bush_cheney2004 Posted November 7, 2014 Report Posted November 7, 2014 Lots of other winners too, but that wouldn't work for the usual empty class warfare arguments. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted November 7, 2014 Report Posted November 7, 2014 Lots of other winners too, but that wouldn't work for the usual empty class warfare arguments. Hey just think, if Bush was in power he could take the US into another bank meltdown. Quote
Big Guy Posted November 7, 2014 Report Posted November 7, 2014 During the campaign, there was much reference to Obamacare and how it was a mistake. I cannot see the Republicans trying to turn it back now. I cannot recollect an instance where a government removed a universal social program from the American public. I think the Republicans will touch that issue. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 7, 2014 Report Posted November 7, 2014 The U.S. government has removed universal social programs in the past, an example being the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act of 1996, which eliminated welfare aid to many families with dependent children in favor of work incentives. President Clinton signed the bill into law which was known as "welfare reform" and was part of the Republican Congress' "Contract with America". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Responsibility_and_Work_Opportunity_Act Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted November 7, 2014 Report Posted November 7, 2014 During the campaign, there was much reference to Obamacare and how it was a mistake. I cannot see the Republicans trying to turn it back now. I cannot recollect an instance where a government removed a universal social program from the American public. I think the Republicans will touch that issue. I suspect this will be one issue where Obama will use his veto power if congress tries to repeal AHA. It's becoming too popular. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted November 7, 2014 Report Posted November 7, 2014 I suspect this will be one issue where Obama will use his veto power if congress tries to repeal AHA. It's becoming too popular. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html The closest it has come is 5 points less of the disapproval factor. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Derek 2.0 Posted November 8, 2014 Report Posted November 8, 2014 I suspect this will be one issue where Obama will use his veto power if congress tries to repeal AHA. It's becoming too popular. Not if its defunded.........that being said, I'd expect bill after bill removing protions Obamacare......... Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted November 8, 2014 Report Posted November 8, 2014 Not if its defunded.........that being said, I'd expect bill after bill removing protions Obamacare......... You just watch old Obama with that veto pen. Quote
sharkman Posted November 8, 2014 Report Posted November 8, 2014 He can't fund anything new without Congress approval, or am I missing something? Quote
Topaz Posted November 8, 2014 Report Posted November 8, 2014 He can't fund anything new without Congress approval, or am I missing something? Today, news said that Congress gave the Prez 4 Billion for the war and they have already gone through the first Billion, so that 5 Billion and counting. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted November 9, 2014 Report Posted November 9, 2014 You just watch old Obama with that veto pen. Are you suggesting his "veto pen" can be used to craft and pass a budget? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted November 9, 2014 Report Posted November 9, 2014 Are you suggesting his "veto pen" can be used to craft and pass a budget? Nope. He hasn't had that power since about 1974. He can though send bills back to congress, again, and again, and again. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted November 9, 2014 Report Posted November 9, 2014 Nope. He hasn't had that power since about 1974. He can though send bills back to congress, again, and again, and again. Had what power since 1974? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted November 9, 2014 Report Posted November 9, 2014 Had what power since 1974? To use executive power to pass a budget. Quote
kimmy Posted November 9, 2014 Report Posted November 9, 2014 I hear that the new crop in Congress includes Blood Moon kooks, anti-gay paranoids, Agenda 21 conspiracy theorists, people who are convinced that ISIS is invading the US through Mexico, and a dude who is convinced that Hilary Clinton is the Anti-Christ. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
kimmy Posted November 9, 2014 Report Posted November 9, 2014 Naw, I think Kimmy pretty well covered all the winners. What exactly is "empty class warfare"? It's when people complain about things like pro-rich policies instead of complaining about poor-people voting for Democrats. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
On Guard for Thee Posted November 9, 2014 Report Posted November 9, 2014 I hear that the new crop in Congress includes Blood Moon kooks, anti-gay paranoids, Agenda 21 conspiracy theorists, people who are convinced that ISIS is invading the US through Mexico, and a dude who is convinced that Hilary Clinton is the Anti-Christ. -k Well then, at least it seems they are a diverse bunch of kooks. I would add that aside from one's assessment of Obama's performance to date, you'd have to admit he inherited the "agenda from hell" and he hasn't had a lot of breaks since. I bet in a way he's looking forward to the end of the gongshow. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 9, 2014 Report Posted November 9, 2014 (edited) President Obama wasted the first two years of his presidency expending political capital on the Affordable Care Act. He kept in place most of the policies of the previous administration for domestic and foreign issues, and in some cases doubled down (e.g. drone strikes in Pakistan, deportation of illegals, and tax cuts (now permanent)). That's why his base has abandoned him in job performance polls and his party suffered by association in the mid term election. Edited November 9, 2014 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
sharkman Posted November 9, 2014 Report Posted November 9, 2014 I hear that the new crop in Congress includes Blood Moon kooks, anti-gay paranoids, Agenda 21 conspiracy theorists, people who are convinced that ISIS is invading the US through Mexico, and a dude who is convinced that Hilary Clinton is the Anti-Christ. -k And that's just the first row!(ba-DUM ching) Quote
sharkman Posted November 9, 2014 Report Posted November 9, 2014 President Obama wasted the first two years of his presidency expending political capital on the Affordable Care Act. He kept in place most of the policies of the previous administration for domestic and foreign issues, and in some cases doubled down (e.g. drone strikes in Pakistan, deportation of illegals, and tax cuts (now permanent)). That's why his base has abandoned him in job performance polls and his party suffered by association in the mid term election. Post of the day. He's a lame duck walking and has been for some time, and now that Putin knows he can have his way with Ukraine, what's to stop China or anybody else from taking liberties where they see fit? Obama's red line and back pedalling has made the US into the weird uncle the family politely ignores at family functions. Quote
cybercoma Posted November 9, 2014 Report Posted November 9, 2014 I hear that the new crop in Congress includes Blood Moon kooks, anti-gay paranoids, Agenda 21 conspiracy theorists, people who are convinced that ISIS is invading the US through Mexico, and a dude who is convinced that Hilary Clinton is the Anti-Christ. -k How does this even happen in a civilized society? It's inconceivable. Especially considering these people don't even hide their idiocy. Quote
Argus Posted November 9, 2014 Report Posted November 9, 2014 It's when people complain about things like pro-rich policies instead of complaining about poor-people voting for Democrats. -k There's no such thing as pro rich policies! Just because the Republicans keep trying to cut taxes on the rich, and inheritance taxes and corporate taxes while at the same time cutting pensions, welfare, sudent loans and unemployment that doesn't mean they're pro rich! I mean, how could you even think it did!? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 9, 2014 Report Posted November 9, 2014 (edited) How does this even happen in a civilized society? It's inconceivable. Especially considering these people don't even hide their idiocy. Billions of dollars in advertising? Gerrymandering to the point where basically ANYONE who's Republican will be elected, and politics which for a large part of the electorate particularly the Republican part consists almost entirely of God Guns and Gays. If you love God and guns and hate taxes, fags, and abortion, you can basically get elected in most Republican strongholds no matter how wacky your other views are. Cheat on your wife, beat your kids, steal from the government, commit arson, it really doesn't matter. These are whole communities which simply do not think like us. You know, there was a documentary on gays in Russia last night. Really wierd to look at. But the salient point was that, as the commentator says in showing one particular guy obsessed with getting gays or anyone sympathetic to them fired, his views are not considered extreme in Russia. Gays are widely despised and hated, period. If gangs beat them up, even kill them, well, the Russian man on the street will just shrug without a care. Pretty much serves thenm right, will be his view. Edited November 9, 2014 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 9, 2014 Report Posted November 9, 2014 Who knows...they might even elect a racist eugenicist and vote him as the greatest American ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Michael Hardner Posted November 9, 2014 Report Posted November 9, 2014 How does this even happen in a civilized society? It's inconceivable. Especially considering these people don't even hide their idiocy. There's a continuum of paranoia. This shall pass. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
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