MacIntyre, who had dared to remark upon the corp.’s celebrity culture, also showed it.

...The reasons for the rot are several, though the consequences of the wrong people hanging on cannot be underestimated. Witness the way that the former executive producer of Q, Arif Noorani, was neatly shunted aside rather than made to account for himself, as he may well do, though it is as likely that another person who perhaps should no longer be in the building is.

...The troubles at the CBC are compounded by a couple of other institutional tendencies — the deference, in a competitive marketplace, to celebrity, and, very Canadian in its essence, an inclination towards monopoly.

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2014/12/06/before_the_cbc_is_saved_there_must_be_catastrophe.html

And here I thought you had it all figured out that it was completely controlled by the government.

GostHacked · December 8, 2014

It's all coming out now....the CBC has been rotting from within for a long time. This is typical of a state broadcaster.

No different than the mouthpieces for US political parties. GOP/Fox. CNN/Dem. Essentially state sponsored broadcasters.

Edited December 8, 2014 by GostHacked

cybercoma · January 6, 2015

Two senior executives have been suspended in relation to the Jian Ghomeshi affair.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/cbc-disciplines-executives-who-managed-ghomeshi-file/article22300293/?click=sf_globefb

GostHacked · January 6, 2015

Two senior executives have been suspended in relation to the Jian Ghomeshi affair.

Based on the piece that the 5th Estate did on Ghomeshi, this is not much of a surprise. I was expecting it. Would it be safe to presume that more heads will roll besides these two?

Boges · January 6, 2015

I want to hear CBC lovers try to spin this. I thought they got rid of him as soon as they were sure what he had been doing. :lol:

Michael Hardner · January 6, 2015

I want to hear CBC lovers try to spin this. I thought they got rid of him as soon as they were sure what he had been doing.

Not to reduce the culpability of the organization, I didn't see anything indicating what they may have done wrong:

“As I’m sure you can also appreciate, we will not be making any further public comment about Todd or Chris or their leaves of absence at this time,” it reads.

“We cannot ignore the likelihood that this decision will provoke another round of media attention and speculation. I believe it’s especially important that we remain supportive of all our workplace colleagues where they may need it and resolute in our professionalism and dedication to the important work that we do here on behalf of Canadians. We recognize this is a difficult way to start off the year, but despite our current challenges, together we will get through this, and we do have a great future.”

Citing the broadcaster’s personnel policy, a CBC spokesperson refused to say whether the executives are being paid during their leaves.

cybercoma · January 8, 2015

Three more counts of sexual assault added this morning, according to headlines. LInk to the article was broken, so unconfirmed at the moment.

Edit: Here's a link to the G&M article now http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/jian-ghomeshi-appears-in-toronto-court/article22360096/?click=sf_globefb

Edited January 8, 2015 by cybercoma

jacee · January 8, 2015

The bigger they are, the harder they fall.

This guy's going down for a loooooong time.

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Boges · February 11, 2015

I wonder if he'll be inline to go see 50 Shades of Grey. :wacko:

guyser · February 11, 2015

I wonder if he'll be inline to go see 50 Shades of Grey.

Why pay to see it?

He may as well wait and play the 50 Shades of Grey Prison Version .

bush_cheney2004 · April 17, 2015

CBC inquiry concludes the obvious...rotting from the head down:

"It is our conclusion that CBC management condoned this behaviour."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/cbc-inquiry-concludes-management-mishandled-jian-ghomeshi-1.3035574

On Guard for Thee · April 17, 2015

CBC inquiry concludes the obvious...rotting from the head down:

"It is our conclusion that CBC management condoned this behaviour."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/cbc-inquiry-concludes-management-mishandled-jian-ghomeshi-1.3035574

Perhaps you may finally wake up to the fact CBC is not controlled by the government. On second thought I suppose that would be a bit of a stretch. Carry on.